Allow us to trade Grim, Forge and Primal Sparks. Thanks in advance.
(come at me bros)
Trading tokens.
Fri, 07/15/2011 - 08:36
Fri, 07/15/2011 - 09:13
#2
No.
No.
Fri, 07/15/2011 - 09:53
#3
@GamerGuy219
Can't believe that reading one line of text is so hard on you.
Fri, 07/15/2011 - 10:07
#4
um
whoops nm
Fri, 07/15/2011 - 10:34
#5
How is it hard on me? I
How is it hard on me? I wasn't trolling or raging, just stating facts O.o
Fri, 07/15/2011 - 10:42
#6
Read his post again. Did he
Read his post again. Did he ever mention trading of boss tokens? No. Then what the heck are you ranting on about killing Vanaduke for then? <.<
Fri, 07/15/2011 - 10:45
#7
no because it makes tokens
no because it makes tokens trivial...
Fri, 07/15/2011 - 11:00
#8
Read his title again. Did he
Read his title again. Did he ever mention trading of a specific token? No. Then why he heck are yo ranting on about me talking about Vanaduke for then? <.<
Seriously dude, I was explaiing why trading any type of token is bad. You can't make it so only a certain tpe can be traded .-.
Fri, 07/15/2011 - 13:12
#9
Honestly you made no sense -
Honestly you made no sense - on what do you think people spend those tokens? On the stuff that is trade-able, so whats your point exactly? I want to get all the trinkets but its clearly impossible with the amount of them, those tokens drop randomly from chests so i see absolutely NO reason why to not make the tokens trade-able as you can't farm them. Why cripple other people? The trinkets don't provide any real help and some even don't work at all.
Fri, 07/15/2011 - 16:19
#10
I honesty don't see what all
I honesty don't see what all the fuss is about.
If regular tokens were to be made tradeable boss tokens woud also be tradeable.
Can't believe me stating a few facts has caused such a fuss, seems like the world can't handle it. If you want trinkets just keep on doing runs until you get enough. No more arguing.
Buncha lazy people. e.e
Fri, 07/15/2011 - 17:19
#11
Why aren't you demanding
Why aren't you demanding locking materials then? Should i make a suggestion like that? Its the same thing, just in some other form. Its not like it would affect you, it could only provide you a small income if you don't want to spend tokens for materials/trinkets, you could just sell the tokens itself. I'm sure a market for tokens would grow fast and people would only benefit from it. If you actually make some research on the forums you will know that the trinkets are really useless. If there is someone doing fuss, its you making up things saying "If regular tokens were to be made tradeable boss tokens woud also be tradeable." which obviously wouldn't happen (see binding staying through transmutations on boss weapons).
Sat, 07/16/2011 - 09:48
#12
*sigh*
Locking materials and
*sigh*
Locking materials and trading tokens are two completely different subjects.
*shakes head*
I guess the world just can't handle being told "no" these days.
*nod*
Sat, 07/16/2011 - 12:46
#13
Sorry, NO
No, just NO. Gamer is correct, and if you want those trinkets you better work for it =.= just like every other player out there. If you want an easy way don't be lazy. Trading Tokens ruins the game completely it makes the only thing that you actually have to work for useless. CE is something you work for but it's easily obtainable, same with crowns, equipment, recipes, and materials. By saying you want to allow token trading is SO WRONG. Go work for it you lazy ***.
Sat, 07/16/2011 - 12:51
#14
No
Calm down your rage kid..
You're simply suggesting, "hey why don't we delete regular tokens from the game, and add a lil bit money to treasure boxes? They are so dumb we don't even need them! I derp!"..
If you think trinkets are useless, then suggest to buff them or something..
I simply agree with monkeyman135.
Sat, 07/16/2011 - 13:20
#15
None of you yet explained how
None of you yet explained how does one work for those tokens. If you want to troll, go somewhere else with your provocations.
