There is no basis to say CE prices will rise to 10k or 12k. Trying to emotionally charge the issue to win the argument might work to rally a bunch of ignorant players into making more baseless demands; but it hardly helps in finding a workable solution.

Yes, we understand you would like to advance more quickly and not have to pay real $ for it. But that's the point, if you want to leap ahead of the curve, you need to spend real $. This is how OOO makes it's money. Otherwise, learn to be patient and grind. Most of your parents do it when they go to (real life) work. Ask your dad if he'd like to have a ferrari convertible and a bigger house; and he'd say you bet. But you don't see him complaining - why do the car makers and home builders make these goods cheaper. It's not fair, I don't want to work until I'm 80 to own a ferrari...

Hard to be patient when your in the 13-24y old range. We all want our 'luxury' now, but few in life can afford it. Get used to it.

The fact of the matter is people paying for energy want the biggest return possible for their investment, which is fair enough BUT the way most of that "crowd" treat non paying players is frankly appalling to me. I really urge people to try and see it from both sides

i haven't paid a single cent on energy and i get by just fine.

In order to craft a single piece of 5* gear, it will cost 8,900 crowns + 1,450 energy + material cost + recipe cost

For a player who doesn't have all the recipes, it will cost 48,900 crowns + 1,450 energy + material cost.
Using up 100 mist energy per day running the depths usually nets about 6,000 crowns and a ton of materials, so materials are already provided when the player run for days getting enough crowns to afford the 5* gear.

When it was 100 ce = 5k crowns
A 5* item used to cost 81,400 crowns + material cost + recipe cost

Now at 100 ce = 6k crowns
Now 5* item costs 95,900 crowns + material cost + recipe cost

--For the player who is making their first 5* gear
Before it will take the player 20.2 days to get one piece of 5* gear
A 5* set (weapon, shield, helmet, cap), it will take 80.5 days. About 2 Months and 21 days.
Now it take the player 22.7 days to get one piece of 5* gear
A 5* set (weapon, shield, helmet, cap) it will take 90.6 days. About 3 Months and 1 day.

The price of ce increased by 17%
The cost of creating a 5* gear increased by 17%
The cost of a creating a 5* gear for the first time (buying the recipe) increased by 11%
The difference between before and after in obtaining a set for a new player that doesn't have the recipe is 10 more days of earning crowns.

gimme this gimme that - i don't want to work for it.

on 100 Mist a day and i have NO lvl 5* equip, just 3-4* equip - i can pick up 6-10k Cr / day if not more.

i've been playing this game for less than 2 wks.

instead of complaining about energy prices making you actually have to work for your equip, why not just complain why OOO doesn't just players wish for the equip they want at no cost. it be fun to hack and slash all the levels with the various combo of cool equip at your disposal.

it's funny to post in a thread named "Energy prices are fine!" only that CE price is still going up and don't have any intentions on going down #loltheirony

Thats how you are. Are the rest of us like you? Thankfully not

Have you ever played a game then got stressed because you couldn't get any further? No, because you don't really care. ou think being able to spend money on a game makes you any better? That just means you can get ahead. Even those who got here early got the CE and whatnot while they were at a lower price, and so don't need to care about how long it's going to take them.

So you think we, the free players are the leeches? Think again. This game is labelled as F2P. Those who wish to P2P just cbf to wait for months to get all they need. Peope spend their time bought cr to buy your real bought CE, so thats supposed to be fair trade. When however, you decide to jack up the prices to take advantage over the constantly high demand to make even bigger profit in-game, THAT is leeching. All you do is sit back and wait for people to buy your CE so you get instant cash.

I din't say we were looking for cheap ce. We are looking for CE that won't rip the fun out of the game by taking away all that we made with our own time, just to give it to those who find themselves superior.

People will ALWAYS need Ce. Yes, freemarket rocks, but when there's no subsitute, and people will just keep pushing the cost up, then it sucks.

"Its just like Facebook games. @.@"

Hmm...what do you know....your right, no wonder no one likes the damn things more than a month, but they just keep re-skinning and spewing out more of them for the initial bucks they get till they are bored a month later.

hey OOO start working on Knights of Spiral, your time limit on this game may run out sooon, AHHHH!!!

"seem to think it's a great idea to skyrocket CE prices to see other squirm."

-You don't seem to understand that the higher prices is not a conspiracy against F2P players. It is simply the market regulating itself.

