Well if we buy energy with crowns, how will we buy our recipies and the amount needed to also make the gear itself?

I hear this complaint a lot so I decided to do an experiment today. With 100 Mist Energy, I went through the Jelly King stratum 3 times; out of that spelunking, I managed an average of 6000 Crowns... So let's make that a nice 18000 for the sake of argument. From that 18000, I bought 300 energy (lowering it to 8500 given current market price) and then purchased and learned a popular 2/3* recipe (lowering crowns to 3000).

I crafted those items (which cost 250 energy and roughly another 2000 for crafting costs, lowering Crowns to 1000) and sold it at the auction house for 20,000 crowns. From there, I bought another 200 energy (lowering Crowns to 13,000) and crafted them again (lowering crowns to 11,000). I then sold that item for another 20,000 Crowns. Although, on occasion, I had to buy materials so there was an occasional loss.

I repeated this for an hour and a half. In that time I managed to make 360,230 crowns. Going by current market price (3500 [at the time of purchase] for 100 CE x 100 = 350,000) I made, roughly, 10,000 Crystal Energy. In 90 minutes.

So... Yeah. There's really no reason to eliminate Energy from crafting. If anything, as I showed above, getting rid of it would be a terrible decision and would cause severe imbalance.

Hindsight edit: Then again, I've been playing this game since the beta days so I know it quite well. For the same reason I couldn't get why others were complaining about CE being at 7,000 when it was at 20,000 in Beta, perhaps I've played too long to understand the plight the OP is referring to. Hm... Food for thought.

You should look at the Auction House more. Pre-made weapon/armor prices have been through the roof lately.

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seriously 20k ? oO I didn't start at the very first prelaunching event, but I was there at the prelaunching w-e, and the ce were between 800 and 1300 cr. sure it was too low for people to buy ce with money, but to make it rise up to 8k and still having so many people saying it's fine ... u_u' the purpose of doing jk again and again is to get enough cr and go up ( or rather down lol ), not to be able to do it again with just enough cr to buy the ce.
not every one is able or willing to do like you and that's why you were able to sell, otherwise the premade wouldn't even sell at 1k and every newbie out there would go find the recipes ( for the sake of people who play like you, don't go tell everyone how you do that XD )

The difference is that grinding is actually fun in this game. Even when I do the Jelly King for a whole day I still enjoy playing it constantly. On some games you grind by tapping a rock with some pickaxe(~Runescape) and you get bored so quickly that you quit right away.

I crafted those items (which cost 250 energy and roughly another 2000 for crafting costs, lowering Crowns to 1000) and sold it at the auction house for 20,000 crowns. From there, I bought another 200 energy (lowering Crowns to 13,000) and crafted them again (lowering crowns to 11,000). I then sold that item for another 20,000 Crowns. Although, on occasion, I had to buy materials so there was an occasional loss.

I repeated this for an hour and a half. In that time I managed to make 360,230 crowns. Going by current market price (3500 [at the time of purchase] for 100 CE x 100 = 350,000) I made, roughly, 10,000 Crystal Energy. In 90 minutes.

Ok, based on your figures, you were making about 10k profit per item sold, so you must have sold 36 items in your experiement. Almost no one buys 36 items total in all their play time, therefore it is impossible for everyone to sell 36 items, much less in 90 minutes. (See the pigeonhole principle)

The only reason you can do it now is the huge influx of new players, a large percentage of which use dollars to buy stuff, and a much smaller percentage of experienced players. Even if this large player imbalance continued, such high profit niches tend to close up fairly quickly. The three lines I used to make that much profit off of are now all flooded with almost at-loss items.

The same goes for reselling recipes and even materials, the only reason there is significant profit is that the vast majority of players don't even try to make a profit that way.

Spiral Knights is not grinding. its too fun to be grinding.

I love 'grinding' AKA 'playing the game' and everyone else in this thread except you seems to share this common bond. If you don't like the game, kick rocks, because there are plenty of people who do like it as it is. You're welcome to your opinion but don't be surprised when people call you out on it because frankly, its quite ignorant.

I don't have a problem is it. Because even with all the energy you have to buy its still a hell of a lot cheaper than buying the gear directly, and can be done faster. You do need materials of course but its my experience that by the time you buy the recipe you already have most of the materials you need.

I am SICK AND TIRED OF PEOPLE COMPLAINING ABOUT ENERGY! I AM DONE! JUST STOP PLAYING! PROBLEM SOLVED! GOODBYE! now we are all happy- wait- here comes another worthless noob who doesnt understand that THE ENERGY SYSTEM WORKS! ive been trying to keep a level head but...

EDIT: hmmm i already posted didnt i? the fact that this forum is still going is what annoys me.