Seriously, if you want to sell recipes at below AH price... Just make a bid with the Buy Price below AH prie. I guarantee you it will sell, and you have more chances of people buying there (you know, they actually go there to look for them) than sitting around next to Basil and hoping to god one of the random (and soon to be pissed player) will want to purchase something off from you.

Learn to use the Market system.
Or make your party invite only so you don't hinder other people looking to join groups and, you know, beat the living daylights out of monsters.

IGN: Rizu-Chan

selvester3, I suggest just soloing ONCE you get to Basil, then locking the Party.

If you did, this whole topic wouldn't even need to be here in the first place...

Did none of you people replying even read what the OP said? He was selling it to people outside the terminal. As well, having a player who joined the party go solo does not mean that the player is then forced to solo the next levels. That player can sit in the terminal after going solo and wait for his party to fill up. I personally would love to hit join party and get randomly sent to selvester's terminal party, it would allow me to skip a lot of unprofitable levels, allow me to see if theres any recipes I need and then go and make a profit in the next couple levels. If people really don't like ending up at the terminal then they can always just go back up to haven, it costs them nothing to go to the terminal so I don't see why people are complaining at all.

If the person wanted to go solo, he could have started his own party.

now whos ya daddy...

Oh no he di'nt.

/sassy finger snap

Basically, anyone who was trying to get recipes, is going to do it at the Auction House. The 10%-15% markup there is far more efficient than blowing 30-40 Mist running down to Basil for a chance at the item you want.

If folks are in the Clockworks, they're looking to earn Crowns, not spend it.

This whole operation is counterproductive and pretty disruptive in general: it stagnates the matchmaking pool, leaves joining players up the creek without a party, and deprives other parties from new joiners. All for the sake of your own miniscule profit? This really should be stopped.

Ah, ok. I had a suspicion that people couldn't join after the clockwork terminal, but I didn't know for sure, so I claimed that people don't tend to join at that depth.

"what people that come there cant go solo at terminal and open their own party to fill it up.. that allow the others that are looking for parties to join them.. people that join me can go solo and open another party.. its like a pyramid.. If I open and allow 3 to join and those three go solo they can open parties themselves.. and the people that join them go solo imagine how many parties just got opened look at all the ce saved by all those people.."

If the matchmaking is stuck on your party, nobody can join any party except yours. This means that the people who split from your party cannot get any new joiners because your empty, stagnant party is hogging all new arrivals.

You can buy the recipes from Basil, take them to Haven, and sell them through Trade chat there. This way, you are not disrupting the matchmaking pool. Plus Basil only lets you buy one of each recipe each day anyway, so you can't even sell the same recipe to two different people with your method.

"its what I do u dont see me complaining"
The very first post of this thread was you complaining that people don't like what you are doing.

There's no energy cost for joining someone at the terminal, if they don't want the benefit of getting immediately to the second half of the tier they can always just leave and try again.

Sylvester, have you ever TRIED what you are suggesting people do?

Here is how it works:

Random person joins a group from the Lobby, they get tossed into your group.

You aren't responding/moving at all, so they are forced to go solo and wait for their own party to fill up.

Another random person joins a group from the Lobby, the system SENDS THEM TO YOUR GROUP SINCE YOU ARE FIRST IN THE QUEUE FOR FILLING.

That person sees you aren't responding/moving at all, so they are forced to go solo and wait for their own party to fill up.

Note: There are now 2 people waiting for parties to fill up, each one solo. All people who MIGHT join their party, wind up doing the exact same thing, they are sent to YOUR party and then set up their own solo attempt.

You are COMPLETELY BLOCKING THE ABILITY TO JOIN A PARTY FROM LEVEL 13 DOWN.

Caps make it clear enough?

First off to Selvester -

You do realize that the reason they made Basil have 0 stock of things if you warp right there is to STOP people from doing what you are doing. You do realize that its just a matter of time before they do something else to stop you, and possible ruin the fun of getting to Basil to see what he has. All because YOU think its a good idea to do what you do.

Here is how it SHOULD go. You make a list of people that want the warp you keep the party locked so people dont accidently join your party and you do it that way. I would have less issue if that was the case. 1/2 the fun of the run is to get Basil and see what he has, what if there was an arena along the way? We the players miss out on heat and lots of crowns because of you, so in your mind your "saving us" crowns and CE but in essence you are robbing us of heat and crowns as well. Think about that for a while and then if you still think you are doing a good thing with the open party, then I will really lose faith in you.

@xienwolf - I agree fully, he does ruin the queue because then you have 2 open parties, 1 will lead to a dead end, and 1 is a real party. Ultimately, there could be as many as 10 open parties before I am sure people will start filter into real parties. Which I personally would get really pissed at and not be happy wasting 500 crowns (wasting more crowns to try over and over again) to be at a dead end and having to wait upwards of 30-60 min to get a full party to continue.

Back to Selvester for a moment, read what I just said in response to wolf, you may learn how you are messing things up for people after all, if you didn't get it from the crowns and heat aspect.