Listen, your hatred toward paying players doesn't make sense. If I buy 7.5k CE, that is 7.5k CE that I am not paying for with crowns, thus lowering the cost of CE by lowering the demand.

I'll break it down for you real simple: I hypothesize that if everyone bought CE with real money, CE prices would go down because people wouldn't need it. Your rage against the paying players should be directed at the F2P people. They're driving the cost of CE up by paying loads of crowns instead of real money.

"Then greedy people like you will just take the opportunity to make as much profit as you can off the ones who play F2P."

-Again, there's no greed involved here. Just the market. Stop attacking people because you can't have everything your way.

It IS free to play you get 1-2 hours of play with the 100 ME you get, you can do what I or any other person do and hoard the CR you make on a run and buy CE with it, you can play this entire game for free if you WORK FOR IT, we're lucky enough that we GET TO EXCHANGE CROWNS FOR CRYSTAL ENERGY. It allows non-paying players to play at all so yes it is a free to play. Now you're just calling people greedy and getting mad because a few people decided to say some unsavory things.

@shrinkshootr It's so nice to see post like yours :3

we have established there is no greedy people here.

I still believe everyone is greedy.

but what you haven't established is in fact it is not free to play, especially since we have to rotate CE around from players, inevitably it is really free-to-play-from-another-persons-wallet.

"Free-to-play-from-another-persons-wallet" is still "free-to-play" from the perspective of the free-to-player.

let me say this to both sides to remain a neutral center, both sides need each other, CE buyers need the crown free-farmers to make crowns, and vice verso to get CE. But the prices are getting jacked up, so inevitably we both will suffer, free player won't be able to afford CE for at-least 2 days of waiting through mist or more as the price climbs, and CE buyers won't be able to sell it cause no one can afford it. So frankly both sides should be looking at this problem as an equal front, we're all getting screwed :-)

Not entirely correct. CE sellers get more crowns for their buck, which encourages $$$ to flow into OOO's coffers.

CE sellers (the ones with $$$) need the crown farmers, true. However, there are many more crown farmers than CE sellers.
Guess what, high supply of crowns = devalued crowns vs CE exchange rate = CE prices go up.

If say, 30% of the F2P'ers goes away, the price of CE will go down because there's less demand for CE AND less crowns to go around.

Look, this may all seem to be to the detriment of the F2P'er, but keep in mind this game thrives on the money of the people putting $$$ into this game.

The high energy prices proves:
1. hell this game is popular
2. people need to put more money into this "F2P" game

and really the factor that screws us both is mist and the limitation on crowns we can make in a day because we can't mystically make crowns without energy.

And that keeps the economy in check. Do you want to play Maple Story where your only option is to buy (horribly devalued) in-game currency through illicit channels ("gold sellers") and the money DOES NOT go into the developer's pockets? In Maple Story, you can grind money to buy gear from shops, but that takes an eternity thanks to the horribly devalued currency. Do you want to instead kill a certain monster for DAYS until the weapon you need which is a rare drop comes out? If your weapon sucks against that monster, then you are totally S.O.L.

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By the way Naruchico, with regards to your earlier post, MMO's are always full of grind. :D

Sure, you complain about people complaining about the high energy prices. Don't forget, it's your P2P class who stuck the price up there to start with. The F2P players are either going to 1) live with it then rage-quit later. or 2) Complain.

Critical thinking my ass. You don't have to intentionally raise the price to see others suffer. That was an exaggeration on my part. You peopl just raise the prices because demand is high, letting you get more cr for increasingly relatively less CE. (Yeah, I don't have any figures to back this up. Use logic of increasing prices.)

I have twisted logic? Now you REALLY can't complain about me insulting you. You guys are the ones pulling the punches here. I'm just responding in kind.

Jump off a bridge eh? Seriously...how old are you? Old enough to feel justified to be able to tell an adolescent to commit suicide? Who's twisted now?

FYI I have no hatred for P2P players. Just the ones that rage about those who feel the need to express their exasperation over how digitally screwed they are. Also, I'm not one of them.

So you're content with your gear. Well good for you. Not everyone is you genius. Some people will order McDonald's instead of Burger King. WHO REALLY CARES?

Like I said earlier. Your opinion is JUST. YOUR. OPINION. You don' speak for me, likewise I can't speak for you. Don't assume you speak on behalf of many other people who are in a similar boat with you, because you may find that the boat is leaking, and empty with no-one but yourself. (FYI, this is just an example. Don't rage at me for it's use, because again, not everything I say is literal or direct.)

