Wow only 177 steps left to be top 5

Mental disorder at its finest

Give me a higher rank

Why does nobody know anyone from T2 lockdown. T3 was so unbalanced.

-Utrex btw, played from like 2012-2013 in T2 LD before it died thanks to hammer

You do realize, these aren't accurate and the tiered list varies based off of favoritism, inaccuracy, mixed generations of players (yearly), and the person's view of skill... right?

Thrill for example wasn’t even competitively in the game unless it was Jemps GvG, he usually just trolled in rld post prime n then quit. Vouches for icegill to be higher when ice couldn’t handle trades with most people, he was basically a GF farmer n carried that way, but his rushes were shit n got stunlocked by most zerker strikers. Thrill wasn’t even in the game past mid 2013 n a lot of player data never even became known to him since he was barely active.

Son of Hades sucked his whole SK career but I used to hype him up for arrow keys. He was better than average but still nowhere near top competitive level, nor did he play competitively when the game was active with top tier players. Dunno how he managed an opinion on me considering how often everyone brushed him off.

Tempas is actually a good player but overconfident in consideration of the better players he didn’t get to experience playing against. By the time Tempas was great, this game had been far dead.

& I dunno who the Rough buddy & Brendan guys are but those were the ones who mentioned a complaint on here. & as for those who usually complained about it in game, most of them started to acknowledge the standards and bases I had the more I talked about it for them to understand, n saw how placings were changed the better they learned to perform. So for the most part, at least they understand the list isn’t just random data.

1. Thrillhaus was a mix hybrid at most. He was good, but not compared to rest of the individuals you put in this list. He was competitive in his own guild (Aequitas), Dum Spiro, Lockdown Aces, and other guilds. He always played damn competitive everywhere he went -- there was no troll with this guy. You can tell when someone is trolling and when they aren't. He had strategy, mechanics, and plays, but he tried to play his best when he can. So telling us or even me that he "wasn't trying" is a lie, post or no prime. When you have a guild known for Polaris, poking you with AA, and max UV's, you will give 200%, not 50%. Thrill asked for more data on this post before and it will be said again, more data and you can state this as a fact. This is an opinion and based off who you know. He played during and before the new UI, he disappeared early in 2013. Most players in 2013 quit and to state a majority of them in your top 10 or even 20 even after they played LD for a year or two (2011 - 2013) and the rest who played 3+ shows your knowledge about LD.

2. Icegill was exactly, if not like Jumazo. Horrible rushes, but was still quick (reflexes/reaction) with brandishes and fausts. His position isn't fairly justified, but there is still more to him that made him a good player.

3. Son-Of-Hades? Lol. He was average, but he wasn't awful, compared to Mwacky, Azoldria, Yfke, Kattamoon, and Adrieken. Arrow keys make players look eye-shifted, but the players who made the illusion of arrows look scary or even remotely close to quick was Summus, Danielflame, and Skybrandon. He gave his opinion because he knows this is inaccurate as hell. Even if he is average, he knows what he is saying.

3.2 Speaking of Son-Of-Hades being average or on "competitive" side of Lockdown, 2 players who did a major 360 is Epic-Legend-Knight (Communism-Works, Dranzerex, Xowy, Last-Incarnation) and Suddenswift (Kyoten, Remet, Rhipp, Aequil, Senskie, Prince-Royce). Let's start with Epic-Legend-Knight. I've seen this dude progress in Lockdown since 2012. He is the true definition of what you want from your list. From using Dusker Set (w/ Love Aura) + SF + Voltech as his main loadout in T2 LD, he was improving for months. His hard work paid off in 2016 and from there, he knew and could see the patterns in LD, unlike 100% of the people in the list. There is a reason this guy can (but not really) compete in a top 5 league with Exileddread, Sciasz, and whoever is close to those players skill-level. Look at ELK now. Put ELK in a match with tryhard Thrill and he'd get his booty eaten. Now Suddenswift. He was even spectacular -- Suddenswift (2012) was the worst LD player (T2) that I can think of other than Hillsboy that could barely touch or even play an offense or defense strat in a match. After Thrill quit and invited him (now changed to Kyoten (2013) to Aequitas, his prime years started to stellar. Kyoten was doing Exileddread numbers and so consistent that everyone, including other guilds wanted him and feared him. Haven't seen Suddenswift fight Exileddread, but when Exileddread gave his last in 2014, Kyo was literally bending LD players knees to their foreheads. You can't tell me this guy isn't top 10. Let alone in 2015 this guy hits 50k (Skolv set, BTB, GF, Arcana) w/ no AA, no deaths, and zero macros? Now tell me who WAS below average and was able to make a huge comeback? I know SOH was able to and any other player who managed to get better (who are now your "top 10").

