How not to recruit :P
I'm mostly just here to vent, so bear with me. Also, I'm not going to mention any names. So a random player ran by me who was a member of what seemed to be a female focused guild, judging by the name. There are several of these, and I'm not out to smear the guild as a whole, so I'm not going to name them. I'm sure there are a few nice people among their ranks. There have to be, don't there? The chat quotes are paraphrased from memory, I'm not sure if chats are logged or not but that's maybe a useful feature if not, because this was pretty entertaining (in hindsight)
Anyway, I sent her a tell asking about joining, because I've been in several other female guilds in other games. I figure there's some sort of screening process, that's normal. I didn't expect this. So here we go. How NOT to recruit new members into your guild.
STEP ONE: Deny, or at least leave ambiguous, the truth about what kind of guild you are.
Example:
Me: Oh hey, is that an all-female guild?
Her: Perhaps...
Me: ...Perhaps?
Her: Well how do I know you're a girl?
See, the conversation begins with an immediate tone of animosity and suspicion. I can understand wanting to screen out guys - but really? Not even answering the most basic question about what your guild is about? I can tell right away this is going to go well.
STEP TWO: Antagonize the applicant when you explain the application process
(picking up where we left off)
Her: Well how do I know you're a girl?
Me: Well usually there's a voice interview, I've joined a few all female orgs before. I'm fine with that.
(there is a long pause)
Her: Why would we do an interview when you could just send in a picture with your character name and today's date?
Me: Oh, okay.
Her: Just put it on tinypic or something
Why, indeed? My question is why did that have to be explained to me in such a condescending way?
STEP THREE: Deny access to an *actual* guild leader or officer.
Me: Okay then. Is there a recruiter or someone I should be speaking to instead of you?
Her: I'll pass it along.
Well, in that case I have no idea if there are any actual nice people in the guild, so I'll just pass on joining. Thanks for being completely unhelpful!
There, done venting. Thanks for listening!
How do you know that that guild was recruiting? Sounds to me kind of like they were trolling you.
Why are there "all female" guilds
Did Calvin not let you play with him and his stuffed tiger in his tree house?
Is the guild called G.R.O.S.S?
you, sir, get a cookie. and 1k bonus CE!
Why are there "all female" guilds? Because sometimes it's nice to connect with other girl gamers, because we're so outnumbered here in the wilds of the internet, that's why. But I'm in a guild now, a co-ed guild which has some very nice guys, so I'm happy.
That sort of reaction to the fact that they exist is part of the reason they need to exist :P
But anyway - I'll choose a guild full of nice and helpful people who happen to be male over a guild full of completely rude females anyway, gender solidarity be damned! :p
I believe the "official" guild on SK of a certain other somewhat-well-known forum masquerades as an all-female guild, when they obviously are not. Perhaps you ran into them?
Hm. That may be true. I was unaware of that, how unfortunate :/
But honestly, I would be just as puzzled if it were an all boys guild.
Though there are proper times to exclude boys/girls from things such as athletic leagues or youth clubs (No Jimmy, for the last time, you can NOT be a girl scout) but this is a video game.
Each gender has their share of jerks, the "OMG A GURL !1!1!" dudes and the "Y3AH IM A GURL GAM3R, THAT MAKES ME SPECIAL" gals.
But I would assume the regular guild invitation process would screen these people out.
I dunno, its just seems weird.
I mean, voice/picture identification?
But, whatever, to each his/her own.
Just seems fascinating to me. An interesting discussion topic.
Girls aren't that out numbered...
If you'd quit hiding in girl only guilds, avoiding all male contact, you'd find more girls "in the wild."
@Shosuko: See above. I'm in a regular old guild here in SK, with players of both genders. I play a whole lotta MMOs. Lots. Sometimes I like to seek out the female guilds. Most times I don't. This one just happened to run by me, so I thought I'd ask. Careful of those generalizations there, tiger.
Also, @Red - it does seem a bit invasive, doesn't it? But yeah, that's the way it's usually done. My first experience with it was in EVE Online, in fact - there are a few all-female corporations there and they're very necessary, I think, because something like 5% of the playerbase is female. The EVE corps are pretty strict with their screenings because apparently males do actively try to "infiltrate" the female corps pretty often. Sad but true.
One could argue that such strict procedures aren't necessary in SK - and I'd tend to agree with that - but it wasn't entirely unexpected at least.