And how would no P2P players increase the CE price? If you think REALLY hard about it, you'd realise that OOO has nothing to gain from that but your time. They have other ways of making money, this isn't their only income source. They probably WON'T raise prices ridiculously high in order to persuade people to buy CE with real money, cuz that won't help either, seeing as the new P2P player will just ride with it, using the same prices already in the market to sell.

mutualistic? If prices keep going up, it won't be mutalistic. There is NOTHING that will help to bring the prices down. You say the market will. How ca it? When there is a constantly high demand for ce? This isn't the world market, there are only 2 things being traded in here. So long as CE demand remains up, which it will, you will still be able to sell it for higher and higher prices. The only way the Ce price would be brought dowmn is if P2P players sell it for less, or a F2P player who stockpiled tonnes decided to sell his stash for lower prices.

Ultimately, the Market price is controlled by P2P players. YOU sell the CE the WE buy with cr, and no-one will actually care about bringing it down. Why would they? No reason.

In regard to Naruchico, I apologise for rashness and less than 'savoury' words. However, I reserve the right to complain about the other posters hostility. I read the earlier posts, and the first mild attack was by pooter. it just escalated from there.

If you REALLY want to stop the whiners, then Make a thread on your own explaining what you think and you hints or whatever, and leave other people to comment on it. BTW, also leave out your rage comments. It'll only get worse if you do.

Funnily enough, the OP predicted completely correct. *clap*clap*clap*

but what you haven't established is in fact it is not free to play, especially since we have to rotate CE around from players, inevitably it is really free-to-play-from-another-persons-wallet.

I totally understand what you're saying, and it's a valid point. You could make the argument that because everyone gets mist, it's free to play, but you can't craft anything past 2* with mist. Technically, it's still free to play, you simply won't be able to play very far into the game; this gaming model does rely on players, somewhere, somehow, paying for CE with real money. Looking at other F2P games, though, it's mostly in line; most other things I see severely limit/gimp you if you choose not to pay (some don't, I know).

But the prices are getting jacked up, so inevitably we both will suffer, free player won't be able to afford CE for at-least 2 days of waiting through mist or more as the price climbs, and CE buyers won't be able to sell it cause no one can afford it.

Nope, that's when the price would drop. That's just how real markets work: supply and demand. If the price gets too high for the taste of the general playerbase, demand falls while supply remains relatively the same, and the price falls back to levels where people are okay with purchasing more. Where exactly that level of "I'm okay with this" is debatable; it varies for each person.

and really the factor that screws us both is mist and the limitation on crowns we can make in a day because we can't mystically make crowns without energy.

That limitation serves several purposes, two of the most important are 1) it helps keep inflation down, because if people could make infinite crowns with no restriction, you'd have CE prices so high 6k per 100 would sound like heaven, and 2) it's a way to attract people to pay for the game, which in turn, as we've mentioned, helps actually support all the F2Pers like myself. It's not quite the broken system that screws people over as much as people make it out to be.

Don't forget, it's your P2P class who stuck the price up there to start with.

You still don't understand economics. There was no price arbitrarily decided upon by some CE-purchasing committee, and anything being sold is worth only as much as what someone is willing to pay for it. The price is a result of both the CE sellers AND the buyers. If the sellers tried selling at 10k and no one bought it, the sellers would undercut each other until someone starting purchasing the stuff. Conversely if all the buyers were fine with the price and wanted to purchase more than buyers could give them at the same rate, prices would rise as CE buyers outbid each other for the energy. Stop coming back to this "conspiracy" nonsense, it's juvenile.

You guys are the ones pulling the punches here. I'm just responding in kind.

I'm not quite certain who you're referring to by "you guys."

Jump off a bridge eh? Seriously...how old are you? Old enough to feel justified to be able to tell an adolescent to commit suicide? Who's twisted now?

I'm 23. And if you've never heard that turn of phrase before and chose to take it literally, let's say I was being polite and giving you a nicer version of "go screw yourself." Your misunderstanding and rage at the situation is being projected onto the wrong things, and THAT makes me angry.

So you're content with your gear. Well good for you. Not everyone is you genius. Some people will order McDonald's instead of Burger King. WHO REALLY CARES?

The point was that it's entirely doable to reach endgame and/or get good gear just by playing for free. A point you seem to have completely missed.