4. Tempas is a smart player, not a just a good player. He knows how to make players like you and anyone in tier 8 and below look stupid. You didn't see his 1v1s? You didn't see how he managed to put stress on a guardian in a 1v1? Putting him in tier 3 is disrespectful as fuck. You wouldn't be able to 1v1 him again even if you got better yourself -- prime or not, lag or not, latency or not, invi frames or not -- you can't comepte with him nor can you place him in a low tier like that.

5. Those are trolls. Not sure if they exist in-game or not (can't log in SK since last year), but the majority are literally premature if not new to the scene. You played this in 2011 and you're able to manipulate and fabricate stories, data, "skill of definition", rankings, and even who is better than who. Try doing this to someone like Zainj? Or Theirillusion? What about Exileddread, Sciasz, Nalrayi, Vokster, or Thrillhaus? You think those players who cleaned your ass in-game (1v1's and RLD) would agree with you? Even with the amount of experience and knowledge they know about LD?

I'm not angry or anything, but this is horrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrible. Horrendous rankings post. It doesn't justify anything you've said so far and it never will. I'm not trying to convince you, but you could've done better Rebel.

- Nazarethh

"We can both justify only Exileddread and Sciasz are perfectly listed, even with 'analyzation'"

So if you can't justify the top 10, what would yours look like?

I'm willing to give input on mine and yours

Rebel-Ex: You're testing my knowledge on a whole lot of information my guy and it's a pain in the ass but I'll try elaborating and keeping it short...

Rebel-Ex: Everything but favoritism, there are inaccuracies tho. This is because the listing only uses information I was able to obtain through analyzation and habitual play. When it comes to saying my own “view of skill” is stupid to say honestly, it’s just base mechanics and the level they’re being shown.

Rebel-Ex: Lol funny part is how players can realize when somebody is playing worse or better than they used to but comparing skill levels amongst other players is egotistical XD now how do you determine skill if you can’t even discern what skill is ?

Rebel-Ex: - Player placements are measured by overall carry potential and mechanical ability stacked against other players of sizable caliber. Tier scaling are representative of exceptionality, prowess, and proficiency levels on technical aspects. Attributes considered do not strictly apply to 1v1 scenarios albeit said players are able to manage against the competition at an elevated scale.Technical aspects measured include: Strategic patterns decision making, unique variants, fighting speed, weapon fluency, frame-by-frame registers, zone control, dexterity, reflexes, aiming accuracy, awareness and adaptability.
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Oh, so back to what I wanted to type. I had to quote you so you know the inconsistencies. Anyways... well, yeah:

1 — You explained your reasoning on the notes, right? And where is your caution or disclaimer? Did I miss something? You didn't show any denial nor warning that this post is opinion-based.

2 — Azoldria (Rogue), made it very clear that she doesn't play Tier 3. Forgot you weren't present to see the conversation she had with her guildmates. Tier 2 was competitive more than Tier 3, but your favorites moved on from Tier 2 to permanently stay in Tier 3. Rarely did you see an Aequitas, Finesse (Apathy), Reign of Chaos, Knightmare, Echo of Silence, or The Jempire players in a tier 2 match. Oh, so Icegill, Plebbyy, Snarkey, Toyoti, Nitef, and Kattamoon played 100 tier 2 lockdown matches against Azoldria? None of them won? Even with the experience they had against her? Crazy, cause what I remember was she was exactly like Manlet that you saw in 2018 (and recent) — Fireburst Brandish, run, and Voltech Alchemer MK2 players. So what were the strategic patterns, weapon fluency, zone-control, aiming accuracy, and adaptability/awareness did she inherit from that playstyle? She gave you an ass beating when you were on Prolyphic? Oh really? Why is she under you in the list?

