Spiral Knights - I bet Three Rings shall NOT make beta-based PVP ever!

I bet Three Rings shall NOT make beta-based PVP ever!

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Sat, 08/06/2011 - 10:25

Orangeo

FIRST OFF: This isn't a place for arguing weather we should have it or not. The facts are allot of people wanna try it, and three rings is shouting "I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!" to anyone who asks why the put in bomberman. this fourm is for typing in "Yes, i think they will make beta-like PVP" or "No, I think they won't make beta based PVP"
SECOND OFF: this isnt a suggestions thread. I'm shure you have good ideas, but you can put them somewhere else. This is a Yes/No thread.

Onto the topic. I bet that three rings wil NEVER make the expected PVP mode with the same gameplay mechanics of the beta PVP or any Gate co-op. This is both an actual bet and a vote on wether you think they will do it or not. You guys are the voters, my bet is with three rings. If you manage to really prove me wrong and create what I, not you , I, consider MEANINGFUL PVP, then I'll do any stupid embarrasing possibly illegal thing you want, like I dunno, rob a bank, walk around naked. I'm that shure you guys won't work up the will to build a good pvp.

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 10:38

Orangeo

Also, I will be taking the

Also, I will be taking the number of votes and listing them occasionaly.

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 10:39

Dirt

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I doubt they will bring back

I doubt they will bring back the same PVP as it was because it was broken and people were more vocal about wanting a PVP that was more mini-game oriented, like what we got.

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 10:42

Madadder

ive always said traditional

ive always said traditional pvp cannot work in SK because of the equipment.

the only possible way to make it is to have pre-made pvp equipment balanced to pvp (in other words no Vog Cub, no Grey Owlite, no Levi Blade, DA, Gran Faust)

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 10:43

Orangeo

Not again.

This is Two noes.
Anyway, their job is to make it un-broken. herp derp. "Oh no, our PVP didn't work! Let's revove it then put in someone elses game!" This is why i said YES or NO, now youve got me started on the whole "three rings executives wake up after lunch" rant again.

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 10:46

Sturak

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Yeah, unless they have preset

Yeah, unless they have preset gear loadouts that people would choose from, the PvP would be dominated by those with "perfect" PvP setups.
It wouldn't be for the average player.

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 10:50

Orangeo

four noes (was typing as

four noes (was typing as monkey posted)
And you two, the same. Yes or no. And i never said use levi or DA. Prehaps they could do normal damage type weapons where you can pick a couple pvp only weapons, with equal but normal traddeoffs between speed and strength. This isn't a sugestions thread, prehaps you should respond and re-read this thread i posted monkeyman.
http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/19276

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 10:53

Prisega

PvP ISN'T meant for the

PvP ISN'T meant for the average player though. The PvP shouldn't necassarily be like the Blast Network where you can go in and spam your bombs to get lucky enough to win. I have to disagree with the OP though and say that they'll probably be working to balance things out for that brawling PvP and are just giving us things to take our minds away from it while they do so.

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 10:53

Richy

So your in favor of attack

So your in favor of attack button spam? Really thought that one well through.

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 10:54

dancinjen

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Ok, for one. They may have

Ok, for one. They may have ripped off bomberman, but they are doing OTHER things as well. They have said this OVER AND OVER. This is NOT the only pvp they will offer in game.

As for bringing pvp back like it was in beta. I don't think it's going to be exactly like in beta. I think they will have pvp gear specific for it. It will bring more money in. They'll probably have recipes and what not tokens, specific for it. So hold your horses and stop complaining about what it is right now and just wait.

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 10:58

#10

Madfruitz

This stuff never works in an

This stuff never works in an MMO environment, especially one with a pay structure that allows you to buy your way into the best gear; not only would the pvp be broken and stupid hard to balance, it'd screw the rest of the game up for trying. Enjoy the game for what it is and stop trying to make it something its not, if you want pvp play a game designed around multiplayer. (theres too many to count, from any genre)

Most of the time it boils down to the people wanting it being mad that they cant abuse their gear advantage - thinking about themselves and not the game as a whole (there was another thread the other day with some dude raging that he'd made 4327427 perfect pvp sets and cant use them, lmao)

Not every game has to have "arena" :)

All said they could add it with preset gear like blast network, but not only do i think it wouldnt be that fun; i reckon people would STILL whine cus you know, they cant use their gear. Its not really the pvp they want ;)

Guess i vote no!