Cool story bro.
I was expecting this to be someone complaining about people running around clicking join guild on someone instead of ever talking to them. OOO we need Do Not Disturb! I have like 200+ people on my ignore list because of all the people clicking add friend or join guild on me and never speaking to me. I would rather have the option of never getting useless trade/friend/guild requests send to me.

Lol, someone is taking this way too seriously, obviously.
Sounds like a clever ruse to get some female photos, if you're into that sorta thing.

There are much easier ways of getting pictures of girls without going to the trouble of downloading a game and starting a fake guild. Therefore, if that was their goal, I posit it was not a clever ruse at all.
Female gamers who feel the need to draw attention to the fact that they are female are either attention w****s or males pretending to be female. Many experienced gamers learn to avoid such people/guilds.
@redten - There actually are all-male (typically hardcore raiding) guilds in MMOs that specifically exclude females. The reasoning is two-fold: Females tend to cause more drama than males, and it's harder to find a superb female player than a male player. It sounds silly, but males actually are better at video games than females, probably due to social upbringing.
Wait, I can start a guild and get pictures of girls?!!
-starts guild-
It's true. Females tend to be huge... Yeah. You know where this is going. They either flaunt it a lot, and try to get guys to do things for them, or they talk garbage behind others backs and such. They often do bring crap into guilds in all games. All the drama I've ever experienced in any game, in a guild, is from a female. Except for loot drama. And 99% of female players are pretty awful. They generally get carried through games by their boyfriends or friends, who don't have the balls to tell them how bad they are.
I dunno. The guild you speak of seems pretty lax to me.
Any RESPECTABLE guild needs a solid application process. The guild you talked to (let's call it "the pros") knows this as Any true guild connoisseur should.
Firstly, you are verbally berated for having the gumption to ask directly rather than by simply showing off your perfect swordplay in the clockworks. Then, you submit a 500 word essay with you application. Any spelling errors is grounds for instant disqualification and a call to the grammar nazis/cyberpolice, whichever is available. Then, they check your college GPA. Anything less than a 3.5, and it's GTFO. After that, they make sure you have a good work ethic by looking at your facebook profile to make sure you don't have drunk photos or anything like that. However, you need "street cred", so if you can't show them your level 85 WoW character or 99 STR runescape character, 200 Maplestory character, etc... then you might as well give up now
After that you must submit a video of yourself jumping through a series of hoops. Preferrably while doing backflips. Then maybe, just maybe, you're good enough to be in the guild that you speak of.

That's a couple of fine examples of the kind of prejudiced thinking that makes some female players want to band together in solidarity. Even if most female players aren't at the top of the game, some of them will be. Dismissing someone based on gender instead of actual ability shows you're not actually as interested in ability as you're pretending to be. I've known plenty of fine female players who didn't need to be carried by anyone. As for drama, perhaps you're just blind to drama coming from males because of your own predispositions. Consider all the drama here over the crafting changes: the forum caterwauling, the calls to boycott, the very pointed and public walkouts. I would be very surprised if even a simple majority of those players was female.
After that you must submit a video of yourself jumping through a series of hoops. Preferrably while doing backflips. Then maybe, just maybe, you're good enough to be in the guild that you speak of.
I owe you some CE. This was a magnificent post. :D
What the hell is the point of an all female guild . . . is this like pre-school play ground all over again? Maybe a majority of the player base is just that young. ..

@Malleable, I don't know what to say. You must somehow be meeting the absolute worst people. I guarantee you that "females" do not have a monopoly on drama. I wish I could tell you some of the stuff I've seen over the years. Men and women are equally saints and jerks.
If I see you in game on my player character, I'm going to pretend to be male, though, just so I don't have to deal with that "99% of female players are pretty awful" stereotype you've got going on there. ;)

@Xenophantus - What's the point of having males in the highest positions in most societies in the world? Are we like, reverting to ancient societal roles that existed centuries ago? It's gonna happen because some males don't want to deal with females and vice versa and there are cultures out there that actively promote the thought that males are better than females in all ways. Subjugation ftl.
Oh, Lutia Pass is under attack. 'scuse.
~Griff, apparently one of the drama-causing females that play SK
I owe you some CE. This was a magnificent post. :D
Haha, no need for that. However, I'll be happy to do some JK runs with you and your new, awesome guild if you have access to tier 2
then who can possibly be worried about cooties?

