Energy prices are fine!
Mon, 08/22/2011 - 07:41
We keep buying it, they keep selling it! Isn't it great? The free market rules. You can even make a fair profit by watching the rise and fall of the prices carefully! But I digress, people will always argue on this topic, even though I'm not sure where the "manipulating the market" thing comes from. So I'll just agree to disagree on that point, no real point to arguing in my opinion unless OOO decides they are losing too much of a player base to compensate, at which case, they will step in, and not before.
That said... those of you who do not wish to flame me at this point could learn a few things on maximizing your gaming and minimizing your complaining by reading forward a few more sentences.
1) ASAP, get the gear to start doing Royal Jelly runs (I will concede to say getting the first set of 2* can go slow since you can't afford CE easily in T1). But once you are able to do the run, even nerfed as it may be, aside from "end-game" T3 runs with a good party or guild, it's the most consistent and easy way to earn heat and crowns. If you get lucky and join a party that's near depth 12, even better, more profit per energy cost.
2) Wait for arenas (and graveyards). Look at the gate maps, and choose a path that has the most arenas, and if you're willing to wait for them, they will pay off. That said, by this point (along with JK runs) you need to be good enough to do any T2 run without dying, at least without dying to anything except those rare "whoops got cornered" moments.
3) Plan out your day. If you need to use 200 energy to craft your next item, and you've used up your mist energy for the day, wait until the next day when you've a full bar of mist energy to cut 100 free energy off the price of your item. Likewise, if you're like me, and have a job, plan your crafting before you go to work. That way, when you get home, you'll have gained more mist energy to play on.
4) Watch the trends in CE prices. If prices are going up, rather than saving your crowns, invest in CE. That way, when they top out for a few days, you can sell them for a profit, rather than waiting and needing CE then, and having to pay current market prices.
5) Get better. I can't over emphasize how important it is to make a good impression with good players. You get invited into boss levels more frequently, and often group up with better players that quicken the time it takes to complete levels. While this doesn't directly affect your CE usage, it can, in that once you network with the right people, you can get invited into groups at better places, finish hard arena levels easier, and maximize your heat gain per energy.
6) Don't forget, OOO is adding crown driven gameplay as well. Right now it's only the measly Blast Network, but in time, I predict we will have 3-5 different games to engage in that will give you something to work torwards when you run out of crowns.
This is my 2 cents. -grabs popcorn and awaits flames and lessons on economy-
Mon, 08/22/2011 - 08:05
#2
Everything looks simple on
Everything looks simple on paper, of course.
Mon, 08/22/2011 - 08:18
#3
yeah like quantum physics,
yeah like quantum physics, the dude is right and anyone saying he's not is a moron.
Mon, 08/22/2011 - 08:22
#4
you're wrong, you can't wait
you're wrong, you can't wait for graveyards.
Mon, 08/22/2011 - 08:34
#5
Well, you might actually be
Well, you might actually be able to if you had some before hand knowledge. If the mystery cycle is actually a cycle and not completely random then you could estimate when there is a graveyard.
Mon, 08/22/2011 - 08:41
#6
Either way you can choose the
Either way you can choose the gate map paths that put you in a more likely scenario to get a graveyard, is kind of the point, why I added it in parenthesis instead of outright posting about it. GY for crowns are the best levels in the game, so it felt like I should at least mention it. But... semantics over substance in most arguments on mmo forums. :)
Mon, 08/22/2011 - 09:36
#7
Finally!
BRILLIANT! Uhg, finally someone who is actually smart who makes a energy topic.
*Joins in Fly's clap*
Regards,
~Rangerwill~
Mon, 08/22/2011 - 11:04
#8
Lol, a game should not be
Lol, a game should not be like the stock market, where you short sell your stocks or whatever. It should be a game where you can finish with all the gear you want in a matter of at least a month or so, not years. Only way I can see you making real money is if you have like a 1,000,000 crowns and then investing and if you wait like 2 months or more between 3000cr to approximately 6000 cr, the gains you realize when you risk a little arbitrage. If I wanted to do that, I'd like a stock market simulator game where I use fictional money based on the real stock market. And who knows if we're going to see ce prices go down to 3000 cr. Do you expect us to buy now at approximately 6k and seller later for 8-9k crowns as the number of players rises(not that it will, new entries will be screwed). The question is, do you see yourself playing this in 2 months, and would you use the 100,000 crowns to forgo equipment? I don't know if people have that kind of patience. And if you're going to argue about waiting and short selling at least provide concrete numbers.
