No more SURGE WEEKEND petition
Mi, 08/17/2011 - 16:06
No more power surge weekends. THey completely F up the ce market. Every time one of these stupid things are implemented it is the catalyst of a CE price inflation that is artificial in nature. Last time and this time it was done the CE market had been holding steady (consistently) and both times it was done it shot the price of CE up by 500-1k and the market does not naturally deflate.
No more power surge weekends, they are done to simply increase the cost of CE while LOOKING like doing us a favor.
Mi, 08/17/2011 - 16:12
#2
"while LOOKING like doing us
"while LOOKING like doing us a favor."
Oh! It's a conspiracy! OOO didn't have and ill intent.
That being said, I think it's safe to say that it does raise the CE price foofums. They could to beef up those CE lotteries to balance it out or something.
CE at 5.8 makes me nervous O_O
Mi, 08/17/2011 - 16:18
#3
@foofums
Giving 1/2 priced dungeons for 2 days indefinitely destroying the CE market stability we had is not what i would call 'doing something nice'. Misguided would be the best i could give it. But since it already happened just a few weeks prior, it would be hard to call it even misguided.
Conspiracy is too strong/nefarious.
I would simply call it...Calculated.
Thusly, i have created a thread wherein we the players can please request no more power surge weekends. They're awful for us.
Just be aware: THE POWER SURGE WEEKEND IS A WAY THAT CE CAN BE RAISED INTENTIONALLY AT ANY TIME.
Mi, 08/17/2011 - 16:20
#4
Power surge feeds them!
I doubt they will actually stop the surge weekends. Leaving aside the casual players (the bulk of the community) loves them, it also pushes the CE prices up, discouraging the market buy and making the actual Dollar > CE transaction more alluring.
Mi, 08/17/2011 - 16:22
#5
"I would simply call
"I would simply call it...Calculated. "
That's... what a conspiracy is.
I'd first start a vote for a way to drop the CE price and even out power surges. Half off UV NPC or item vendors or something, I dunno. When that is shot down by OOO or is implemented and fails, then it's cool to complain.
Mi, 08/17/2011 - 16:23
#6
shhhh, i like my powersurge
shhhh, i like my powersurge weekends :) Inflation be damned, i get to try for dauntless delver and put in ridiculous amounts of hours. Since i enjoy doing runs, I saw bring them on.
Mi, 08/17/2011 - 16:26
#7
Hm, you know, I did recall
Hm, you know, I did recall the prices going up a bit and staying up there until the birdsong co drawing came up, along with other updates mabye. Maybe that 1st power surge was just circumstantial.
Mi, 08/17/2011 - 16:26
#8
If you make enough durring
If you make enough durring the surge, then the higher prices are fine. But the surge last's two days, the inflation lasts longer.
Mi, 08/17/2011 - 16:37
#9
God, I hope I don't sound
God, I hope I don't sound like this guy...
CE prices go up because CE is cheaper to utilize, but it's not forever damaging the CE market. It'll return to 5k, I'm sure.
Now...
wait, nm. I won't get started in ANOTHER thread.
@Lequack (wink)
Mi, 08/17/2011 - 16:39
#10
Completely disagree! I like
Completely disagree! I like all kinds of events in MMO's, especially ones that give you benefits.
The CE market is player-driven, and while PSW influences it, it's the players who are responsible for it not the OOO. On the one hand it increases the prices of CE, but on the other, it brings back many less-active players and is a great opportunity to earn some crowns. It's basically a message from OOO to stop merchanting for a weekend and go delve into Clockworks with friends.
It is probably also a way of increasing CE costs by OOO, but it is one of the best ways of doing it (contrary to increasing crafting costs). I agree that it may disrupt the market, but it's barely noticeable to average players, while halved elevator costs give them way to explore/gain crowns.
To sum up - Thank you OOO, my vote for PSW every month
Mi, 08/17/2011 - 17:13
#11
i would be happy
to not see another powersurge weekend.
Mi, 08/17/2011 - 17:40
#12
jeburk, do you honestly not
jeburk, do you honestly not remember what happened the week after the first recent power surge? A jump of a few hundred CR, which then went back down?
Mi, 08/17/2011 - 17:44
#13
I don't have a problem with them
I enjoy power-surge weekends. I doubt it's intended to raise the prices; the devs would rather CE be closer to 5K, I'm told. The devs are just more interested in getting people to play, and so the event does that. The CE spike is a side effect brought on by having more money, obviously, but if you wait it out I'm sure it will go back down. No conspiracy, calm down.