Like I said earlier. Your opinion is JUST. YOUR. OPINION. You don' speak for me, likewise I can't speak for you. Don't assume you speak on behalf of many other people who are in a similar boat with you

This statement is as equally obvious as it is stupid. Of COURSE it's my opinion, why point that out? Some things of my post are not, like how the market actually works. That's simply factual economics. And never did I assume to speak on anyone's behalf but my own. Your incredible use of unnecessary capital letters and accusations is leading me to believe that you're angry that someone else doesn't agree with you.

mutualistic? If prices keep going up, it won't be mutalistic. There is NOTHING that will help to bring the prices down. You say the market will. How ca it? When there is a constantly high demand for ce?

And you still don't understand economics. This is getting entirely frustrating and painful, like I'm trying to tunnel through a brick wall using only my skull. There is a balance between F2Pers and P2Pers. Price goes up too high = nobody buys CE = much lower demand = price falls back down (assuming supply remains constant). Price goes too low = everybody buys CE = much higher demand = price goes back up (assuming constant supply). Too many people buy CE with money = supply up = price down. Nobody buys CE with money = supply down = price up (assuming constant demand). How are you still not getting this? It's incredibly basic. Is there something you're not telling me that I don't understand or I'm missing? Because if your opinion on the market was actually correct, which it isn't, prices on the market would be insane right now. Far, far higher than a measly 6k.

Ultimately, the Market price is controlled by P2P players.

Ultimately, we've established that this is entirely wrong. Twice. In this single post alone. They ride the same market waves that we do. If they controlled the market they'd have CE prices set at a crazy amount of crowns to get the most bang for their buck.

If you REALLY want to stop the whiners, then Make a thread on your own explaining what you think and you hints or whatever, and leave other people to comment on it.

It's been done ad nauseum on these forums, and ignoramuses like yourself keep coming back and posting threads like this (inb4 you incorrectly think I just accused you of making this thread) without understanding economic principles, and then everyone rolls their eyes and groans amongst each other "it's THIS again..."

BTW, also leave out your rage comments. It'll only get worse if you do.

You're raging far harder than I am. And the only "worse" this thread can get is if people constantly complain about the prices, still, without understanding anything about markets, like yourself. So far I've only seen you as a one-trick pony: "the CE buyers control the market! it's a conspiracy! they're screwing us, the F2Pers!" which is, for the millionth time, incorrect and absurd. Naruchico, on the other hand, made the good (and correct) point that the game's financial model relies on the fact that people will pay for CE, and I'm with him on that one. It's not how I think the game should be handled, ideally, but so far it's working itself out.

*after reading bananafish's post*

Thank you, bananafish. See, valkeryie, this guy just said the same thing I did (didn't read it until i was finishing writing this). I don't have an issue with people that don't understand things, we all need to start somewhere. But when people start raging and complaining and criticizing things without fully understanding them first, and then start generalizing and making accusations of greed and calling out stupid conspiracy theories, well...you mentioned me, in another thread, as "there he goes again, insulting people." I don't insult just ANYONE. I insult stupid people.

The way I see it, if I can make a daily profit of say 100CE on a 10E/floor and 100CE/6kCR getting me at most 10 free floors on ME, then I would see the same profit if the cost to do a floor was 5E, the cost for 100CE was 12kCR. I'm bad at economy, so maybe I'm wrong.

Nope, you got it. This assumes, though, that you're only using the CE for floors; you're judging the worth of CE to yourself by how much you can do with it in levels. We're not taking into account the energy costs of crafting stuff, which remains constant.

In other words the f2pers get to have 2x the play time, and the p2pers get a comparatively larger "speed boost" to t3

Right again. As I said before, it's all about the old phrase "everything costs time or money." You either trade time for money (free to play) or you pay money to reduce time (pay to play). I'm free to play solely because there is nothing for me to do but work towards obtaining gear; I know that once I have everything i want, I'll probably stop playing. In the interim, though, it's entertaining.

Hmm, but I'd assume OOO would adjust the prices of crafts and stuff accordingly such that the game feels exactly the same, except you have to do twice as much diving to get CR but you get twice as much free time to do so. Again, you can skip *all* that time with money, or you can play lots :]. It'd only make those with limited real-life time rage……

S you think I have NO understanding of economics. Fair enough really. I'm still learning.

But I think YOU don't get MY point. There will ALWAYS be demand for CE. Players NEED ce to craft above 3*, and most players are probably either there or higher. Like you already mentioned, all it takes to get cr will be time. Whether people want to buy it or not, that question hardly need answering. Exactly HOW many people play this game? There will always be people who will be willing to shoulder the higher prices, and so the price is able to continue to rise.

