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Wed, 07/27/2016 - 08:55
Cronus's picture
Cronus
Game Master

Discussion thread for the most recent release. Notes are can be found here:

http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/115616

Wed, 07/27/2016 - 09:04
#1
Bonjourhippo's picture
Bonjourhippo
Can we discuss the hype

Can we discuss the hype around the mystery update first?

Wed, 07/27/2016 - 09:18
#2
Uberer-Alt's picture
Uberer-Alt
interesting...

so cronus creates a discussion thread before we know what its about. cant be just bug fixes, has to be something new even if its something small. they are also calling it 7/27 "release" like they are releasing something, not just "patch". my hype is rising as im typing this :o

Wed, 07/27/2016 - 09:18
#3
Nebrium's picture
Nebrium
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Interesting...

Wed, 07/27/2016 - 09:21
#4
Cronus's picture
Cronus
Game Master
There's no big mystery. Just

There's no big mystery. Just creating a discussion thread for an update that's already announced in game. This way a player doesn't feel as if s/he needs to create one. Getting my ducks in a row since there's only one of me... unless Hera has perfected her cloning technology.

Wed, 07/27/2016 - 09:23
#5
Overlady's picture
Overlady
Hype ?!

New Stuff?

Need alot CE just in case !

=^-^=

Wed, 07/27/2016 - 09:23
#6
Mrdonbdc's picture
Mrdonbdc
Interesting...

Cloning... Dolly event¿

Wed, 07/27/2016 - 09:37
#7
Heroia's picture
Heroia
I demand the proof!

What if this is only a clone of Cronus. It could be an evil twin, set to mislead and run us astray. Only a clone would deny he is a clone!

Wed, 07/27/2016 - 09:43
#8
Cronus's picture
Cronus
Game Master
What if this is only a clone

@Heroia - "What if this is only a clone of Cronus. It could be an evil twin, set to mislead and run us astray. Only a clone would deny he is a clone!"

If I were a clone, would I even know it? Obviously the real evil mastermind is the clone maker... Hera. For all we know there is a basement full of Cronuses just waiting to be deployed.

Wed, 07/27/2016 - 09:47
#9
Nebrium's picture
Nebrium
...

I retract my first comment lol.

Wed, 07/27/2016 - 10:02
#10
Theirillusion's picture
Theirillusion

If it's actually new content... :o

Wed, 07/27/2016 - 10:06
#11
Mrdonbdc's picture
Mrdonbdc
Box

Where is the option for purchase 5 boxes?

Nice new option, Guild Halls

Wed, 07/27/2016 - 10:05
#12
Fangel's picture
Fangel
oh gosh

For all we know there is a basement full of Cronus' just waiting to be deployed.

Is it bad that I just imagined Hera on Mr. Burns' body saying "release the cronuses" and then a bunch of yesmen come storming out of a cage towards the nearest player, crowbar in hand?

I think I may be inspiring something...

Wed, 07/27/2016 - 10:05
#13
Ragga-Prince's picture
Ragga-Prince
Chess?

Chess?

Wed, 07/27/2016 - 10:06
#14
Corporal-Shade's picture
Corporal-Shade
Hello Darkness, my Old Friend.

WOOOOOOO Cronus clones confirmed by 'Cronus'! Good job Hera and co!

Wed, 07/27/2016 - 10:07
#15
Ragga-Prince's picture
Ragga-Prince
Also, someone get me some

Also, someone get me some pictures of the Extra Blast Furnace and Cooling Chamber Themes.

Wed, 07/27/2016 - 10:11
#16
Feranox's picture
Feranox
It is new content for the

It is new content for the guildhall. With chess stuff. Btw does this mean I get my Lionheart and exhalted stuff now?

Wed, 07/27/2016 - 10:20
#17
Bonjourhippo's picture
Bonjourhippo
Well this looks very

Well this looks very promising, congratulations and thanks to Grey Havens!

Wed, 07/27/2016 - 10:27
#18
Nebrium's picture
Nebrium
...

Increase the character count for MOTD and implement a guild bulletin board for those who were granted permission from a GM.