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 10:59

#11

Prisega

I believe Lequack knows that

I believe Lequack knows that they're bringing more PvP but what is being stated is that these new modes won't and never will be the old PvP battles that the game once had. I agree though that we will have to wait and see what goes on before really counting anything out.

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 11:01

#12

Orangeo

Once again, Yes or no, and i

Once again, Yes or no, and i didn't say exactaly like the beta. I said losely based off beta mechanics. By that I mean I basicaly use the same controls, and the objective is to get preferable gear to kill people with. I didn't say they won't make new pvp games, I'm saying that they won't make what I was talking about. And I can't wait forever, I was honestly expecting good pvp with this update. I'm ocunting your post as a Yes since you said they were making new things, feel free to change your vite since you never said yes or no.

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 11:34

#13

dancinjen

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I wasn't talking to you I was

I wasn't talking to you I was talking to one of the people above me. And if I want to say more than just yes or no I'll say it.

You can't ask for opinions but not want them... it doesn't work that way. You asked and we're giving you our opinions. That is that.

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 11:39

#14

Trouser

Okay, let's bet.

5000 CE says they will implement deathmatch PvP with players' own equipment before the game goes belly up. Good luck collecting your winnings if you win, though. ;)

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 12:33

#15

Soulstaker

Someone with a DA will win

Someone with a DA will win that's why they took it out.

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 13:07

#16

Thrull

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I would recommend that you

I would recommend that you don't start a thread with a disclaimer about all the things people can and can't say in response. You may be the original poster, but you do not make the rules. This is a discussion forum. You will get a discussion.

I think that YES, OOO will eventually implement a form of player on player, equipment-based combat. However, what I think would make the most sense for them is to mimic something like DOTA, where PvE and PvP are mixed together. Two home bases, monsters from each team marching towards each base, players pushing their team's monsters towards the other team's base. Make things a little more interesting.

I think that NO, OOO will not implement a raw copy of the beta PvP mode. But that doesn't mean you will never get to swing your fancy sword at another player's head.

I spent some time watching a few beta PvP videos today. Combat devolves into either a rote swing-fest or a total cluster-****. They need to bring something better than that to the table, which I hope they will do. OOO has displayed a lot of talent in mimicking other successful game types.

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 16:39

#17

Orangeo

First off, I see what you did

First off, I see what you did there Trouserman. I see. But I told you my bet was with three rings, and when I think about it, it's more of a dare.

Second off dancinjen; This is a vote. put your ballot in the box. I'm not saying don't give your blasted opinion, and I realize that you werent talking to me. I'm talking to you though. Ballot vote, this isnt a debate fourm. I'm only asking; Do you think three rings will create a pvp kinda like beta pvp but fixed?

Thrull: you said: You may be the original poster, but you do not make the rules. This is a discussion forum. You will get a discussion.
I know I will get a disscusion. It's gonna happen. I'm just trying to say that I wont try to put up any kind of entertiaining fight like I ussualy do. I'm not saying "you cant post that here" I'm saying "If you do, you won't have much fun". I'll count your post as a yes; becuase you only said no to the raw copy of beta, and that is certianly not what i want. Not that I'm encouraging pve-pvp, but it falls within the range of what I'm daring three rings to do. You said "...bring something better than that to the table" and that is precisely what I want. I want three rings to do better, and I get hated on. I fell like a tough parent, becuase I don't want my kid's to get C-es on tests or anything who get's yelled at purely becuase they has high expectations. The original gameplay is proof that three rings can do better. You don't see me going on cartoon-network dot com saying "You could make this better" or anything like that.

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 16:48

#18

RedFortune

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wat

You didn't even directly state that this is a poll. Also, people other than the OP will discuss the original topic with or without the OP.

You just discussed it with Thrull, too.

:l This is not intended as a flame, just pointing it out.

As for me, I'll just say YES to direct combat, but probably in the form of CTF/other objectives rather than a Deathmatch.

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 16:56

#19

Orangeo

"You didn't even directly

"You didn't even directly state that this is a poll."
I quote myself; "This is a Yes/No thread."
That makes it a poll. Becuase you vote. Yes or no.