Just because you're one of the few that is comfortable with already gotten the things you already want, doesn't mean it's right that all the others struggle. And if you are short selling you are basically helping the sellers get the higher prices they want for their energy, as you have potential to bring the prices up as you are potentially one of the top bidders for energy.
And I'm not sure how frequently short selling happens in this game compared to the real world. Lots of people seem to have more wealth and it seems to happen more frequently in real life than this game. It seems to take forever to get the amount of crowns since it's about 2 or more runs to get 100 ce, and you can't do anything with it but save and wait for market prices to drop to at least 3k(since 7k seems to be the highest; guessing most players got all their gear at this point; but then again at these prices, you still see a lot of beginner Spiral armor at the courtyard and elsewhere), which would be improbable, but we'll see in 2 months.
Mon, 08/22/2011 - 11:31
#9
Deconstructing Ranzo's post:
"Lol, a game should not be like the stock market, where you short sell your stocks or whatever. It should be a game where you can finish with all the gear you want in a matter of at least a month or so, not years."
--This is simply one opinion. It also happens to be an opinion that lacks understanding of how game economies and mmo gear progression works.
"Only way I can see you making real money is if you have like a 1,000,000 crowns and then investing and if you wait like 2 months or more between 3000cr to approximately 6000 cr, the gains you realize when you risk a little arbitrage."
--This is silly and I'll explain why: I bought some CE before the power surge because I knew prices would go up during and afterward. I bought it for 5176 per 100. I can sell it right now for 5800. That is called making money.
"Just because you're one of the few that is comfortable with already gotten the things you already want, doesn't mean it's right that all the others struggle."
--The beauty of this open and free market is that it isn't subject to the desires and whims of the average player, or even whiners and complainers like you.
"It seems to take forever to get the amount of crowns since it's about 2 or more runs to get 100 ce."
--I personally did T2 runs today and used up about 90 mist energy. It netted me around 6k cr not counting recipe sales, and I revived a couple times and didn't pick my gate paths as carefully as I normally do. If your argument is about T1, then sure, whatever.
"you can't do anything with it but save and wait for market prices to drop to at least 3k"
--Yes, if your profits per run are low, you will have to save up for longer to craft or whatever. Guess what? It's okay! That's how the game is DESIGNED. If you want gear faster, simply purchase the CE with real money!
--Final note: stop complaining and actually read aydenu's post. You might actually learn something and improve your Spiral Knights experience!
Mon, 08/22/2011 - 11:34
#10
Hey me and another economist
Hey me and another economist are are watching as well, you sound like your on roughly the same page. i'd like to talk in steam chat to confirm and bounce idea's. my in game name is hotsoup steam is hotsoup77
Mon, 08/22/2011 - 11:42
#11
another whiner who wants to take advantage of other players
yes, that is you Ranzo.
by the way, buying and waiting for prices to (hopefully) rise before selling is not arbitrage; that's investment.
you do not have to be an economics major or adept at finance to play the game; you just have to be willing to grind or if you want the freedom of not being constrained, buy CE w/ real $.
IF you want to play completely free and self-sustaining, then understanding economics and taking advantage of it will help you achieve your goals more quickly.
Understand how to price FAIR MARKET VALUE of CE, before arbitrarily declaring that CE Prices are too high or unfair.
A rough estimate would be (Avg Yield of Crowns by the Avg Player + Value of Time + Value of Materials) / 100 CE; this is BREAKEVEN / Equilibrium
If the current price of CE is below this number, expect CE prices to rise until it matches this value. If it is above, expect CE prices to decline.
A sudden shortage or surplus of CE will affect the short term price of CE, but it will revert to this price.
CE Prices may have been lower because a) players didn't understand the value of CE at the time and sold it at a discount which YOU likely took advantage of. (if so, be FAIR and return them the Cr to make them whole). b) players were less efficient at collecting Crowns in the Clockwork, and now with better equipment they yield more; hence the value of CE has risen.