Wed, 07/27/2016 - 10:32
#19
Eternity-Terminal's picture
Eternity-Terminal
Carbon based error!

It is new content for the guildhall. With chess stuff. Btw does this mean I get my Lionheart and exhalted stuff now?

Why would you want another Radiant sink?

Also, chess? Cool.

Wed, 07/27/2016 - 12:04
#20
Petater's picture
Petater

Please enlighten me to how reducing upkeep costs heavily and placing a promo box for energy is supposed to keep CE prices down?

I don't think the GMs are aware that it's not that they aren't paywalling enough, but rather not enough people on to have the usual p2w validate p2w'ing anymore. Give f2p a reason to log in, so people feel there's an actual community to spend around.

Here's a quick list of things that'd revive the community so p2w feel validating in p2w'ing again:
- reskin/make an LD map
- LD lobby
- Login reward
- Increase rad drops
- Make shadowplay worthwhile to farm
- Give vanguards a reason to play snarby/jelly again.
- TF2 Hat for cheevo
- Bombhead guaranteed for bribes weekends
- Free UV tickets/costume if you reach top 10 in LD ranking.

Wed, 07/27/2016 - 11:34
#21
Ogygus's picture
Ogygus
Remove "Go to Guild Hall"

Remove "Go to Guild Hall" button and put "Guild Halls" button to vacant place.

Wed, 07/27/2016 - 10:58
#22
Nebrium's picture
Nebrium
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thread needs moar *cough* suggestions *cough*

Wed, 07/27/2016 - 10:59
#23
Sweet-Hope's picture
Sweet-Hope

So... this guild hall update brings some sort of prize like the first Guild hall update with those trophies and weapons?? so i have a reason to log in? or it just that?

Wed, 07/27/2016 - 11:11
#24
Fangel's picture
Fangel
ooo

A chessboard you say?

Time to put on spiral warden costumes and become the knight!
Heh...

Wed, 07/27/2016 - 11:17
#25
Petater's picture
Petater
@ Sweet-Hope

It's furniture in pay boxes, boxes for energy in depo, and for some reason a "chess" room in halls. Chess room is probably so people who are OCD with "collecting them all" go overboard with buying the pay boxes.

Wed, 07/27/2016 - 11:20
#26
Sweet-Hope's picture
Sweet-Hope
@ Petater

So... no LionHeart skin version for Valiance and Nitronome? oh well, no reason to log in then...

Wed, 07/27/2016 - 11:23
#27
Ragga-Prince's picture
Ragga-Prince
Does the Bond operate like an

Does the Bond operate like an actual Bond? Like does it earn you money over time?

Wed, 07/27/2016 - 11:26
#28
Cronus's picture
Cronus
Game Master
It's furniture in pay boxes,

@Petater "It's furniture in pay boxes, boxes for energy in depo, and for some reason a "chess" room in halls. Chess room is probably so people who are OCD with "collecting them all" go overboard with buying the pay boxes."

This is not correct. Chess minis are not available in the Guild Hall Prize Box. They are only available in the Chess Mini Box which is purchased at the Supply Depot for energy. Full release notes including the other changes/additions to guild halls and other fixes can be seen here:

http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/115616

@Ragga-President "Does the Bond operate like an actual Bond? Like does it earn you money over time?"

No. The bond is a ticket that can be deposited into your Guild Hall for the crown value on the ticket.

@Fangel "A chessboard you say? Time to put on spiral warden costumes and become the knight! Heh..."

I tried to do this, but kept wandering off and forgetting where I should stand. ROOKie mistake...

Wed, 07/27/2016 - 11:45
#29
Petater's picture
Petater
@cronus

Thanks for correcting the specifics, although I refer to boxes for energy as pay boxes as well, as that's what they effectively are to most players in order to obtain them. Problem is, making the chess pieces available *only* for energy is worse than my initial assumption...

re: might make ce go to 20kcr.

Wed, 07/27/2016 - 12:14
#30
Xaurian's picture
Xaurian

Advice for those giving suggestions in an update thread: Go to Suggestions. Also remove your tinfoil hats.