3 — Ah yes, the game mechanics that you so happen to have all the data on. You have better "cognitive-memory" than every GM in this game who can pull every lockdown footage that has been recorded since 2011 and now.

4 — 2 to 3 videos is enough evidence to see a players skill and the data/game mechanics that you found important to rank a player in/on your list. You didn't use it because you are self-centered and you have a big ego. You did this with Zainj, and you'll do it to those who are actually better than you.

5 — Do you though? Do you know everyone enough to know that this is inaccurate and needs a relisting? What year are we talking about? You typed 10-Year Lockdown Ranking [Tiered], right? So hopefully it should be from 2011-2021, correct? Gameplay from what you remember. And one more, what year again? Like Azoldria is better than Epic-Legend-Knight if they played in what year? Azoldria (2012-2014) vs. Epic-Legend-Knight (2017-2021)? Who would really get ran over in a match? How'd you decide to place that so inaccurately?
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1.1 — Maybe it's because Aequitas was his guild and he made it a priority to teach people the mechanics of using guns and not playing with them like you do in RLD. He learned from playing in tier 2, but he was top player then. Fought everyone in that list who didn't reach any of their primes yet. Same example I did with Azoldria and Epic-Legend-Knight. What year are you talking about and would it have made a difference if others reached their potential like I told you that they could've before when you first made this crap-fest post? Can Thrillhaus fight a player like Civax and Epic-Legend-Knight now if they did GvG today? Up-to-date vs. Past-date game-mechanics, what are you choosing and how are you choosing it to determine ones skill?

1.2 — Thrillhaus got more 30k's in matches with noobs with no potential than he did with the players that could probably handle him in a face-off (1v1 or opposite LD teams). His skill was recognized when Aequitas died and when the game stop giving updates. Go to his Steam page and look at all of his screenshots if you need to Rebel, I'll wait. Then come back here and tell me if Thrillhaus can do the same to players today if they played the same today in 2012-2013.

1.3 — He was brushed off by players who knew more than him (example Exileddread and Sciasz). He'd get brushed off today if he played with the players today if you want to mention game mechanics. It is what it is Rebel-Ex.

2. — Did you know that I already knew most of that information? And yet you positioned him lower than you? If he was fast and had a good of a great rush as you claim him to have, why is he under you and how were you as competitive and quick as him? Did you see Icegill's playstyle in 2018 (if not later) when he came back?

3 — By game-luck or just luck in general? He was a faster and better gunner version of Contri. Mwacky played like you, but a little cautious. Dude had no ASI, no weapon fluency, nor did he have fighting speed. Won Thrillhaus/Tmdals in GvG/RLD, or seperately — in your head? No chance, specially knowing both are aggressively quick and faster in fighting speed than they ASI-less player, is disrespect. Put some respect? Deoghee and Namewithnumbers under Mwacky... — really? You used AT on Prolyphic which made it easier for you to play Tier 2 with SF + Nightblade combo. You were better on Prolyphic (if that account was shared) than you were playing on Rebel-Ex... what did you expect? Azoldria was no problem, Dknightt and Skybrandon were... which makes sense. But Azoldria? Lmfao, how many times did you kiss her ass? Kattamoon played like a non-functional version of Darkcub. Tmdals was always good, but he was trash like you try to make him to be. Jemps died because game became boring and no one was interested in playing. Tubist was still a gunner when Adrieken was playing. What's funny is it took Tubist a few months to become a threat with swords before anyone can touch him (nowadays). Adrieken played the same, regardless of rusty-ness or not. No one remembers him because he quit the game in 2014-15 and wasn't a threat then or now. Fodow disappeared long ago after Promise launched and Draognuity was just getting better. Fodow had his time and moved on, no need to add these artificial sprinkles to the story. You even left someone who can probably fight Tmdals — Icycute. Yfke was an old player, lmfao. He had his time before Thrill and them became something already, which he became rusty over the years. Why mention him? He was already finished early or late 2012/2013. Danielflame twerked on you everyday in LD and you still couldn't do anything to him if he came back. You were not on his level then and I don't expect it now. You averaged 6-7k in LD when he was in a match with you (and I don't even like Danielflame). Summus wasn't cakewalk. Dude averaged 10k a game (with and without noobs in Tier 2).