Mon, 08/22/2011 - 12:11
#12
Uhhhhh none of this somehow
Uhhhhh none of this somehow becomes any different dependent on energy prices, everything you mentioned is less profitable at the moment because energy is around 20% higher than it used to be. You can't really tell people hey, stop whining about energy prices and do WHAT YOUVE BEEN DOING ALL ALONG
JK run at 5k cr/100ce; about 2k profit
JK run at 6k cr/100ce; about 1k profit
(barring tokens, and these arnt exactly precise..but the point is its significantly lower)
What would you say to people if ce was 7k+? The only people making profit by actually PLAYING the game at that point are people using just their mist; the only others making profit are those who already have silly amounts of CR
Im not going to make any silly claims about market manipulation and such (though people buying at 5800+ x100 arnt really helping, greed..) but you cant honestly think telling people to "go run jk" and other such rubbish is some kind of magical fix to coping with rising CE prices.
Once runs are no longer profitable we have a massive problem; afterall whats the point if people arnt diving through the clockworks and would rather log on, craft then log off again? barely making 1k or so per run is turning me off running anything already outside of mist, its a damn shame
Mon, 08/22/2011 - 12:50
#13
anyone who has read any of
anyone who has read any of ranzo's other posts no how to ignore them.
Mon, 08/22/2011 - 13:26
#14
You can't ignore problems
You can't ignore problems like you can't with illnesses. Just because you find disagreement with me does not mean questions aren't warranted an answer. As for my earlier post you called babble. I'm just simply pointing out the examples, personal ones of my own tying in opportunity costs with a severe bug with the game that takes away your time, a bug, mind you, that is no fault of the player. You do know that's part of economics right?
Mon, 08/22/2011 - 13:21
#15
Pretty much all the players
Pretty much all the players that I trust now do nothing but craft, including most of my guild. I'm not doing that simply because I have alt income working for me too, and then I transfer funds/CE/gear/etc. As it stands, I've slowed down on the gameplay and am far less apt to burn CE for gates, as i'm also far less apt to make enough on non-JK runs to break even.
It's sorta lame. I have more crafting to do. Luckily I'm running out of items I want to build.
I guess this is the economy of the game. When it gets expensive, play less. If it's too expensive to get a modest profit from 60 mist, wait until you have 100. If you can't make profit with that, spend the mist on crafting instead. If you can't make a profit on crafting...well, quit I guess.
Mon, 08/22/2011 - 13:30
#16
Prices very high i agree.
Prices very high i agree. Inflation has come. Thats more like some life-parody than game now -_-
Need to do some kind of vote on this forum or it simply useless to talk with all of them....they already have fundament and do not want to lose it, so they want to be at the top and saying such wisely comments. But problem is here - need money for their wise ideas....
Mon, 08/22/2011 - 13:52
#17
I find the prices to be high.
But if they grow, they grow. I'm not gonna really complain about it. Instead I'll struggle for more crowns to buy ce with. It's in game money for things other people spent REAL money on. You think it's unfair pricing when crowns are infinite and have no cost and ce isn't completely infinite and has a complete cost to get it? Look, you gain in game money and buy already paid for energy. If it increases it isn't really a problem. It just makes it more valuable in some way or another. It also means more work and if you can't do work in a game then you're the laziest person in the world to not put effort into something that doesn't require as much effort as the most effortless thing in the real world.
Mon, 08/22/2011 - 13:53
#18
what i don't get
granted, i'm pretty much set now. I have numerous 5* gears, numerous max UV items, and a wealth of crowns saved up. (and i got to this point playing the bulk of my in game hours during the 7-8k per 100 ce times.) but again, granted, i found a few loopholes in the system during steam weekend, and never had to worry about such things again.
But. BUT I SAY. This complaint about the cost of CE vs advancing in the game, even when CE was over 7k per 100, i found that put you about on par with the advancement of fully heating up an item to 5* level 10--this while doing jelly runs and not killing the king. Yes, it was-and is- a slow and arduous, grindy, process. But it syncs up pretty well time wise.
1. Make 4* item, it bankrupts you on a CE/crowns perspective.
2. Grind it to lvl 10 so you can upgrade.
3. During this process, you have earned enough profits to buy the 5* recipe and the 800 CE.
4. Make 5* gear, bankrupt again!!
5. By the time you've heated it up to lvl 10 and maxed it out
6. you've earned enough profits to start working on the next item.
Lastly, you look around the game, there are no lack of 5* players, and basically very very few people who have been playing the game over 6 months. So advancing in the game, and at a decent clip, is very doable, as its happening every day. I understand new players complaints, and the seeming mountain they see before them. But really, you pick up momentum as you go. Just keep plugging away. It'll happen quicker than you think it will.