You don't cause drama, however, your skills are questionable. ;)

Please. Between you and Rich, all I have to do is sit back, relax, and let you two do all the work. I needn't lift a finger! Well, maybe except to fend the both of you off.
PS: Go back to work.
I don't get it either. I've yet to see a "GUY GAMERS" guild. It might exist, but I haven't seen it. Girls pointing out that they are girls online has always seemed to me like a sad cry for attention. What's worse is that they get it.
I know a female player who'd prefer people didn't know she's female (infact, when we first met, she gave wisecracks when questioned on her gender). It's a bit of effort, but I can usually change the things I say to "dodge" the gender issue. I'll call her Player2.
"Player2 tells me she's going to build her Leviathan Blade! Then she's going to go fight Vanaduke." can become a gender-neutral "Player2 is working on a Leviathan Blade! Then, Vanaduke."
"Player2 sold all her Swordstones for a massive profit." becomes gender-neutral as "Player2 earned a massive profit on Swordstones. Sold every single one."
(Citadel) "Player 2 was running at me and she was on fire. So I threw a water ball at her and put the fire out." becomes "Player2 was running towards me on fire, so I threw a water ball. Problem solved."
Me? I'm male. Now we fight like men! And ladies! And ladies who dress like men!
I figure I can probably keep it up as long I'm not forced/tricked into discussing Player2's lack of a...
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...Y-chromosome?

Not necessarily. Sometimes, a girl points out they're a girl because most people mistaken them for guys and they just want it corrected. Sometimes, it's all good and the person accepts it. Sometimes it goes wrong and suddenly, said player has a bunch of guys harassing her and throwing out sly innuendos or other stuff. I've seen both happen and I've had both happen.
That's all fine and good, pointing out your gender to avoid awkward situations. But to advertise your gender via something like a guild is, in my humble opinion and nothing else, bad taste.

Well, yeah, that I'd agree with. But then I'm one of those girls who have way more male friends than female friends. I don't understand some "female issues" myself. Relationships, chocolate cravings that make mine look like a tame newborn kitten, etc... =/

What do you define as "advertising" your gender? And again, whatever you might come up with, I've probably seen both genders doing the same. It seems weird to call one on it and not the other.
My philosophy about all this is, play the darn game (whatever game it may be). If another player--male or female--can't shut up about his or her "personal equipment," stay the hell away from them, because drama will soon follow.

Equipment? Lessee, proto bomb, miracle hood, snarble barb...
-turns bag upside-down and buries herself-
@dirt - There are a few WoW guilds that let it be known that no females were allowed in their guild, usually due to past drama. Here's one with a really obvious name: http://www.nca-guild.com/
In case you don't want to look at the link, the guild is called No Chicks Allowed.
Spiral Knights is probably too casual to ever see a truly hardcore/elite guild formed, but such guilds have strict application processes because there's nothing more annoying to good players than being forced to play with others who can't carry their own weight. I've primarily been in a top guild in every game I've played seriously, and while the application process always seems ludicrous to casual players, the fact of the matter is that they still get at least a dozen applications every week.
Excellent female players exist, but the distinguishing feature that I've noticed in almost every female who plays at that level is that they rarely call attention to their gender. I've known females who nobody even knew were female for months (and in one case, 2 years).
a collie for a couple of hours. The fact that I could not snag a monster bone for the life of me finally gave it away.
"Excellent female players exist, but the distinguishing feature that I've noticed in almost every female who plays at that level is that they rarely call attention to their gender. I've known females who nobody even knew were female for months (and in one case, 2 years)."
They're humans first, gamers second, females third. Sounds about right.