On thread, i didn't say that the trinkets are useless, they just don't provide any real help and some don't work at all, refer to to this thread for further information.
Sat, 07/16/2011 - 15:41
#16
Those who feed the trolls will get trolled
"If you actually make some research on the forums you will know that the trinkets are really useless."
Are we still talking about trinkets or how you got trolled? If yes, this was how the provocation started, "Can't believe that reading one line of text is so hard on you.".. Also you started a suggestion without any explanations in the first place.
Those who feed the trolls will get trolled..
I'm not making a huge deal out of the trinkets in this case. Material prices nowadays do not represent how much value each type of tokens has, and I'd like to keep it that way. For example, reaper rib costs 20 Grim Sparks, but it costs less than 1k crowns in the market. We should not make the tokens trade-able if they do not have fair values to materials at Brinks.
Something that I think would seem a fair solution is to have an NPC that trade tokens-to-tokens. For a token that you want, it needs 3 other tokens. A simple example would be if you need a grim spark, you could sacrifice three primal sparks for it. This way the tokens are still valuable and the market would not be affected too much in my opinion.
I'm not on GamerGuy219's side which he assumes boss tokens would get trade-able as well, and I am aware that is not your suggestion.
Sat, 07/16/2011 - 16:07
#17
While i said earlier useless
While i said earlier useless i didn't mean useless per se, i meant just that its pretty futile to use them. I'm not a native english speaker, mind you. Not everyone is, i'm trying really hard to be at highest communicative level but if you keep coming and fighting me with semantics what i can say else than "dont post provocations"? Should i just report you flamatory posts to the support? I don't know man.
Sat, 07/16/2011 - 17:04
#18
OMG are you extremely stupid
OMG are you extremely stupid or something? I'm not an English native speaker either and I really don't care about that, stop bringing up stuff that does not matter.
Stop driving your own thread crazy and keep to your own topic. What I wrote was legitimate opinion about your suggestion. Did you even read it with your highest communicative level? Or my English is so bad that you can't understand it? And who the hell started the flame in the first place?
Stop talking about the goddamn trinkets. I am amazed by your stupidity. Should I report this to your mom? I don't know man.
Sat, 07/16/2011 - 17:33
#19
You should really go
You should really go somewhere else if you want to insult people because of your farfetched assumptions. My first reply wasn't provocative, the poster didn't read my post at all, what did you expect me to say when someone goes fullignore mode and assumes things and post something on a totally different matter? Also, in case you didn't notice, materials vanished from boss tokens and most likely will vanish also from other tokens. The price for Reaper Rib is fair at Brinks, its a 5* item, its an item you can only get on Tier 3. Which part isn't fair here? The crowns value is all supply&demand, nothing more to it. Materials were added to tokens because they were hard to obtain (see: trojan horseshoe) but now with the existence of auction house its easy to get them without the use of tokens, a safe bet is that likely they will be also removed from all tokens unless some material isn't available anywhere else (see: Rock Salt at Royal Jelly tokens). We also know that the unbidding shop will allow us to unbind all items that arent starless or have 0 stars. Yes, that means trinkets will be tradeable. So why again you don't want the tokens to be tradeable?
Sat, 07/16/2011 - 17:50
#20
And still you don't
And still you don't understand my post.. Good job! I guess no points arguing about the suggestion further here.
Have fun! You have amazed me so much that I can barely talk.
Sat, 07/16/2011 - 17:49
#21
Your suggestion has nothing
Your suggestion has nothing to do with this topic, thats why i didn't even bother replying to it. This topic is about allowing to trade the tokens, not some gimmicky npc that will rip me off my tokens.
Sat, 07/16/2011 - 23:13
#22
I have to agree with
I have to agree with GamerGuy219, Tokens and materials are two completely different things, and tokens should not be tradeable, regualar tokens are in the same category as Boss tokens so they would have to be tradeable all together, and one of the main points of the game is to beat the bosses. This is a terrible idea.