"You just discussed it with Thrull, too"
Well yes, I did. Call the police. I'm just rying to keep down big chains of conversation.

Thanks or voting.

I gotta eat, I'll count later, unless someone else rises to the challange. :I

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 17:43

#20

Orangeo

All right, here are the votes

All right, here are the votes so far. Remember this isnt for if they should make pvp, it's for if they will. So someone could think "gosh I hate PVP, but i bet it'll get put into the game, I vote yes" or could think, like me, "I love PVP, but it's not happening, I vote no", or any sort of mix of those.
Teh votes are...
Five people here belive that three rings will eventuualy make SOME form of PVP LOSELY based off of BETA MECHANICS.
Six people, including myself, think that PVP that is simmilar to the beta will NOT be released in spiral knights.
That is all for now, please continue voting , I would prefer you just type " Yes they will make it" or "I don't think it will come out"

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 19:25

#21

dancinjen

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I so badly want to derail

I so badly want to derail this thread now just to be a troll.

Sat, 08/06/2011 - 19:43

#22

Richy

Personally I hope they never

Personally I hope they never put in traditional death match PVP. But it wouldn't surprise me over all the crying that they do it and it is the least played aspect of the game because it gets old after one match.

Sun, 08/07/2011 - 11:00

#23

Orangeo

Dancinjen, kiss my butt.

Dancinjen, kiss my butt. Codemister at least stays on topic, and I respect that.
Codemister, thank you so much. I've been trying to get people to post on here like you; just short opinion and a vote. I'm counting it as a yes, since you said it wouldnt surprise you if they put it in.
So, that's six to six, and dancinjen is a troll.

Sun, 08/07/2011 - 11:19

#24

Starlinvf

@Codemister13 : Not to

@Codemister13 : Not to mention all the grief associated with balancing equipment for PvP activities. In PvE, EquipmentA is never powerful enough, but as soon as its in PvP its over powered. And EquipmentB is just cheating.

Sun, 08/07/2011 - 11:29

#25

Bladestorm5

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Just because the type of PVP

Just because the type of PVP that was in beta, doesn't mean it will ever make it into the game, the beta is for testing new ideas, and maybe they tried it and decided not to ever put it in the game.

So my vote is no.

Sun, 08/07/2011 - 11:34

#26

Orangeo

"In PvE, EquipmentA is never

"In PvE, EquipmentA is never powerful enough, but as soon as its in PvP its over powered. And EquipmentB is just cheating."
Why not make pvp-only equipment. Give everyone the colboalt weapons or osmehting like that. Mabey also a torkia and an autogun.
Stay on topic, take a vote. The question isn't "will it work" it's "will it happen".
Thankyou for voting bladestorm.

6 yes it will appear and 7 no it will not.

Sun, 08/07/2011 - 11:44

#27

Evning

I dun care if its broken

I just want to whack people with stuff i lovingly made =[

even if i end up getting my butt handed to me =[

if a particular weapon is stronger then the others,
so wad, theres pvp-oriented gear and pve-oriented gear

if you go pvp with smthing not suited for pvp,
you get what you deserve.

i personally believe gears are not created equal and
thats the way it should be.

yea and i have nv played beta =[
so hold on the spices if this annoys you.
I am willing to admit i am not better then you ok?

since i never played beta i dun think i am eligible to vote =]
but i like both pvp styles and think they will make it soon.

Sun, 08/07/2011 - 11:47

#28

Orangeo

"if you go pvp with smthing

"if you go pvp with smthing not suited for pvp,
you get what you deserve."
I was saying separate PVE and PVP completely, making it so I cant use DA in PVP, but I can't use a PVP weapon in PVE.

"since i never played beta i dun think i am eligible to vote =]"
Everyone is eligable. It's not "should we have pvp" its "will three rings make it". It's just predicting, not forming opinions.

Sun, 08/07/2011 - 12:02

#29

Evning

@DrLequack

i am not against being able to have a separate, pre-set gear load out for pvp.
something like counter-strike source is fine.

but i still want to able to use ALL possible gears for PVP when i want to.
(including the ban hammer if they are so kind =p )
even if i become fodder, i would be a happy fodder
as long as i was able to wave my lvl10 proto gun around.