Mon, 08/22/2011 - 13:54
#19
So you're going to post in
So you're going to post in every energy thread you can find now.
I never paid a dime for the game. I have almost all the gear I want/need. It takes a long time, but it's easy. Do it like I did, and stop whining all over the board.
Mon, 08/22/2011 - 13:57
#20
XD
A poor attitude is a greater handicap than any physical disability.
(or in this case, a greater handicap than any high cost of CE)
Mon, 08/22/2011 - 14:01
#21
Er...
Just to avoid confusion, I was direction that at eocron. I was posting right after his, didn't think mine would get "intercepted." :\
Mon, 08/22/2011 - 14:01
#22
Happy with prices that's 6k
Happy with prices that's 6k for 100 ce?!
Mon, 08/22/2011 - 14:45
#23
@ gerry
I'm very happy with these prices! I would love it if CE was 8k per 100. More whiners would quit the game or buy CE, both would be helpful.
Mon, 08/22/2011 - 15:13
#24
What a ridiculous thing to
What a ridiculous thing to say; you'd rather people quit out of frustration than enjoy the game? incredible.
Mon, 08/22/2011 - 15:23
#25
it's true, higher prices make
it's true, higher prices make for more progress on weapon heat. It's not exactly AWESOME, but your gear ends up heated at a more useful time in their build.
Mon, 08/22/2011 - 18:49
#26
@ ALL
IF You do not like the cost in crowns, OPEN UP UR FRICKEN WALLET AND PAY YOU CHEAP SKATES! Stop crying for the love of GOD!
Mon, 08/22/2011 - 20:01
#27
...
6) Don't forget, OOO is adding crown driven gameplay as well. Right now it's only the measly Blast Network, but in time, I predict we will have 3-5 different games to engage in that will give you something to work torwards when you run out of crowns.
This. We already see the space for "Lockdown" which will almost definitely bring with it some interesting new weapons (just as Blast Network brought some useful trinkets with it). We have yet to see Sleep re-emerge as a status which can be inflicted on players (when was the last time you saw a sloom?) or by weapons (wouldn't you love to lay a Chloroform Bomb?). Or maybe even a sword that can do pure elemental or shadow (unlikely, but it would look neat). The game still has room for improvement, and although demand for CE is certainly high, the demand for crowns has yet to rise.
Mon, 08/22/2011 - 20:08
#28
@moogzor
"What a ridiculous thing to say; you'd rather people quit out of frustration than enjoy the game? incredible."
Nope, I didn't say that. I'd rather people stop complaining about a decently designed system that is doing its job well. For people who don't like the cost of crowns, the original post of this thread offers SEVERAL helpful tips. Freakin' read it before complaining.
Mon, 08/22/2011 - 21:17
#29
They're general tips for
They're general tips for making CR, it doesn't really have any relevance to the inflation of CE prices; nor does it provide any way for players to counteract it (read: you cant) you could employ everything stated in the op (most already do); it doesn't change the fact that you're making significantly less than if CE were lower.
Now, i'm not hating on the system either HOWEVER it does irk me when people get all defensive and mad at newer/f2p players who just want a reasonable way to make money without having to grind for ridiculous amounts of time. Try seeing it from the other pov for once; people just want to enjoy the game - and despite how fun it can be to dive, people eventually get tired of making to little to no profit from their runs..having to wait for obnoxious amounts of time for the most profitable levels, running JK palace again and again and again
It's "alright" now, but i think you'll find most people who're annoyed by the current price of CE are more worried about it rising to a point where diving isnt even worth it anymore and they're resigned to crafting in haven
I love this game and want it to thrive, you've no idea how many new players would get turned off from this game if CE got much higher. It already happens and CE isn't exactly through the roof right now..players want to play a bit before they decide its worth making a monetary investment and they straight up cant. Again, put yourself in the other sides shoes
Mon, 08/22/2011 - 21:33
#30
"They're general tips for
1) Tips for making CR = tips for getting more CE.
2) The point isn't that you're making less now. The point is that the current state of the energy market is fine.
True. However, you must keep in mind the purpose of this game. It's a casual f2p game. If someone wants it to be something other than that, the easiest route is to pay for energy.