Of course, that's what everyone has and will tell you (because it's simple and right). but in the hope that you don't actually convince the devs to stop surge weekends, I'll try to propose a compromise.
Combo a power-surge weekend with a CE sale, or even just a CE pack of sorts. That will counteract the inflation to a degree and bring in a lot more traffic and monies to 000. everyone wins, unless 000 has decided they don't like sales any more.
Mi, 08/17/2011 - 17:45
#14
I say let people with huge
I say let people with huge amount of ce to speculate, a mist tank is enough to go for 1-2 fsc/T3 runs per day. If you need u.v., you can always punch then, the higher the ce price, the more profitable it is to punch, relatively.
Mi, 08/17/2011 - 17:56
#15
I disagree
Possibly because I have purchased a fair amount of CE and don't really care too wholeheartedly if the price goes up much.
REGARDLESS! I think that the Power-surge Weekends are awesome and fun. We get lots of crowns yeah, but it also increases the amount of materials that are sold at the AH. Take the good with the bad.
And I agree with Volebamus, it'll fall back down soon here
Mi, 08/17/2011 - 17:58
#16
As much as I loved both PSWs,
As much as I loved both PSWs, I hate dealing with energy being so high. It ruins every other aspect of the game.
A small increase in energy price makes Clockwork runs significantly less profitable. For example, say 10 floors of grinding brings in 7k. Normally, that means 5k to pay for the CE costs and 2k profit. A 10% increase in the price of CE (to 5500) reduces profits by 25% (2k profits reduced to 1.5k).
Further, people tend to lay off crafting 3* and higher items until the CE prices are down. As such, reselling recipes on the AH becomes that much harder and less profitable.
The only people who benefit are OOO themselves, the very richest players, and the people who only use mist energy. And this third group is mainly new and very casual players.
The PSWs are really fun, but I doubt the profits garnered that weekend makes up for the inflation later on for most players. In the end, the game would be better off for the majority of players without the PSWs. Of course, OOO looks out for OOO and I can't blame them for that.
Mi, 08/17/2011 - 18:02
#17
jeburk, do you honestly not
jeburk, do you honestly not remember what happened the week after the first recent power surge? A jump of a few hundred CR, which then went back down?
It jumped by more than just a few hundred crowns, it peaked near 7k cr per 100CE. But, before power surge event was over, OOO announced the release of Vise/Punch were announced and that changed everything.
Power surge causes a short term excitement and a reason for players to come back, and a slightly longer bump in the amount of crowns floating around (and therefore the CE exchange rate) but it isn't big enough to have a long term impact.
Mi, 08/17/2011 - 18:25
#18
wrs1864, you shouldn't make a
wrs1864, you shouldn't make a claim that's easy to refute by referencing topics that actually stated what happened, especially when you were in that topic:
http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/15905
End of page 1, dated 7/15:
"6:00 Server Time
Energy price is still 6,500.
5:00-- 6,500
6:00-- 6,500
Difference: 0"
And don't even bother stating the 7k high, that was as best a fluctuation made obvious by the fact that most players never saw it go that high during the event. It stabilized at 6500cr midway and went to 6400cr after the event. Earlier than that it was around a little over 6k. So yes, it was just a jump of a few hundred crowns.
And crediting Punch with the cost not going higher? Really? We didn't even know how much they were gonna cost at that time, along with the fact that Vise was tagging along, which costed CE.
Mi, 08/17/2011 - 18:35
#19
No More!
No more Free Updates, they completely fudge up the forum threads. Every time one of these stupid updates are implemented it has been the catalyst of more complaints that is grievance in nature. Last time and this time it was done the forums raised more complaint threads.
No more updates, they are only creating more complaints while looking like they are doing us a favor. Why would OOO need an event to raise CE prices when a GM can simply conjur up imaginary crowns to offer ~6k to 8k per 100 mist energy units. Just wait it out and...
... this is the story of how I became a SUPER SAIYAN.
[edit] Sorry, I couldn't help myself :D. I do enjoy these power surge weekends and was hoping for maybe power surge Wednesdays as not many people have time on the weekends. I believe there can be a compromise for the CE problem instead of eliminating special events.
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Mi, 08/17/2011 - 18:35
#20
wrs1864, you shouldn't make a
wrs1864, you shouldn't make a claim that's easy to refute
Yes, the person making those updates promised to keep updating, but they stopped once the price started to go up. It hit 7k on saturday morning. Look on the next page of that thread.