Its going to end up with everyone using the same powerful gear
unless SK introduce other alternatives that are just as powerful.

i predict yes.
i really hope they make it.

Sun, 08/07/2011 - 12:04

#30

Nodocchi

What do you consider as

What do you consider as beta-based PvP? If it just means players having the ability to kill each other using a variety of weapons other than bombs? Then yes. How it will be implemented is up to OOO but I wouldn't be surprised if they found a way to balance swords in PvP or just issued everyone standardized weapons like in the current blast network.

Now if what you were looking for was the Gran Faust/Divine Avenger lovefest people saw in beta where everyone brought in their best equipment, then probably not.

Also you're going to be more specific in defining what you consider to be meaningful PvP if you are making a serious bet. As it is, you can pretty much define your meaningful PvP as anything after the fact. OOO can release a PvP mode that is identical to what people saw you beta and you could say: "Nope, that's not what I consider meaningful PvP, what I wanted was to see all the players get turned into ducks and quack each other to death."

Sun, 08/07/2011 - 12:21

#31

Orangeo

Evning; "...SK introduce

Evning; "...SK introduce other alternatives that are just as powerful."
They'd all be equaly powerful. Torkia has slower swing, and lower combo, but more damage and reach, than a calibur. It evens out. Torkia has a front-only charge, but with high damage and reach, while calibur has a full-swing, but less damage and reach. Evens out. Use the same principle in PVP.

xiax;"Now if what you were looking for was the Gran Faust/Divine Avenger lovefest people saw in beta where everyone brought in their best equipment, then probably not."
I was looking for Anti-DA-GF PVP, So you're voting yes. Thank you :)

I guess in the original post I wasnt too specific, but I've already been asked to elaborate may times, so it should be in the other comments.

8 yes 7 no

Sun, 08/07/2011 - 12:45

#32

dancinjen

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I would kiss it but you would

I would kiss it but you would like it waaay too much. ;)

Anyways, beta pvp was a bit of a joke really. I played it with my guild when we were bored, or didn't have the energy to go to the clockworks.

I'm going to explain how pvp in beta worked.

There were three separate sections based on tier. You could only equip certain starred items based on what tier you were going to compete in. So, it really wasn't about who could afford the best gear because they weren't going to let people with 4 and 5 star items compete with people who have 2 star items. Things were MUCH cheaper than now so 5 star items were very affordable. The only things that were very expensive were materials (that's a different conversation of itself).

Now for the scoring, I don't remember the exact details of how many points you got for what so don't ask me that. I do remember That you got so many points for killing someone, then if you killed yourself everyone got points and you got points taken away. Every time you died you had points taken away. I can't remember if it was a percentage base of points I just remember like if the person in last place killed the person in first place they would get TONS of points. Like maybe even half. So it was totally possible to go from first to last... and it was possible to lose all your points from dying too much. Also, each tier had their own scoring board.

I liked how the point system worked then I thought it was a good idea and actually pretty fair.

As for the maps. Some of the maps were really cool. They would have heart regeneraters that you could stand on for a certain amount of time and get some of your health back. Which made for great entertainment when you're trying to regenerate your health and people are shooting at you and trying to kill you.

I think it could be tweaked a bit to give it an extra something. If they aren't going to do the tier based pvp like they did in beta then I would imagine that we would have separate gear for pvp. You want me to say yes or no to beta pvp being brought in now? I can't (won't) give you a yes or no answer. I think there will be similarities, I don't think it would be EXACTLY the same. It was beta for a reason, so they could improve it. I know one thing though there is no way they aren't going to give is some form of hack and slash pvp. They will give it to us, that would be silly when they entire community wants it.

Sun, 08/07/2011 - 13:57

#33

Oppenheimer

This is the most ridiculously

This is the most ridiculously pointless poll I've seen in my life.

OP, you're making an opinion based poll/bet about whether or not we feel they will/will not make a PvP based on a loose description of your own expectations. Not only do we have no way of proving anything we feel accurately matches what you hope for, we'd also have no good way of enforcing payment for the bet should you 'lose', and any attempt to try would make us accessories to any 'illegal activities' you propose we could ask for.