Sun, 07/17/2011 - 01:15
#23
@Pojo267
In next week there will be an update that will include that will add an NPC that allows unbinding weapons, that means you will be able to buy every weapon from bosses without any hassle from the players.
"Vise can unbind items (zero star and 'starless' items excluded) in exchange for energy."
This is from the topic in the announcement section, boss items have stars so they will not be excluded from unbinding.
Sun, 07/17/2011 - 05:41
#24
Okay Joozek. You have lost
Okay Joozek. You have lost your mind. Nobody here is trolling, trolling would be:
"THIS IDEA IS TERRBILE GO F YO COUCH SON"
I told you exactly why this was a bad idea, and yes. I did read your full post. Three times.
"None of you yet explained how does one work for those tokens"
In fact, I did. You either kills bosses or find them in the clockworks.
Tokens will never be tradable,and if they do become tradable, I will personally send you 10k ce. Now stop having a tempertantrum. I guess you just can't handle criticism.
EDIT: I actually have plenty of reason to report your for continuing the fight Joozek.
"Can't believe that reading one line of text is so hard on you."
"If you want to troll, go somewhere else with your provocations."
"Not everyone is, i'm trying really hard to be at highest communicative level but if you keep coming and fighting me with semantics what i can say else than "dont post provocations"? Should i just report you flamatory posts to the support? I don't know man."
"You should really go somewhere else if you want to insult people"
"the poster didn't read my post at all"
"Your suggestion has nothing to do with this topic, thats why i didn't even bother replying to it"
Sun, 07/17/2011 - 05:53
#25
"Buncha lazy people. e.e"
"Go
"Buncha lazy people. e.e"
"Go work for it you lazy ***."
"Calm down your rage kid.."
"are you extremely stupid or something?"
"I am amazed by your stupidity."
Please also point out where i'm raging, because i can't really find myself cursing or even insulting someone. Calling someone a troll when he is being clearly provocative isn't really insulting. Telling you to pay attention isn't insulting when you clearly didn't even read my post which was crystal clear from the start. You just went ahead and assumed things. And i was just deflecting all the spit in my direction my dear friend, i haven't called anyone names.
Sun, 07/17/2011 - 05:56
#26
Read the names again who said
Read the names again who said that, I only said "Buncha lazy people e.e" and was joking around. Also, I never accused you of calling names :)
Sun, 07/17/2011 - 06:06
#27
I'll go ahead and quote you:
I'll go ahead and quote you: "I never accused you of calling names", the quotes i provided is once again, me deflecting all the spit and not involving in a fight, just pointing out that i'm not the one going out of my way to cause a flame.
Sun, 07/17/2011 - 06:40
#28
That's not spit..
I stated a
That's not spit..
I stated a few facts at the beginning and you couldn't handle the "no" so you made a tempertantrum like my 4 year old sister. After continuing to get worse players started spitting on you because of how childish you sound. You caused it to yourself. I've also seen your comments on many other topics, and they are all just begging for a fight. Get over it and grow up.
On topic: Tokens will never be tradeable.
Sun, 07/17/2011 - 06:54
#29
Forum rules.
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Forum rules.
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Post personal attacks, or anything intended to insult or belittle another person (this includes both players AND staff members)."
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Please keep to the rules, we can't have a discussion here if you don't abid the rules.
Sun, 07/17/2011 - 08:22
#30
I'm not sure why people keep
I'm not sure why people keep saying that normal tokens are in the same category as boss tokens. While yes, they both are tokens, normal tokens are far far easier to acquire. For example, you don't need to run 6 to 8 floors to maybe kill a huge and hard monster for 3 specific tokens. You can run 6 to 8 floors and get at least 3 random tokens.
So this idea that if one type is tradeable, all will be, has no basis in reality. It's a simple coding issue. They could make it so that only forge sparks are tradeable. They could make it so that only fruminous fangs are tradeable.