3.2 — Honestly, I'm concerned for you more than I am for the players. #16? Lmfao? You played like a gigolo (not homophobic) with guns (which led you to die consistently in T3 matches). Moved exactly if not like a damn juggernaut. How you manage to place the players better than you under you? You were twerked on by Danielflame, yeeted by Mini-The-Monsta (the most hyper player in the game), and butt faced up and head down by Zainj (with him being a EU Arab + weird player).

4. Of course he was. But why so low of a ranking. He wasn't that good like he is now. He played in China before and managed to humble players over time. All that recognition all to put him in Tier 6 or 7 because his movements are basic (from an old post of yours). He wasn't recognized because he wasn't cocky. He humbled himself and others overtime which is why he is just as famous as Exileddread is in LD right now. ELK can literally compete with your top 5 and probably win with his toes on his keyboard. Kyoten still did a 360, still better and was able to compete with your top 5. He learned to hybrid efficiently over time, but he's top 5. Haven't seen him beat Exiled (nor watched), so he deserves a top 10.

5. You were never top 10. If you were people would mention you as much as you did for others (Thrillhaus, Vokster, Canozo, Nalrayi, Exileddread). Everyone under you has tossed you so many times. And that's not me being mean, it's the truth. People have seen your worse and your best Rebel. No need to make yourself more out there than you already have been — you've played this for 10-11 years and took a 2 year break, lmfao. You were everywhere — Scintz, Jxs-Ixi, Skylar-Grace, Skeptics, Prolyphic, etc. Everyone knows what you've done. Just make your list a bit more accurate and you won't be the meme you are today, lol.

— Now, I don't mind this long post nor yours, but everyone knows this is meme-material post. Just fix it if you want to. Not forcing you, just a feedback.

Keep the list, but remember 85% of this list is wrong.

- Nazarethh

1 - the player data is based off collected information, placements aren’t set in stone, just an in-depth deduction. Thought it’d be self suggestive

2 - Yes they did win battles, that’s why I mentioned “ Attributes considered do not strictly apply to 1v1 scenarios albeit said players are able to manage against the competition at an elevated scale.” and “ **Proficiency in listed attributes may increase within the tiers, this means skill variation is still in approximate level; however, there comes a significant skill gap (mostly speed and/or weapon fluency) between the bottom player of a tier to the group of players from the previous tier.” & that wasn’t Azoldria’s actual playstyle, that’s her tendencies for having fun not her tryhard. She was a good as zerker striker as Skybrandon with pure flourish. She’s under me on the list because Prolyphic wasn’t my top speed, and I’ve beaten Azoldria consistently at my actual tryhard playstyle.

3 - claims ELK knows 100% LD patterns, unthinkable to believe I can. I’ve been playing 10 years, I’m actually the player with the most player data.

4 - I did not use because they are inconsistent with their best form of gameplay, and there isn’t any recorded for most to be able to provide. Nothing to do with being self centered or ego. Stop claiming Zainj as competition lmao there was never anything relatively close to zainj and me.

5 - “
- Player placements are measured by overall carry potential and mechanical ability stacked against other players of sizable caliber.
- Tier scaling are representative of exceptionality, prowess, and proficiency levels on technical aspects.”

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1.1 - I’ve also trained multiple players :)) game mechanics have always been consistent, nothing about the game has changed. It all depends how well players can play. Thrillhaus went against far better players and multiple at the same time. I consider it ridiculous to suggest he wouldn’t be able to keep up with players just because they played a different year.

1.2 - the issue with screenshots is that it doesn’t show mechanical skill, they only measure damage. You can measure it against other players in the same match, but even then it wouldn’t be good use. Some people prefer to constantly fight, others prefer to constantly cap. Some times it’s easier to farm one team than the other. Etc.

1.3 - he was brushed off cuz of the lack of effort not because of gaps in skill.

2 - I played vs icegill often, t3 and t2. Full HP stunlocks he was unable to move in both tiers.

