Spiral Knights - Reasoning behind Skolver vs. Vog Cub

Reasoning behind Skolver vs. Vog Cub

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Wed, 07/13/2011 - 20:30

CygnusRising

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The vast majority of people who start out with the Wolver set tend to go to Vog Cub over Sklover. I've heard two main reasons for this:

1) The Attack Speed boost scales better than the damage boost giving you better overall damage, especially when combined with the propensity towards Divine Avenger line.

2) Dat Firestorm Citadel. Fire status, wat do?

Regardless of the overall gear choice differences that you have to make when choosing Vog over Sklover, why is it that Vog Cub is seen so much in favor of Sklover? Is there more than just the above two reasons? Am I missing something?

I personally was looking at Sklover + Owlite or Vog + Barbarous Thorn Shield line while probably using a Brandish/Calibur line sword. Does it really matter?

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 20:37

Sillty

It's not that attack speed

It's not that attack speed scales better, it's that it's generally more useful because it also provides a defensive bonus since you can time your attacks/shield/etc more easily.

Also, Vog Cub has elemental defense, which is generally more useful than Skolver's piercing.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 21:08

Patchumz

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A lot of people use DA and/or

A lot of people use DA and/or GF, making the attack speed invaluable, and for most people, they don't need piercing like they do elemental.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 21:25

Nodocchi

That's strange, I use both

That's strange, I use both Gran Faust and Divine Avenger and I prefer the Skolver line over the Vog line for any dungeon that's not fire. Especially if you're solo the damage boost is quite noticeable as it can mean the difference between finishing off your opponent with two hits instead of three.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 21:25

Patchumz

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Attack speed with these slow

Attack speed with these slow weapons makes it much easier to shield, and therefore more safe. Not dying is a very good thing ^^.

Wed, 07/13/2011 - 21:29

Boolet

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I prefer Divine Veil +

I prefer Divine Veil + Skolver Coat over Full skolver or Full Vog myself. :P

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 01:33

IceMilkTea

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'I personally was looking at

'I personally was looking at Sklover + Owlite or Vog + Barbarous Thorn Shield line while probably using a Brandish/Calibur line sword. Does it really matter?'

btw shield defenses are applied only when its up. If your using Skolver you have no elemental def unless you shield up, same with vog+barb, no piercing unless u shield up.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 02:24

Kalmpa

Any experience with 1 Skolver

Any experience with 1 Skolver + 1 Vog Cub part?

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 07:28

BiggestLoser

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Zelda

for DA i mainly use skolver simply to boost the charge attack, while the regular attack is good enough to get rid of monsters, a little extra dmg is nice too..

vog cub just gives nice protection in fsc(especially at vana T.T, also can be useful when u lag out into fire)

btw DA isnt that slow at all, its just not very fast either

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 09:42

Lazypinoy

I agree with Boolet!

Oh, and in FSC it doesn't matter how much fire resist you have. You'll always have 5 seconds of fire or more I'm pretty sure, BUT you need that elemental defense. Mix it up! Make a set that's good for any occasion!

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 11:34

#10

yonfire

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@agrar"Any experience with 1

@agrar

"Any experience with 1 Skolver + 1 Vog Cub part?"

Cool thing about doing that is this:
You can use swiftstrike buckler to hit ULTRA on ASI due to the Vog
And if your a pure swordy, and have Vh UV's that damage against certain enemies is also max.

** you could also get a max UV ele on one piece and max pierce on the other, giving you Lots of normal, ele, and piercing defense on the set, and a little bit of fire and freeze. But to get that loadout would be expensive as it would be pretty specific on all counts. Not to mention that the swiftstrike has very little shielding compacity so margin of error is pretty unforgiving.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:16

#11

HotSauceBoss

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Now another question to ask

Now another question to ask is will UV's that increase damage to specific enemies stack on top of the skolver + barbarous thorn shield setup. From my testing it -seems- to, which makes me think that the amount of damage you can put out with the skolver line + barbarous thorn shield setup is pretty high.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:31

#12

Myou

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Yes

UVs vs a certain type do stack with Thorn Shield & Skolver bonuses. Though no matter how much your UV gives you can get no higher then MAX vs a mob. So IF you had Barbarous Thorn Shield and 1 piece of Skolver you would only need a UV of Med to obtain MAX vs a mob type. This would equate to approximately 39% damage increase to said monster. Granted with full Skolver and Barbarous shield you would have MAX towards ALL mobs when using swords.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 13:35

#13

Algol-Sixty

in FSC it doesn't matter how

in FSC it doesn't matter how much fire resist you have. You'll always have 5 seconds of fire or more I'm pretty sure,

According to people who have tested it, you can, for example, become immune to vanaduck's fire snakes if you have the right setup. Also, you get get the time down to 4 seconds, rather than 5.

Thu, 07/14/2011 - 21:03

#14

Dasparian

@GodisPie

I burn for three seconds. Max fire res Vog + clean Vog = less burny.

@OP
Skolver + ASI sword = FREE damage to ALL monsters, fast attack speed, poor end-game defense.
Vog + Damage sword = damage to one type, FREE attack speed, good end-game defense.

If you're offensively based, Skolver wins out. If you'd prefer to live more, Vog is the better choice.

Sat, 07/16/2011 - 13:23

#15

Lazypinoy

@Dasparian

Mmm, I see. I'm going off what somebody with Vog told me.

And CygnusRising, if you know what you're doing you shouldn't die at all.

Example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5QYdL0-jRM

Sat, 07/16/2011 - 14:09

#16

Icycloud

me: Skolver set (both UV fire

me:

Skolver set (both UV fire resists max)

Babr thorn shield

Result?

Max dmg bonus!

Swords.

ASI Very High on all swords.

So in game, i get ASI and dmg bonus max.

Ele/pierc is optional.Those def just make A BIT more room for mistakes. If you have the skills, any skolver/vog set will get you throu.

I run FSC successfully without any fire resists

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Reasoning behind Skolver vs. Vog Cub