It's things like this that make me not want to correct people when they refer to me as a "he." So I haven't been.
I do think people are missing the point of this thread though - what a bizarre way to recruit to a guild. And what an unfriendly member. D:
Despite being a girl myself, I tend to assume nearly everybody I play with is male, just because that's how it is in a lot of other games. If you're really interested in playing with another girl..? My IGN is Addy. I also have a guild, Team Rocket, and while we're not all female, we're pretty fun. :0
"Guys only" guilds don't exist because guys are like ants. They're crawling around everywhere and nobody thinks they're special. I'm saying this as a guy myself.
Female only guilds exist simply because females are a minority in online games. Not because of some attention hog mentality or snobbish mentality or whatever other crap that some people here are saying.
If the population proportions were reversed, i.e. if most people that played online games were girls, then you'd bet there would be guys only guilds. It's a quirk of human nature, and not just something that only girls do.

I find it awesome to be called a dude or bro in game. Back in Hawaii, it's like being accepted as a local, a kama'aina, rather than some lolo tourist.

I plan on advertising a new guild for men only as SKs biggest sausage fest. And Griffy you fend me off like 10 times a day, that barrier is getting old.

@Replicant
...Interesting observation. Even though that's highly suggestive... <_<
@Thread
I understand why some people dislike playing with "girls" because I have met a lot of "girls" who publicly announce that they are "girls" to get free stuff. It's extremely easy to pretend to be a girl. All you need to do is just say you're a girl and other people will believe you no doubt. Especially the perverted guys who don't have a decent life and are looking for online "girlfriends" for relief of their grief.
No need to be hypocrites though, guys are just as capable or even worse than girls so don't pull it. How would you feel if some random girl claimed that 99% of guys can't swing a sword for beans? Please look at it from the other person's perspective before you post.
Girls can be decent just like guys can. Just avoid the attention seeking girls who are asking for free stuff in exchange for a friend request or something along those lines. Let the other people who feed them feed them: they will run themselves dry, not you.
No need to be hypocrites though, guys are just as capable or even worse than girls so don't pull it. How would you feel if some random girl claimed that 99% of guys can't swing a sword for beans? Please look at it from the other person's perspective before you post.
It's true. 99% of males can't swing a sword for beans. Or play games. A huge majority of the population of "Gamers", is straight up terrible. Statistically speaking, females are a minority, and on top of that, a minority of them are actually any good at games.

'It's true. 99% of males can't swing a sword for beans. Or play games. A huge majority of the population of "Gamers", is straight up terrible. Statistically speaking, females are a minority, and on top of that, a minority of them are actually any good at games.'
Stop trolling dude. You're likely one of those people who rage at games when they die/lose or are losing.
I'm guessing you tried to apply to "Gamer Girls". Pretty sure you wouldn't be able to score an invite regardless of anything (it is not even all girls)
You should join the guild "sausage fest"!!
disclaimer: I have no idea if that guild exists or not

We're completely ignoring that "Girl Gamers" is a troll guild from Something Awful, right?
GIRL = Guy In Real Life
Live by this code. All your problems are solved.

Oh noes. Trolls among us?
Actually, Troll as a new monster family wouldn't be a bad idea. Even if you don't want to upset the rock-paper-scissors of the damage types, they can be an offshoot of the Gremlin family, like the Lichen/Slime relationship.
Back to the current topic:
I could care less what my teammates and fellow players identify as when it comes to gender. I do care when it becomes an issue, whether in the form of exclusion, superiority, or what have you. I can understand the need for a minority group to band together in order to survive an otherwise harsh environment among the majority group. In this instance, anonymity over the internets presents the same problem it always has: lack of immediate identification. Thus the tests to suss out someone's identity and the surprise when the identity deviates from the norm established in the mind of the tester. In the world of online interaction, this means being female.
Boy do I know how to ramble and preach! Bottom line: play the game, like Eurydice said. Your ascribed status, like gender or age, should have no bearing on your achieved status in the world of Spiral Knights...or any other video game, for that matter.
Ironically, on one game I play, I'm assumed to be a girl just because my name (which I had made up with no knowledge of the fact it is Arabic) is a female name in Arabic. For the record: said name is Shaeran.
So, I don't see why girls have such a bad rep on games, considering I've met tons of girls who are the best gamers in their area.
This was a pretty cool story.