3 - Shock alchemer OP XD. I nerf myself with AT cuz my speed and reflexes are slower since I dont have to focus on proper aim therefore lazier gameplay. I had perfect consistent aim with SF + nightblade without AT. Mwacky used to be the 2nd best player in Rig consistently matching me and Sky in carries. Azoldria would rarely tryhard unless she was in need to carry, which made her seem slower than she actually was. Kattamoon often had one of the worst connections in the game, it was usual to see her lag her ass off.. until she wasn’t lagging :). Icycute = Tmdals, congratulations! You learned a secret. You got the wrong person if you’re mentioning Danielflame being able to beat me lmfao that shitty ass movement he was pulling XD he was a threat with WASD, cakewalk with duals and hammer since he was already using arrows. I used to eat Daniel with unheated magic set and had a 10k+ average without damage bonus.. XD. Summus’ feat was 26k in t2, in combat skill he was far from a matchup.

3.2 - I do that cuz Im bored and no ones interesting, not cuz I’m retarded xd Daniel is reasonable, Mini and Zainj I’ll keep taking as a joke.

4 - Kyo’s strength was his speed, aggression, and stunlocks. 3 normal things that all good t2 players are able to manage. There were levels that Kyo never reached in terms of pressure and tactics.

5 - Nalrayi, Exiled didn’t know me well. I wasn’t a hybrid when Thrill had his guildies suited up with guns, and I used to run it down in GvG tryna cap, of course he’s not impressed. Vokster is whatever. Super shocked you know about Jxs tbh kinda creepy

now that you clarified, i'm no longer mad or confused since the purpose of this was legitimate mix/scenario issues with players. skill can be determined based off of scenarios and varies.

the "tmdals - icycute" wasnt me referring to tmdals as icycute. i said icycute because they both play good with brandishes.

ik ur jxs cuz you nevr stopped plying sk (nothing wrong with that)

3.2 you lose credibility like tht super quick. imagine exiled doing that... yah u see the point. how was no one interesting LD died in 2012. more players when yu were still playing

I play better vs players I take interest in such as Chong & Rets, Snarbo I haven’t gotten the chance to but he’s next.

had no idea tmdals was icycute or icycute was s-h or mei.

My issue wasn’t fighting 1v1s it was multiple people cuz ping delay makes it hard to weave around, and formal EU 1v1s are ass to handle
& I am rusty but I wouldn’t unrust from how inactive the game and myself are anyway

Also, for Azoldria. I used prolyphic to constantly deal with duals and speed users including Dknightt, Daniel, Karyu (Ancientdragon), Skyb, Spongerino etc. Sky would rarely tryhard so I usually won the encounters, and the rest were fair matchups they would go either way. I used to have the upper hand vs Spongerino and Daniel, Dknightt used to have the upper hand vs me, and Azoldria was actually the one who’d outclass me in raw speed. Prolyphic had an ASI med SF so it made it easier to swing first, Azoldria had asi H. I was still undercover as Prolyphic at the time when I used to battle Azol. In terms of raw speed, on Rebel-Ex I outsped Dknightt’s duals with no ASI. Even tho I wasn’t putting my upmost effort, Azoldria running through me like I was butter was a feat even Dknightt wasn’t able to pull. In pure speed vs speed, it’s only been done by Skybrandon and Arrovvx. Tryhard Azol was an actual realm of gods.

P.S. Leadmonkey was a constant T2 player, he went t3 for a few games after being long time inactive.. he was dropping prime glacius Tmdals like he wasn’t even worth the time lmaooo.
Rdz was clapping your ELK’s butt cheeks in 2016/2017 too
Adrieken was a Icegill/Kyoshiro/Fodow.. great speed and positioning but for heavy sword comboing, not for quick trades.

Nah but seriously Azol was a monster if you ever got her to tryhard. Scary

LOOOL not top 10 in 2014 when there was a total of 15 players

Tempas #1 player all time XD

When you gonna stop getting ran over in ld dovis xd

yes because a shit player can play in a stacked lobby and heavily outperform it using one weapon. would love for you to do the same tbh

oh wait you cant XD you were a shit striker then & shit striker now kid

rebel is a beast of a player and he would completely annihilate you on his prime