And now for my thoughts on the update:
Chess? Sweet. Too bad the prize boxes apparently don't contain a chess minigame. Oh well, we can pretend play chess in the guildhall.

Self-correcting edit: Actually, we can play chess in SK, but you need the full set. Neat. RNG will be a problem though. :(

Wed, 07/27/2016 - 12:16
#31
Fangel's picture
Fangel
!

So I just learned that the rooks are gun puppies. New goal acquired.

And that's a pretty simple mistake to fix! Some advice I got from our friends down under - all you gotta do is keep your spot in CHECK, MATE.

Wed, 07/27/2016 - 12:26
#32
Petater's picture
Petater
@Gatrnerd

It's not tinfoil to assume a company does something to sustain profit to stay in business. The analysis above is what I assume they're doing versus what's going on in a macroeconomic aspect that they might not be seeing. Yes, though, that suggestion should be in a suggestion thread, and has, multiple times. I posted it here for visibility so the GMs can do an analysis of what's been said, as it may not be apparent what the underlying issue is to them. This update is alright, but issue I bring up may be higher priority.

Wed, 07/27/2016 - 12:33
#33
Cronus's picture
Cronus
Game Master
@Fangel So I just learned

@Fangel So I just learned that the rooks are gun puppies.

More importantly, did you see the pawns? The only way to improve them would be if they were lime...

Wed, 07/27/2016 - 12:34
#34
Sciger's picture
Sciger

Just mentioning, I went into my guild hall (Solo Art) to see if I can find and check out the divine theme but it isn't listed among the themes. I found the new rain environments without a problem but divine seems to be missing.

Wed, 07/27/2016 - 12:44
#35
Bonjourhippo's picture
Bonjourhippo
Real quick here I'll assume

Real quick here I'll assume "defence" for the decision taken of introducing a box charged in CE simply stating the fact that as of right now, rare items are featured on Auction House that will ensure a craving for crown in due time. Let's remind ourselves too that these auctions have been extremely frequent (and beneficial) and always act as a great counter measure against possible price gauging. As far as CE, CR and events go, the recent Slime event was a massive crown sink; no harm balancing things a bit with what honestly is a very mild CE sink.
Perhaps not sinking CE on useless rarities like some people do (to resell on Auction House for profit) would be a more efficient way of keeping prices down, I don't know, bind rarities bought from Supply Depot perhaps?
xoxo

Wed, 07/27/2016 - 13:58
#36
Fangel's picture
Fangel
welp.

Endless costume promos, people complain.

Infrequent promos of various types with scattered content updates, tweaks, and bugfixes... People complain.

Funny how things can change yet they don't. I like the update, and looking forwards for things to come. Now if you'll excuse me, I need to go grapple a gun puppy and attempt to charm it into being my own little love puppy...
omgwhatifwegetlovepuppyrookreskinsonvalentinesday

EDIT FOR MY LOVELY LIME 'LITE: yes of course I saw those fantastic pieces. While there aren't any in a glorious green hue, we can just pretend the white ones are likened with luscious limestone.

Wed, 07/27/2016 - 12:51
#37
Drischa's picture
Drischa

Has there been consideration to merge prize box and energy purchases again?

It would mean there would be more energy about and keep energy prices lower, keeping people about a bit more since things will become a lot more affordable for the average f2p player. Plus purchasers get more value for their money.

Why did that change ever come about anyway?

Wed, 07/27/2016 - 12:52
#38
Bonjourhippo's picture
Bonjourhippo
A king Vanaduke pawn would be

A king Vanaduke pawn would be appropriate; perhaps a Jelly King also; OR an Ice QUEEN. How about that? OMG GH why don't you do thi.gs corr..tly th!s pr0mo suX y u no g.. b.t.er at .oing y..r j.. *inaudible muttering*

Wed, 07/27/2016 - 13:01
#39
Petater's picture
Petater
@Bonjourhippo

That's assuming the slots actually got people to buy CE with real money to buy cr, rather than become cr poor. Binding rarities so f2p can't buy 1 at a time will also slow progress in addition to the excess walling that's it's been at for the past two years. Most are impatient and buy 1 to compliment the 2 they found in clockworks. Griefing the marketplace by making them bound may not be wise.