Thats all I have to say for now, Selvester please read what I have said and change your ways before you ruin things for us all, and upset alot of players wanting heat/crowns (and not to waste them by joining your party 10 times in a row before finding a real party and having to wait 30 more min to get a full party)

Since you know you are wrong with "saving us" crowns, and CE because we are losing heat and crowns by trying to join a party over and over and ending up in yours, you have now turned this into "the devs need to change the way game is coded". Is that the gist of what you are saying?

Instead of doing the right thing and NOT by passing the system they put in place about a month ago (you remember from my last post when I said they don't allow you purchase things if you warp to the terminal right? Yeah that's the one I am talking about), you want them to change the rules/policies/entire way the game works JUST to suit your needs. You are truely a class act.

Your argument about the "'Q'" is what? They should make it random? You do know that if you coin flip, its still 50/50 to land on heads right? Meaning people will still have a 50% to end up in your party (based on 1 other person going solo) so then it becomes 33% if another goes solo, those odds aren't that great, and potentially they could spend 500x3 and upwards of (guesstimate) 5 times to make it into another party (if there are only 3-4 parties). So you have no argument at all is what you are saying.

So you are going to end up ruining the game on T3 for us all, and possibly Basil all so you can make a few extra crowns? I am sure at this point you are saying "how will i ruin the game? How can I ruin Basil?" very simply, its much easier to change recipes to be bought with tokens from bosses for example and set Basil with a set list of recipes, then it would be to reprogram the game to account for 1 stubborn person like you, that even doesn't care about the rest of us, but wants a few extra crowns in their pocket. Ruining the game is from the fact that we miss out on heat, and crowns that we could use to buy more CE for example, OR even recipes! Lack of doing DRs and Arenas would cause us to miss out on alot of goodies.

So please, do me a favor, stop trying to argue what you are doing is right, accept the facts presented here, accept that its wrong, its by passing the rules and what the update did to prevent this sort of thing, and its robbing us of crowns/heat, and stop your actions.

These points can not be clearly stated anymore than they are. If you do not change your actions, I would be very sad to think what else you think is right

So if people want to warp right to Basil then make a list and keep your party closed. Why is that something you refuse to do?

It is not in the TOS you are correct, but clearly they do not want people to do this or why would they have patched it a month ago to have 0 stock? Is there a logic to this at all otherwise?

You seem to not want to listen to reason, apparently you are the type of person that makes me sad in the world. You are the kind of person that call it a service to bend the rules, and use loopholes to make money, even if its 1-2k per recipe, thats still making it an inconvenience for the rest of us who WANT to do Arenas, you still havent mentioned how missing out on DRs and Arenas are a benefit. That is because you know you it causes us a loss in the end, not "saving us" anything.

I am so happy you have 95 friends, this isn't twitter/facebook/etc, this means nothing to our conversation except prove my point, why not make your party private, if you did that in the first place, this whole conversation wouldnt have had to happen.

Thats the bottom line sir, if you are going to do this, make it private party, since you refuse to do that (even though you have a whole 95 friends!) we had to have this convo.

I agree with Quizzical on the reporting thing. Nothing bothers me more when trying to find a group in a gate than someone pulling in everyone while doing nothing themselves. Pretty sure I've even run into you before, selvester3, and it caused me quite a deal of grief.

Nice ad.

Party filling should never be random. It should always start with the first party, fill it and then move it out of the queue. First come, first served is how party systems work otherwise you can get someone making a party and waiting half an hour because the random number generator keeps choosing other parties including newly made parties that only got started after the original party.
Example: Party A is opened, then B, then C. Someone comes looking to join. 66% chance that it's not A. Some more people come to join. Until B or C are full each person has a 66% chance not to join A. Then party D and E open up. Now it's an 80% chance not to join A until some of the other parties fill up and lock. Worst case scenario you have 3 people in every party before they start filling up and then they fill up in reverse order. So A was first to open a party and was the last to be ready. They could have filled up A and sent 4 people on their way before filling up B and so on. Instead A had to wait until everyone got filled before he can plan with his party with random matching.
Random matching is ridiculous if you think about it logically.

And because of this abuse of the partying system (which is effectively unsolicited hawking) there should be a rule about matching that says "if someone joins your party and goes solo within 5 minutes then your party is locked for 10 minutes and then enters the party queue at the back.
Or a counter that checks how many people are going solo from your party and once it hits a certain level it should simply lock the party and not let it be opened again.

Also: If I just waited in a queue to get to the front and get you and don't want or can't afford your "service" then I now have to open my party up I'm entering another queue just to get a party. So you've forced me to double my queue lengths because of your... erm... "unique" guerilla sales strategy. I'm not surprised that some people report you.

I really don't see why you don't just sell things on the auction house or stand outside the auction house selling your wares. You reach a far wider audience there and will sell things far faster and annoy fewer people.

If your so proud of your 95+ friends, then you have no need for an open party Basil group warp.

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I don't particularly like that idea. The point of the update was so that more people would play more levels before buying their recipes. I support the current system fully, but would like to see some action against what the topic poster is doing.