I doubt they will bring back the same PVP as it was because it was broken and people were more vocal about wanting a PVP that was more mini-game oriented, like what we got.

So your in favor of attack button spam? Really thought that one well through.

This stuff never works in an MMO environment, especially one with a pay structure that allows you to buy your way into the best gear; not only would the pvp be broken and stupid hard to balance, it'd screw the rest of the game up for trying. Enjoy the game for what it is and stop trying to make it something its not, if you want pvp play a game designed around multiplayer. (theres too many to count, from any genre)

Most of the time it boils down to the people wanting it being mad that they cant abuse their gear advantage - thinking about themselves and not the game as a whole (there was another thread the other day with some dude raging that he'd made 4327427 perfect pvp sets and cant use them, lmao)

Not every game has to have "arena" :)

All said they could add it with preset gear like blast network, but not only do i think it wouldnt be that fun; i reckon people would STILL whine cus you know, they cant use their gear. Its not really the pvp they want ;)

Guess i vote no!

5000 CE says they will implement deathmatch PvP with players' own equipment before the game goes belly up. Good luck collecting your winnings if you win, though. ;)

I would recommend that you don't start a thread with a disclaimer about all the things people can and can't say in response. You may be the original poster, but you do not make the rules. This is a discussion forum. You will get a discussion.

I think that YES, OOO will eventually implement a form of player on player, equipment-based combat. However, what I think would make the most sense for them is to mimic something like DOTA, where PvE and PvP are mixed together. Two home bases, monsters from each team marching towards each base, players pushing their team's monsters towards the other team's base. Make things a little more interesting.

I think that NO, OOO will not implement a raw copy of the beta PvP mode. But that doesn't mean you will never get to swing your fancy sword at another player's head.

I spent some time watching a few beta PvP videos today. Combat devolves into either a rote swing-fest or a total cluster-****. They need to bring something better than that to the table, which I hope they will do. OOO has displayed a lot of talent in mimicking other successful game types.

You didn't even directly state that this is a poll. Also, people other than the OP will discuss the original topic with or without the OP.

You just discussed it with Thrull, too.

:l This is not intended as a flame, just pointing it out.

As for me, I'll just say YES to direct combat, but probably in the form of CTF/other objectives rather than a Deathmatch.

Personally I hope they never put in traditional death match PVP. But it wouldn't surprise me over all the crying that they do it and it is the least played aspect of the game because it gets old after one match.

@Codemister13 : Not to mention all the grief associated with balancing equipment for PvP activities. In PvE, EquipmentA is never powerful enough, but as soon as its in PvP its over powered. And EquipmentB is just cheating.

What do you consider as beta-based PvP? If it just means players having the ability to kill each other using a variety of weapons other than bombs? Then yes. How it will be implemented is up to OOO but I wouldn't be surprised if they found a way to balance swords in PvP or just issued everyone standardized weapons like in the current blast network.

Now if what you were looking for was the Gran Faust/Divine Avenger lovefest people saw in beta where everyone brought in their best equipment, then probably not.

Also you're going to be more specific in defining what you consider to be meaningful PvP if you are making a serious bet. As it is, you can pretty much define your meaningful PvP as anything after the fact. OOO can release a PvP mode that is identical to what people saw you beta and you could say: "Nope, that's not what I consider meaningful PvP, what I wanted was to see all the players get turned into ducks and quack each other to death."

I would kiss it but you would like it waaay too much. ;)

Anyways, beta pvp was a bit of a joke really. I played it with my guild when we were bored, or didn't have the energy to go to the clockworks.

I'm going to explain how pvp in beta worked.

There were three separate sections based on tier. You could only equip certain starred items based on what tier you were going to compete in. So, it really wasn't about who could afford the best gear because they weren't going to let people with 4 and 5 star items compete with people who have 2 star items. Things were MUCH cheaper than now so 5 star items were very affordable. The only things that were very expensive were materials (that's a different conversation of itself).

Now for the scoring, I don't remember the exact details of how many points you got for what so don't ask me that. I do remember That you got so many points for killing someone, then if you killed yourself everyone got points and you got points taken away. Every time you died you had points taken away. I can't remember if it was a percentage base of points I just remember like if the person in last place killed the person in first place they would get TONS of points. Like maybe even half. So it was totally possible to go from first to last... and it was possible to lose all your points from dying too much. Also, each tier had their own scoring board.

I liked how the point system worked then I thought it was a good idea and actually pretty fair.

As for the maps. Some of the maps were really cool. They would have heart regeneraters that you could stand on for a certain amount of time and get some of your health back. Which made for great entertainment when you're trying to regenerate your health and people are shooting at you and trying to kill you.

I think it could be tweaked a bit to give it an extra something. If they aren't going to do the tier based pvp like they did in beta then I would imagine that we would have separate gear for pvp. You want me to say yes or no to beta pvp being brought in now? I can't (won't) give you a yes or no answer. I think there will be similarities, I don't think it would be EXACTLY the same. It was beta for a reason, so they could improve it. I know one thing though there is no way they aren't going to give is some form of hack and slash pvp. They will give it to us, that would be silly when they entire community wants it.

You're funny.

Of course I didn't really reply. I already stated what i thought of this thread. Joking or not, nothing worthwhile will come of poll or bet, making it pointless; any answer based on your criteria as stated serves no purpose other than to please yourself, making it 'wank'. There's really not much else to say.

Were you looking for something other than a forum, then? You could start a blog.

Dear god i hope no beta style pvp.

That's where the scum of a games audience goes. PvP.

Oh, what I was getting at is that it's frighteningly difficult to start a topic on a forum and then tell people not to discuss it. (This explains a bit of the backlash you may have observed!)

DrLequack seems to be suffering from a mighty case of the Captain Complainy Pants.

The sad thing is he doesn't notice he's not far off from a troll and just feeding into his ridiculous threads all across the board gives him more fuel.
Instigating uncivilized silly quarrels in a unsuitable enviroment...

It's like he spreading rumors about betting his boss has bad acne on his butt in the workplace cafeteria. With his boss actually standing next to him.

but go ahead and try the "OMG CENSOARSHEEP!!" attitude now.

as for your ontopic.

No. Bad LeQuack, no more fuel for you.

instead I will enjoy making metaphors about your silly threads throughout the boards to make people realize that they are wasting their time discussing things with you in a very rude manner of "I don't care about your opinion I asked you to vote, now vote and stfu"