@Drischa

Ever been to a supermarket where they make the portions they sell you smaller while keeping the price the same?

Wed, 07/27/2016 - 13:27
#40
Cronus's picture
Cronus
Game Master
@Sciger "Just mentioning, I

@Sciger "Just mentioning, I went into my guild hall (Solo Art) to see if I can find and check out the divine theme but it isn't listed among the themes. I found the new rain environments without a problem but divine seems to be missing."

You probably need to expand your hall. I've installed one in the Grey Havens hall and it seems to be working.

Wed, 07/27/2016 - 13:42
#41
Midnight-Dj's picture
Midnight-Dj
:/

New Floor Monitors for all your knightly dance club needs.

Wow, now I can finally do my job, as a DJ.

Wed, 07/27/2016 - 14:11
#42
Fangel's picture
Fangel
oh

So I let curiosity get the best of me and installed the divine theme.

Apparently it's core themed and it's both pretty and reaaaally clashes with most furniture, at least on low graphics.

Operation de-clash guild hall is go.

(also with this theme is the perfect opportunity for core/swarm themed furniture. pls o pls)

Wed, 07/27/2016 - 15:03
#43
Enclave-Xz's picture
Enclave-Xz

Nice new update. Anything guild related is always welcome in my eyes.

@Pet: "Please enlighten me to how reducing upkeep costs heavily and placing a promo box for energy is supposed to keep CE prices down?"

Where does it say the goal of the update was to lower E prices? Ah yes it didnt.

Wed, 07/27/2016 - 15:07
#44
Skiino's picture
Skiino
@Petater

"- Free UV tickets/costume if you reach top 10 in LD ranking."
If you mean the bad coliseum leadboard, meh... It's not even a true leadboard, but yea would be a good idea anyway.

Wed, 07/27/2016 - 15:09
#45
Fangel's picture
Fangel
cronus you smarmy waffle

Invading the guild hall and trapping me in our bar was not what I meant by swarm/core themed furniture.

I'm calling Hera to help me escape while I drown my inability to climb over the counters with all this beer back here...

Wed, 07/27/2016 - 15:13
#46
Petater's picture
Petater
@ Enclave-Xz

It's directed to the people who forget about the 11 months out of the year it goes up with no ah sales/casino.

Wed, 07/27/2016 - 16:54
#47
Fehzors-Forum-Alt's picture
Fehzors-Forum-Alt

The behind the scenes changes to the libraries sound quite promising. The actual guild hall update itself is fine as well, though far less exciting to me with the exception of guild bonds- a much needed and highly appreciated feature. It's unrealistic to expect newer or most older knights for that matter to pay up so that your guild can buy stuff and most newer GMs are unprepared to fund an entire guild hall. You put guild bonds in the slime casino, or on prize wheels at the end of levels, or anywhere really and players can donate and help their guild without bankrupting themselves.

Wed, 07/27/2016 - 23:39
#48
Ariave's picture
Ariave
I LOVE GREY HAVENS

THANK YOU FOR NOT MAKING THE GAME (insert bad word)

First update I actually want to drown my money into the game for! The chess pieces is brilliant, keep up the good work.

Can we please get some lockdown updates too? xD

Thu, 07/28/2016 - 00:41
#49
Fangel's picture
Fangel
ooo

So I just played around with some chess pieces.

When you place a piece down on top of another piece, you will always pick up the piece you would have "taken"' next interaction. This means you can take a piece by putting your piece down on top of it, and then attacking the same spot to pick up the old piece. It works great and I love the forethought for making sure these pieces all work!
Pretty sure it works like a queue. Whatever pieces were there first get picked up first. I tested this out by putting a bunch of things on top of each other. That being said, you can stack seemingly infinite amounts on top of each other, so if you have a snazzy chess game with multiple boards then you can share a "loot" pile.

Additionally I got my gun puppy. Now to just get several more. <3

Thu, 07/28/2016 - 03:44
#50
Enclave-Xz's picture
Enclave-Xz

The secret OCD inside me hates that "Chess Rooms" aren't centered properly.

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