I'm not entirely sure this is true. A new player starts with 100CE and by the time they get to Haven they have most of that left plus 2 mist tanks. This gives them a good amount of play time before having to pay real money or log off. Sure, they aren't self-sustaining yet, but they're on their way. At this point, they log off, create a forum account and post a new thread about how the whole energy system is ridiculous.
Mon, 08/22/2011 - 22:06
#31
I would rather see people
I would rather see people quit than complain all the time. I look at this like a MMO, and pay the 'standard' fee of $15/month for MMO's. I found I didn't have to pay past a couple of times, as I can be self-sustaining. You whiners quitting would make a ton of things more enjoyable for me as well as others.
1 - No beggars
2 - No OOO is a conspiracy threads
3 - On-topic forum posts, not crybabies
4 - The clockworks filled with people that understand the value of work, and hopefully teamwork (higher quality players)
5 - If I choose to sell CE, which I don't, I won't have to read forum posts about 'unfair' prices. I broke out MY wallet, why should I give you MY CE for less?
6 - Better lag response, less freeloaders clogging the servers, more bandwidth for me!
See, it works both ways. Lrn2Spiral Knights
Mon, 08/22/2011 - 22:46
#32
wow....now I have to say something
"4 - The clockworks filled with people that understand the value of work, and hopefully teamwork (higher quality players)
5 - If I choose to sell CE, which I don't, I won't have to read forum posts about 'unfair' prices. I broke out MY wallet, why should I give you MY CE for less?"
How about this....take your elitist navy-field mindset and go play that damn game, guess what OOO gives more care to new players then you oldies, why?
because your done, used over with, you don't have a very high glimmer to pay in, your at the end, you can live off of all those crowns you don't need to spend on gear. so really to OOO, your the failure of the system and once all you and your elitist "5* everything" guys can live off of crowns alone, your the freeloader.
oooh ahhh you paid in enough to get there, now you don't need worry about CE...making you in turn useless to OOO... they want new players to keep giving them cash, why do you think they aren't adding new content that cost CE or crowns ATM....hmm lets use the noodle here.....wait....they don't give a crap about you, they don't care about end-game....they don't care if you have all 5*.....
the only thing they care about is the new guy who gives them a fresh source of money.
so complain all you want captain ELITIST because if all the new players dried up, you just blew that money on a game that will shut down faster than a fat man eating turkey on thanksgiving!
Mon, 08/22/2011 - 22:57
#33
Guys, remember the posts that
Guys, remember the posts that called us cheapskates and the review they would've possibly agreed with here stated in it's tagline if there were not that many complaints about ce:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/pc/625993-spiral-knights/reviews/review-147650
Tue, 08/23/2011 - 01:08
#34
Ok prices very high and thats
Ok prices very high and thats simpy mathematic.
I earn around 6000cr/day. To make 4 stars gear i need CE and some money to recipe and +2000 for craft
Let see how it looks, that formul.
Market price for ce = 6000 + (500cr/10 days)*t
so it looks > M= 6000 + 50*t
i need to make this 4*400 ce + 12000 for each recipe + 2000 for each craft
so it looks > (400*M/100) + 12000 +2000 > 4*(6000 +50*t) + 14000 > 38000 + 200*t - thats for one item upgrade from 3 to 4 stars
Complite form to know how to find time of my congrats:
6000*t = 4*(38000 + 200*t)
5200*t = 152000
t = 30 f**ing days to get it with that rises-prices that becouse of that much people simply CAN NOT GO DOWN ^_^
Tue, 08/23/2011 - 01:10
#35
I see I struck a nerve. Have
I see I struck a nerve. Have you paid anything? Of course not, you're here in a thread complaining about high CE prices, if you have paid, and for some reason want to give all these people your CE you bought with hard earned money, be my guest, place offers at whatever you think it should be.
I don't care what OOO thinks of me, where did that come from? Lrn2Control your rage.
They also just added Bomberman and the variant/unbind smiths, where do you get that they are not adding stuff ATM? You can't put out quality content overnight.
I also never said what my equipment was, where did I say I was at endgame? Because I paid a few times doesn't mean BAM i'm 5* tomorrow.
Calm down son.
Tue, 08/23/2011 - 01:27
#36
Arena is much like slide show
Arena is much like slide show for me ^_^
Tue, 08/23/2011 - 01:47
#37
Who said your SUPPOSE to
Who said your SUPPOSE to break even when you do a tier run? Your not, more then anything its just how the price of energy worked out. It's good enough that we're even ABLE to trade in-game currency for currency bought with actual money, don't be so entitled.