Not only that, this poll nets no valuable information whatsoever. The only thing it determines is the level of optimism the forum community has for beta-PvP, which no one can do anything with anyway. Neither opinion has any bearing on whether such PvP will be made in the first place.

Either OOO makes the PvP you want, or you get smug satisfaction that you're 'right'. You've already shot down attempts to have a reasonable discussion by limiting it to simple answers and short opinions. In fact, you've outright refused to listen to opinions counter to your own.

The only point to this entire thread is to provide a fake boost to your ego, as any answer for 'yes they will' means someone agrees with your desires for PvP, and an answer of 'No they won't' means someone agrees with your 'predictions'.

Pure pointless forum wank.

Sun, 08/07/2011 - 14:04

#34

Orangeo

ohgodmyhead; It's a blasted

ohgodmyhead; It's a blasted joke. Really, you think I'm going to rob a bank with no clothes on? You're not rational, and that's why I'm not going to respect you at all in this post.

You said;
"this poll nets no valuable information whatsoever. The only thing it determines is the level of optimism the forum commmunity has for beta-PvP"
And DHRRR that's what it's supposed to do wise guy. I was wondering how many people think it will come out. So I asked "how many people here think it'll come out?" Why wouldn't I?

Also said;
"as any answer for 'yes they will' means someone agrees with your desires for PvP"
No it dosen't. I stated that multiple times, becuase I didn't want them to get the wrong idea, and come in flames ablaze like you, Mr. Ego.

and then said;
"You've already shot down attempts to have a reasonable discussion by limiting it to simple answers and short opinions."
No, I said put it somewhere else. I talk to many people on many fourms. Ussualy about this. You just wanna come in and yell at someone, becuase YOU have an ego, not me. You want to repetadly belittle someone dispite the fact that you don't read what they write. Precicely WHY I said "YES OR NO ONLY". It was a pre-eptive strike at people like you.

You have the biggest "ego", and your post is "pure pointless forum wank."
Try reading what people say before you metaphoricaly shoot them in the foot. That's kinda the point of fourms.

Sun, 08/07/2011 - 14:08

#35

Orangeo

dancinjen; " You want me to

dancinjen;
" You want me to say yes or no to beta pvp being brought in now? I can't (won't) give you a yes or no answer. I think there will be similarities, I don't think it would be EXACTLY the same."
Well, of course it won't be exactaly the same. You seem to have what I meant by "loosely based off of beta". I'm counting it as a yes, but If you want me to not count it, just say so and I'll fix it.

9yes and 8no.

Sun, 08/07/2011 - 14:28

#36

Oppenheimer

You're funny.

Sun, 08/07/2011 - 15:14

#37

Orangeo

ohgodmyhead; Seriously, you

ohgodmyhead; Seriously, you just came in and trolled, like "wah wah wah, this is what i think, don't talk to me, waha wah wahh", and then basicaly don't reply.

And I've said before, I cant read anything you type ironbro fist, or as you would say "whut i cnt har u runon sntncz r kool"

Sun, 08/07/2011 - 15:22

#38

Oppenheimer

Of course I didn't really

Of course I didn't really reply. I already stated what i thought of this thread. Joking or not, nothing worthwhile will come of poll or bet, making it pointless; any answer based on your criteria as stated serves no purpose other than to please yourself, making it 'wank'. There's really not much else to say.

Sun, 08/07/2011 - 16:54

#39

Orangeo

All right, fair enough. Not

All right, fair enough. Not looking for conversation.

Sun, 08/07/2011 - 21:45

#40

PeterS

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@ DrLeQuack:

Were you looking for something other than a forum, then? You could start a blog.

Sun, 08/07/2011 - 22:02

#41

Goldmaker

I didnt read LOL

beta pvp :
Grand Faust and Setenza everywhere... and topics like:
-Grand faust is OP NERF PLZ
-Shivermist spam is so f@/* unfair.
etc.

Sun, 08/07/2011 - 22:43

#42

catofmany

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Beta pvp?

Dear god i hope no beta style pvp.

That's where the scum of a games audience goes. PvP.

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 09:04

#43

Orangeo

PeterS ;"Were you looking for

PeterS ;"Were you looking for something other than a forum, then? You could start a blog."
I was looking for a poll. Not really shure what your getting at, but vote please.

raton15, for the one millionth time, the question was "will they ever make it?" not "did is suck?" Vote please, and stop trying to derail, becuase it won't work.

catofmany, same to you, the question wasnt "do you want them to make it?" it was "do you think they will make it?" And I don't appreciate being called scum.

