Spiral Knights - Questions about Poison mechanics (as of 2016)

Questions about Poison mechanics (as of 2016)

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Sat, 06/18/2016 - 09:04

Neekkoth

I did a google search on this, but got on-topic-results only on fairly old threads and I don't know if what I read was patched/tweaked since then.

The wiki states Poison does damage mobs that are getting healed; some of the old threads state this is false and that it only prevents healing or that it only does weaken the healing effect.

I wasn't paying much attention the times I, in good faith, poisoned everything around a mender, but I can't really remember anything ever dying from it.

Which is it now?

Also the monsters attack is nearly halved, but how much (in approx. %) is its defense lowered (or rather my attack affected) by strong poison?

Sat, 06/18/2016 - 13:29

Bopp

yeah, wiki status pages are not great

Yeah, the wiki status pages aren't very good. Improving them has been a long-term project of mine, but I haven't had much time for the SK wiki in the past two years. Meanwhile, the single best resource for details such as percentages is this thread and its attached spreadsheet. My understanding is:

* A poisoned knight or monster cannot be healed. But it does not take damage from healing. (Whoever said that was probably thinking of cursed mender/silkwing healing.)

* A poisoned knight or monster has a defense debuff. That is, its armor is decreased, so that it loses more health from attacks.

* A poisoned knight or monster has an offense debuff, so it inflicts less damage.

Sun, 06/19/2016 - 11:59

Neometal

2,5/3 correct.

A poisoned monster WILL take damage if it is trying to heal, or get healed. Not much damage, but it's health will go down.

Easiest way to try it out is by using the maskeraith's quills on a damaged monster:
quills break whenever the target takes damage, and since the monster doesn't have full hp, a grem or wing will try to heal it, but since it will be taking damage (cuz it is obviously poisoned by the quills), the quills will start breaking.

That's why potentially you can clear the last part of arenas with a venom veiler only, the explosion will do a bit of dmg to them, so that the healers are trying to start their job, but instead will do dmg.

One of the most hillarious things is when a low hp poisoned gremlin tries to use a pill, but instead does a backflip. :D

Poisoned monsters and knights do about 50% less dmg, and take about 7% more dmg from attacks.

Sun, 06/19/2016 - 09:17

Bopp

thanks

Thanks for correcting me, Neometal. Maybe I will try out my Venom Veiler later today, to verify what you've said.

Sun, 06/19/2016 - 11:59

Neometal

It's possible, but can take some time. Unless there are menders spamming the healing runes, the vv itself will be doing more dmg, if the monsters are near the center of the explosion. Hm, maybe not vs grems or wolvers... still, as long as the healers are trying to do their thing, and everything else is poisened, their hp will be going down.

Sun, 06/19/2016 - 16:10

Neekkoth

Thank you Bopp and Neometal

Thank you Bopp and Neometal for clarifying!

I'll edit the title for future reference.

Thu, 06/23/2016 - 14:51

Drischa

Poison increases the damage a monster takes, decreases the damage it deals, and causes any healing that is done to it to damage the monster.

The damage-instead-of-healing effect has been proven, here's a video of it being used in a strange way to kill oilers.

What's happening here is they are poisoning the oilers. Fire heals oilers, so they set the oilers on fire, and the healing effect damages the oilers because of the poison. I've seen it in action and it does work, although it's painfully slow. They do kill the oilers with the elemental damage from the bombs in the end though so it's not the best demonstration.

Fri, 06/24/2016 - 13:58

Neometal

That's a good one.

Yeah, the dmg from heals while the monsters are poisoned isn't too much, although menders' healing auras and silkwings which continously heal can boost that up.

Sat, 07/02/2016 - 13:37

Uberer-Alt

i thought this was common knowledge

you can wipe out big waves of minions in rjp when there are 2 silkwing around just by using 1 charge of obsidian edge and watching as the silkwings heal the other minions to death lol

Mon, 07/04/2016 - 07:48

Andrevus

Definitely happening.

One of my favorite pastimes in T3 arenas is to use the Obsidian Blade's charge to poison a bunch of enemies, then see their own gremlin healer deal the finishing blow with a whopping -330 healing. Poison definitely doesn't "just" negate the healing.Although i think it's variance dependent (Like maybe "weak" poison only negates healing, "moderate" posion gives debuff and "strong" poison (like obsi charges) reverses healing?)

Mon, 07/04/2016 - 12:12

#10

Timoria

blep

@Andrevus: All strengths of Poison will cause mobs to take damage when healed. Venom Veilor works well on arenas for this reason. The look of betrayal when a mender offs an unsuspecting monster is part of the experience.

Tue, 07/05/2016 - 05:10

#11

Neometal

This thread tl;dr: if you have poison, menders and silkwings are your bbfs.

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