On topic yeah the advice works fine, it's what I did when i first started the game, hoarded CR to finally purchase CE. It took a long time to even get enough to start breaking even but it happened. If you wanna do more then one run a day then buy some energy.
Also T3 is considered end game, of course you won't be able to get armor ready for it anytime soon.
Tue, 08/23/2011 - 02:04
#38
If you can't even make enough
If you can't even make enough energy to get to Tier 3 then obviously the challenge of Tier 3 will be too much for you so obviously there is no point even in trying to get there in the first place. The ability to conquer the CE/CR market is a hidden, virtual requirement for accessing Tier 3.
Tue, 08/23/2011 - 02:14
#39
That ability hiden behind 2-3
That ability hiden behind 2-3 months earlier game thats all ) If you create new account you feel our problems )
Tue, 08/23/2011 - 02:21
#40
QQ some more, i've been here
QQ some more, i've been here when the CR/CR prices were 7200CR for 100CE and didn't whine like you. Suck it up already.
Tue, 08/23/2011 - 02:27
#41
Oh no you're having to work
Oh no you're having to work for your gear, how could a game make you do that?!
Tue, 08/23/2011 - 03:13
#42
energy prices are not fine...
100 CE should be traded for 20K crowns... now that is fine =D
Tue, 08/23/2011 - 03:08
#43
On the other hand...
My "no
On the other hand...
My "no $$$ allowed" alt is already filled with three star equipment with 1 ascended calibur. :D
Damn it took a long time for the alt to get there, but it feels so good to finally know what it's like being a part of the totally F2P playerbase. Yes it feels "grindy" and takes a long time, but that's an MMO for you.
Tue, 08/23/2011 - 03:33
#44
-_-
Ok, firstly, I detest being called a whiner.
Second. I also detest being called a cheapskate. I'm freaking 15 years old with parents who DON'T LEAVE ME MONEY! Even if I HAD money, I'm not one of those obsessive players who like to spend real money on something that is fun just to give me a virtual edge. Sure, I need it In-game. But once I use it, it's gone. Not even like how food goes. You eat it, you get nutrition.
If people want to sped money on this, whoop-de-doo for them.
However. I'm finding it increasingly difficult to sustain my player. At the last CE price of 5900, I only JUST managed to break even with a using little mist and some with some CE leftover, AFTER I bought the CE with cr.
I only recently gained the skill and gear I need to survive a T2 round more often than not without dying. I get around 5-6K a day from clockworking, and I don't have time to incessantly game for hours on end. If anyone says 'that's your problem', then whoop-de-freakin-doo once more, least I'm not as obsessed about games as those who DO marathon this.
Either way. I estimate that this game will get INCREASINGLY harder to sustain a character, because CE prices will continue to rise cuz people want to make profit. Eventually, CE prices will be so high that it'll take 12K or more just to get 100.
By then Spiral knights will effectively become a game that is only fit to be played by the obsessive gamers who can be bothered to spend actual money on this JUST to keep their player loaded with CE. Most of which they probably won't need anymore.
It's bought with FREAKIN REAL MONEY! Is there a Cr/$ exchange market? NO, so there is no relation to buying CE with real money, and selling it to make 'profit'. People whodo that just take advantage of the high demand/price of the CE to make big in-game bucks, at the cost of those who now have to spend WEEKS getting enough ce to make a 3* weapon, due to the fact they need energy to get into the clockworks, revive, gates, get the recipe, buy the CE, incur the cost of transmuting...
It' takes me weeks anyway, due to my limited time, but that doesn't trouble me. What troubles me is the constant incline of the CE prices. Everyone jus wants to make cr off those who are scrambling around like ans to get their characters up to T3. All of you people who are laughing at us for complaining about how screwed we are are the kids with the magnifying glass. You guys just like to see others who can't do what you can burn.
Not everyone is rich enough to be able to just throw away cr left and right.
Work for our gear? I don't have a problem with that. Having to work 50 times more than necessary, Then I have a problem.
I know it's not there yet, but its getting there.
Yeah, so it went up to 7200. You probably didn't complain cuz you couldn't be stuffed. Why would you be? When you already have everything you need all in-front of you? Or at least MOST of what you needed. Assuming you don't have the gear, you probably had a couple of bucketloads of cr or ce for whatever you may need it for. How convenient for you.