Unless by some random miracle player all decide that the price IS getting ridiculously high, then just stop buying ce altogether, THEN the sellers will lower their price.

But just how long will that take? Already people have complained that the price has been up to well over 10K before, any reason it shouldn't again?

Being polite my ass. Sarcastic most likely, and the only other phrase I have heard of that kind was 'go jump in a lake.' Oh and before you say, 'fine it was sarcasm, don't get your knickers in a twist', or something to that effect, sarcasm comes from Latin meaning 'to tear the flesh', so it's still an insult.

You keep saying that I speak about conspiracy. Never in any of my posts had I ever even USED the word conspiracy until now. No conspiracy, but if you want to interpret me saying that P2P players are screwing us over, then fine. Like you said, people can only sell for what people are willing to pay for. And since people will ALWAYS need ce, then there will ALWAYS be buying players.

The ce prices aren't ridiculously high, because they are creeping up. Someone can't just stick up a price 2K above he current price and hope for a buyer, all he/she needs to do is put higher prices just a few more cr above the highest price, then as players buy their way though the cheaper offers, it will slowly rise.

Fine, I rage. Only because I'm pissed off at your habit of insulting people. And BEFORE you say that you don't, just insulting a CLASS or even a GROUP of people is still insulting people. In that big thread alone, you have already called me specifically an "ignoramus", Other than referring to how others are stupid

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I'll also take the moment to mention I have NEVER made a thread complaining about energy prices, perhaps commenting on how a price reduction would be nice in reducing time it would take to get my gear up, but not more than that.

@ bananafish :Ok, now you're just making generalising accusations as well. Haven't I already said that I'm working on getting my gear the long way? I'm not complaining that it's probably going to take me a few months. And that's just me. There is probably at least a minority of other F2P players that are content with the time it'll take to get better gear as well. If you want to generalise, then say 'most'. Right now your use of the word F2P is definite, total and final.

Both of you...at least one of you is supposed to be an adult. And here you go trading insults, jabs and opinions like this is parliament an you are politicians. WORSE even. Drag me into the same category if you wish, I'm just getting pissed off at the people who decide it's ok to call people stupid, ignorant among others just because. The minimum age is 13. Not many people have ANY understanding of economics at that age, and some people who are probably 10. (To which you'll say it's their fault for playing under-age.)

You say I don't understand. I DO understand your concept of the trading waves. But this isn't real life. There are only 2 things in this market, and no efficient alternative. you say mist energy, but people need more than that. In the real world, if ice cream prices go too high, then people will go and but cold drinks and vice versa. Players here can either buy ce or just not, the latter of which they'd rather not do.

Somewhat off-topic (or maybe quite off-topic), most public schools, at least in the US, begin the next school year next week (+ or - 2ish weeks). Given that there are a fair amount of pre-teens (illegal, but out there) and teens playing, the survival on mist is not terrible at all. It might deter away those who expected a quick rise to the top (good). Even if it doesn't become survival on mist, those in school won't be as eager to play all day simply because most weekdays they can't.

Analyzing economies in controlled fictional environments is very useful for my MBA. :D
I also have a full-time job, 1 paid acount and 1 alt. I craft when I can't play to help destroy crowns.

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Oh, and before I forget, SK's economy is trying to be a free market, but it fails because some, especially new players, do not have "perfect knowledge".

The perfect way to describe this is "newbs zerging the buy energy button", as stated in other energy threads. This then is still a valid demand for CE, and a precedent for rising energy prices still, no matter how other more knowledgeable players "fight the power".

If these zerglings have more knowledge, then perhaps they won't buy for a while and let the cr/CE exchange rate improve.

When Valkyrie graduates from college x years from now; he will be the cheapest employee. I will offer him the allowance his dad gave him when he was a teen in high school for pay.

He will be the LAST person to gripe about low pay and why he should he be paid higher now that he knows what his actual value is. He will be happy being paid his teen allowance as compensation for his work and never demand a pay increase.

He is going to lead the crusade to rollback people's salary to their pre-college days. He's going to be the employer's best friend. People who get paid more post-college he's going to accuse of being greedy and trying to take advantage of the employer.

hahaha-

We ALL care about CE Prices. But those who know how to work around CE Price fluctuations is going to be less affected by high CE Prices than those who know only how to hack and slash and don't want to bother with the economic portion of the game.