At the end of the day, the OP's idea is this: "Make Primal, Forge, and Grim Sparks Tradeable". Adding anything else to it and going off on wild tangental assumptions is counter productive to the discussion. As you all can see, the topic was derailed.
Now back to being on topic:
This idea isn't entirely bad. I have a surplus of grim sparks and to some lesser extent primal sparks, but very few forge sparks. It would be nice if I could at least trade sparks for sparks, or trade in the sparks I'll never use for crowns or energy. The fact is, people had to work for the other items that I want to trade for. If I want energy for my sparks, did someone not have to work for that in some capacity? What if I wanted crowns? Was there not any work being done? What if I wanted 50 blue shards for them? I'm not sure if this would crash the market as you can still get a good many of those items in game. The trinkets are nice, but very few use them, and you need to spend your energy to get a trinket slot in the first place. I'm not entirely sure most people even know where to go to get the extra slots.
Sun, 07/17/2011 - 08:34
#31
"You can run 6 to 8 floors
"You can run 6 to 8 floors and get at least 3 random tokens."
Indeed, you can also get this http://i.imgur.com/Raj7a.png or never get a token through numerous runs. Did i really work for those?
Sun, 07/17/2011 - 09:02
#32
Or, they could make it so all
Or, they could make it so all non-boss token rewards are tradeable... Why reward those who didn't go through the effort to obtain the tokens by allowing them to buy tokens?
Sun, 07/17/2011 - 11:39
#33
End of discussion,
you can buy non boss tokens from vendors and players, therfore this is a yes. NOW SHUT UP WITH THE NO'S.
Sun, 07/17/2011 - 12:30
#34
You can't buy non boss tokens
You can't buy non boss tokens from vendors and players...
And again, if this were to be coded it would require a whole game system rewrite so you had two token categories: Boss Tokens and Tokens.
Possible, but as I said before they won't bother with it.
Sun, 07/17/2011 - 15:14
#35
Tradable Sparks
1. I'm not the one who can say if it's easy to modify game code to make Sparks tradable. I don't know anything about codes and programming. I can only guess it's not so difficult as Boss Tokens and Sparks have already quite different features so far.
2. Sparks ARE NOT prestige items or proof of anyone's hard work/abilities. As many Sparks can be found on level 1 as on any other level. Finding Sparks by yourself require as much grinding/time/energy as acquiring enough crowns to buy them.
3. All items that can be purchased with Sparks are (or will be in very near future) tradable so is it such an issue anyway?
3. I'm not sure if such feature is really needed - but I don't understand at all why so many people find it wrong to trade them (?!). Personally I don't mind tradable Sparks. Several times a guild member needed some rare material that can be purchased with Sparks but none of us have enough Sparks to buy it - if we were able to trade all our Sparks to one person he would have enough though. So generally I don't miss such feature a lot, but I don't think it would ruin a game if introduced.
Sun, 07/17/2011 - 16:41
#36
@GamerGuy:
How do you know it
@GamerGuy:
How do you know it would require a "whole game system rewrite"? Are you in possession of said source code and are familiar with it? Coding issues can be easy tasks or monumental tasks depending on how they have it set up.
This is a terrible idea, and I will explain why:
People work hard for tokens. If they were to be able to be traded, instead of killing Vanaduke 20 times you could just trade them. It is pointless. Where's the fun? And also, players usually get them to use for something specific. If you were able to trade tokens, it would throw the entire Spiral Knights system off. Players with jobs would no longer have to work for the rarer items you don't see often because they wold buy energy for the tokens.
Another reason would be hackers. I don't hear much about hackers and scammers from this game compared to others, but they do exist. If they were to get your password and hack you, they could also take your tokens. It would increase scamming by a good large percent.
The above reasons are just a few of many I cant think of why tokens should not be traded. Ty for your time.
~Gamer