Try a real-life example. If you work, then get taxed on your profits, then you wouldn't complain. Much.
If they begin to tax you MORE than what you gain, then you start to complain more.
If however, you already HAVE all you need, are retired and don't need to work, and have all the money you could ever need should anything go sour, you would have no problem whatsoever and just whine about how everyone else is whining about not being able to sustain themselves.
Beating the game being too much of a challenge ^_-? Challenge is fine. It's supposed to make you try harder to get there. Getting you to rage-quit is NOT the point.
You'd rather see people quit than complain? How shallow are you? (btw, you insult me, I'll just insult you back.) If they didn't want feedback, why would they have forums? Anything about bugs, glitches could all be put into technical issues and all that. They want more feedback to make the game better so more people play! And the more people play, the more spend their money!
Of course I don't expect end game status anytime soon. Hello? End-game? Your life is complete! You have finished Spiral Knights! What, at the cost of HOW many dollars and days?
It's not like spending the money gets you anything but satisfaction of being ahead.
Either way, like I said, there is nothing to compare the price of REAL money with cr. Ce was sold at 5-5.8K NORM when I got here. That's how much people used to be willing to give it up for. Eventually it'll get up to 10K. It's already on it's way there.
So now what? You've completed the game and now just sit on your private mountain of cr and CE while you laugh at the people who couldn't get enough cr, ce and better gear while prices were in the 3-4K? Or just came late, where prices had gone up to 6K a snap?
You people are heartless...I hope you fail in real life, seeing as you are already successful enough in the digital wolrd, and are content to just sit around and mock those who weren't as fortunate as getting the good stuff while it was there.
Yeah you had a hard time before with the game, but they fixed it for you. 22K for ce before? What do you know? They lowered it. 7200 before steam? Oh would you look at that! They lowered it again.
Also FYI, I'm getting my gear. Slowly but surely. I can get there in time, and am already on my way. I'm just commenting how people like you who laugh at misfortune of others makes me sick.
It also makes me laugh. I'm only 15. Many of you seem so much older than me. Yet I seem to have a better grasp on kindness and all that than you do. Sure, you may say it'll get me nowhere in the business world. It doesn't have to. I'll make my way. I won't have to cheat, backstab and fight tooth and nail to get the the top. Or make money off the needy who already scramble for a living, and make their lives more of a hell.
Your words reflect your type of person. And from what I can judge, I'll be a better person than most of you whining-about-the-whiners will ever be. Screw being the better businessman. I'll leave the dirty brawling for cash to you leeches.
Tue, 08/23/2011 - 03:41
#45
Hey!
I'm 13.. so i win =P
Tue, 08/23/2011 - 03:43
#46
"you leeches"
F2P players are
"you leeches"
F2P players are the leeches, so yeah, pot kettle black.
Tue, 08/23/2011 - 03:47
#47
I'm supposing you didn't read my post...
Whatever. Winning is all in the mind. Who's to say a loss is not a victory? You win at losing. Laugh all you want, you opinion is only that. YOUR opinion.
Heh. Pot kettle black eh? Right back at you. You're leeching off the players who work overtime at this game cuz they feel like it, sapping the cr it's taking them forever to get. Why? For your own virtual not-actually-worth-anything profit.
Shot to the ground. *poof*
Tue, 08/23/2011 - 03:52
#48
Who's to say a loss is not a
Who's to say a loss is not a victory?
The winner.
You win at losing.
That's the logic of a loser.
[In case you can't tell, I'm joking.]
Tue, 08/23/2011 - 03:53
#49
Do you have a youtube account?
Where you rant in front of your webcam? I would subscribe to it in a heartbeat. =D
<3 A 13 Year Old Boy
Tue, 08/23/2011 - 03:59
#50
"You're leeching off the
"You're leeching off the players who work overtime at this game cuz they feel like it, sapping the cr it's taking them forever to get. Why? For your own virtual not-actually-worth-anything profit."
The difference is that i'm not a 15 year old teen without an allowance whining about virtual things and saying basically "three rings is evil with their money sapping ploys". I don't belittle the paying playerbase like you do. And don't come back up with "you've stacked before blablabla", please, thats really low. Are you really _that_ jealous of my micromanagement skills?
*starts a slow clap*
Now, if only we could drill this into every player's mind.