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 10:27

#44

PeterS

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@ DrLeQuack

Oh, what I was getting at is that it's frighteningly difficult to start a topic on a forum and then tell people not to discuss it. (This explains a bit of the backlash you may have observed!)

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 11:50

#45

z4t01

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the most simple way to make

the most simple way to make equipment based open/arena pvp is to create a whole new paperdoll for the pvp.

your PVE gear is your PVE gear, you go into the clockworks with it, you kill vanaduke with it, you sit in town with it.

but when you enter the pvp zone (whatever) then you are wearing your PVP armor, which has been carefully crafted by OOO to provide a distinct and unique set of advantages and disadvantages.

clearly just throwing players in to pvp with their clockwork gear is going to cause problems.

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 12:35

#46

Lycan101

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DrLequack seems to be

DrLequack seems to be suffering from a mighty case of the Captain Complainy Pants.

The sad thing is he doesn't notice he's not far off from a troll and just feeding into his ridiculous threads all across the board gives him more fuel.
Instigating uncivilized silly quarrels in a unsuitable enviroment...

It's like he spreading rumors about betting his boss has bad acne on his butt in the workplace cafeteria. With his boss actually standing next to him.

but go ahead and try the "OMG CENSOARSHEEP!!" attitude now.

as for your ontopic.

No. Bad LeQuack, no more fuel for you.

instead I will enjoy making metaphors about your silly threads throughout the boards to make people realize that they are wasting their time discussing things with you in a very rude manner of "I don't care about your opinion I asked you to vote, now vote and stfu"

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 13:01

#47

Jamini

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Looking at some of the beta PvP videos...

... the biggest problem with the Sentenza and GF were that three-fourths of the competetors were in full Vog Cub!

How do you expect to withstand a full, unblocked, hit from a shadow/normal weapon when you don't have the proper type of shield or armor? I mean, seriously, those same guys were taking 4-5 hits from divine avengers. It's pretty clear they either could not, would not, or simply did not consider that shadow damage would be very prevailant in PvP due to the general lack of shadow-resist armors used by the majority of the player base.

PvP in SK is perfectly viable as-is right now. Getting reasonable 4* (and even 5*) armor is not difficult, just time consuming, and once you have your armor/weapons, there is nothing keeping you from the top but (real) experiance. Unlike WoW and other MMOs, SK does not have a liniar level system: There is no hard cap keeping you from PvPing players who have been around longer. Even the difference between 4* and 5* gear is fairly minimal (In fact, 5* gear is inferior to max-heat 4* gear until it passes level 5-6) and the difference between 4* and 5* gear is roughly 2 weeks. (Assuming you can earn 5k crowns in a single T3 or jelly run on ME, it'll take 8 days to earn 800 CE, and another 5 to earn 25k CR. That's assuming you aren't runing the clockworks on CE, selling mats, or playing the market. In practice, it's possible to upgrade a peice of equipment in a day or two of playing. If you can solo FSC, you can do this even faster!)

The only barrier to equal PvP is the time you spend on your equipment. Aside from that, there is no real power difference between a 1-week player who bought CE with real cash, and an old beta player who can blow through FSC in thirty minutes flat solo. Just skill. (and UVs, but the new trinkets from PvP kind of make UVs much less important than they used to be. Plus there is no damge boost VS player UV... so the only applicable ones are ASI and CTR ANYWAY)

Mon, 08/08/2011 - 13:06

#48

Orangeo

"instead I will enjoy making

"instead I will enjoy making metaphors about your silly threads throughout the boards to make people realize that they are wasting their time discussing things with you in a very rude manner of "I don't care about your opinion I asked you to vote, now vote and stfu"

So your running around on fourms trying to push me around. That's trolling, you're smart. I should report you, but I'm nicer than you think.

"... the biggest problem with the Sentenza and GF were that three-fourths of the competetors were in full Vog Cub!"

So make Specific PVP only items, separate it completely from the rest of the game save for controls/movesets.

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I bet Three Rings shall NOT make beta-based PVP ever!