Mi, 08/17/2011 - 18:42
#21
wrs1864
Yes, the person
- wrs1864
Yes, the person making those updates promised to keep updating, but they stopped once the price started to go up. It hit 7k on saturday morning. Look on the next page of that thread.
wrs1864, you shouldn't make a claim that's easy to refute. Again, 7k was a fluctuation. From the second page of the topic:
"Mon, 07/18/2011 - 15:32
Jodokall
And now CE prices are over-inflated, at least last I checked this morning. over 60 people asking for 6500 and roughly 10 people willing to pay ~6250."
Also, 3rd to last post:
"Mon, 07/18/2011 - 16:13
Eradicats
... despite the fact that the price of CE is staring me right in the face. 6429 crowns."
Mi, 08/17/2011 - 18:56
#22
Monday was after the power
Monday was after the power surge was over. Also, the price of CE was, IIRC, down around 6.2-6.3k before the power surge was announced, and then went up. I remember thinking that I thought that starting the price tracking right before the start was a little deceptive, but I didn't think it was worth a post. The price was near 7k for a fair while on saturday, it wasn't just a fluctuation.
Mi, 08/17/2011 - 18:59
#23
I love the fact that a while
I love the fact that a while ago I remember seeing alot of posts saying that they should do Power Surges more often, and now that they are doing them more frequently everyone is complaining...nice.
Mi, 08/17/2011 - 19:22
#24
Rummaging through posts, if
Rummaging through posts, if actually requested I could post the link to where someone mentions the price of CE being around 6k before the event was announced, and if I recall correctly, it went to 6.2-6.3k the Thursday before the even actually occurred. Also, if the price was 7k for a good amount of time, there would've been more doomsayers who mentioned that, and I certainly would've noticed it as I was participating too, but not the entire day on Saturday.
As far as I searched, I only saw that topic to have posts that cite the 7k peak. And even then, 2 posts only after the fact at the weekdays following.
. . .
EDIT:
If you really want to prove me wrong, go ahead, I'll make it easier. The following links contain the topics (as of this edit posting) that were created 2 days before the July power surge weekend (July 14, a Thursday) to 2 days after the event (July 19, a Tuesday). You can of course toggle through the pages or change the page number directly to navigate as you view topics in the "Date Created" order.
7/14: http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/forum/1?page=32&sort=desc&order=Created
7/19: http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/forum/1?page=27&sort=desc&order=Created
Aside from the topic that was referenced several times already, there was another that had a Facebook page about how energy was at a price of 6700. That was at 4am Saturday morning EST, and no other references I've seen cite energy being so high during Saturday, especially not the 7kce claimed after the fact.
Mi, 08/17/2011 - 22:06
#25
Srsly?
So the market jumped a few hundred crowns, big whoop, I'm doing runs, buying ce with profit and repeating and still coming out with profit even while the prices are on the rise.... Its not that big a deal, its not like ce suddenly became an insanely high price. Not to mention that Three Rings is a COMPANY, they need to make profit somehow. I personally have no issues with paying a bit more whether it be crowns of real money to keep Three Rings afloat
Mi, 08/17/2011 - 22:26
#26
Why does everything always
Why does everything always have to be a conspiracy theory?
Mi, 08/17/2011 - 22:51
#27
Eventually, it will not be
Eventually, it will not be profitable enough to farm crowns with CE... just like Vindictus and their Crimson/Platinum Tokens. Nobody buys Crimson/Platinum Tokens for that reason unless there is new content. My expectation is that CE will continue to rise until it reaches 12k Crowns per 100 CE, and events like this will speed it up.
I quit Vindictus after all of its free boat ride event. The game was getting repetitive for me, and the limited playtime after the free boat ride event made easier for me to quit.
Spiral Knights isn't any different. It is getting repetitive, and my playtime is being limited as the crowns per CE increases.
Only Difference: Vindictus is to God of War, and Spiral Knights is to Zelda.
Mi, 08/17/2011 - 23:32
#28
Who cares, at least its not
Who cares, at least its not at 6k and it'll go down eventually, enough people start to demand more CE per CR the more the prices will drop. If it bothers you so much stop buying CE and play on your ME until it goes down so you can hog it all up once it drops again.
Mi, 08/17/2011 - 23:56
#29
Hear that OOO stop doing
Hear that OOO stop doing anything, as that will change the E market. But OMG if you don't add new content everyone will leave. *Panic*
Or it's just a game, enjoy, More Power surge weekends, I was able to use my Mist energy to give a free T2 ride to someone new to T2.
NOPE.
Gosh. This must feel like a punch in the face to the devs. They try to do something nice, but I guess people will always find something to complain about.