Sounds like one of the things I never see (mostly because I browse over them) is people mentioning those that no longer craft or spend Cr on ANYTHING. There are some who, once properly armed for various "raids, never craft further and simple re-do dungeons, while spending the money they make on more CE. I did this for the longest time, and to be honest, CE prices never got so high that I couldn't buy more after just ONE JK run. That said, assuming you do the same with Vanaduke runs or other dungeons, you can pretty much play FOREVER for free.

I do like how somebody else pointed out the supposed demographic of most CE complainers being little kids. That or people who don't earn a paycheck. Now I realize I may be unwillingly insulting some adults who end up having to spend their whole paycheck on their kids, family, living expenses, etc., but that's something that nobody here can help them with.

Anywho, I've normally don't hear about CE cost problems from adults. Most of them that I've spoken to are either too busy doing other things with their valuable time, or they have some pocket change to spend on crafting CE costs ($2.45 for 750 is actually pretty cheap). Little kids without online accounts or who expect 000 to not make ANY money whatsoever should probably stop whining about something that's not gonna change. Plenty of other games offer the same business model (City of Heroes and WoW included). The game's still a good deal, and if you don't like it, make your OWN game (Java, C#, Lua, XML, PHP, and C++ books are relatively cheap and most IDE's are free).

TL;DR:
Game is still a good deal and little kids need to stop showing their age by complaining about insignificant CE prices.

Also I just woke up and haven't eaten yet so BLARGH!! to you if this sounds ridiculous.

But just how long will that take? Already people have complained that the price has been up to well over 10K before, any reason it shouldn't again?

We don't know; as I already mentioned, what price is considered "too high" varies from person to person. When you take the entire playerbase into account, it's impossible to tell. There's no reason it SHOULD go above 10k, but there's no reason it SHOULDN'T either. The price will drop if and only if there are more sellers of CE than there are buyers at that price, and as the price goes up, fewer and fewer people purchase CE at that price at large quantities. The price will not spiral upwards out of control unless people stop purchasing CE with real money.

Being polite my ass. Sarcastic most likely, and the only other phrase I have heard of that kind was 'go jump in a lake.' Oh and before you say, 'fine it was sarcasm, don't get your knickers in a twist', or something to that effect, sarcasm comes from Latin meaning 'to tear the flesh', so it's still an insult.

Your comprehension skills are incredibly lacking. When I say that "go jump off a bridge" was a more polite way to say "screw yourself," that MEANS "I chose a less potent insult for you over one I could have used." And then you imply I'm trying to make it sound like I didn't insult you? No. It was an insult. You are the definition of Captain Obvious.

You keep saying that I speak about conspiracy. Never in any of my posts had I ever even USED the word conspiracy until now. No conspiracy, but if you want to interpret me saying that P2P players are screwing us over, then fine.

You didn't HAVE TO SAY "conspiracy" anywhere, it was implicit in your rantings, meaning you talked about what the definition of a conspiracy is without ever saying the word. You keep raving that CE buyers purchase CE and rip off F2Pers (not possible, btw) by "setting the price high" as though there is some hidden agenda where a bunch of CE buyers get together and arbitrarily set the CE price at whatever they want. That's the opposite of what happens, and they only sell CE to those willing to buy it at that price, which brings us back to the first point of this post. A CE seller can set the price of his energy at 10k but never make the sale. There is no "monopoly," CE sellers compete with each other for sales as much as buyers compete for purchases.

The ce prices aren't ridiculously high, because they are creeping up. Someone can't just stick up a price 2K above he current price and hope for a buyer, all he/she needs to do is put higher prices just a few more cr above the highest price, then as players buy their way though the cheaper offers, it will slowly rise.

And now you're starting to get it. This is absolutely true, but keep in mind that as prices go up, it takes more crowns, and therefore longer, to buy CE for a F2Per. CE sellers are just as impatient for transactions as anyone else, so when the price gets high enough (I would guess at some point below 10k), and the number of sellers remains the same, there will be more sellers undercutting each other than people outbidding each other for the energy. Thus, the price falls; people simply wouldn't be able to purchase the energy QUICKLY enough to make it rise any higher, because it would take more than a day's playtime to get 100 measly CE.

Only because I'm pissed off at your habit of insulting people.

As I said before, I don't run around making fun of anyone and everyone for the hell of it. I insult stupid people because of the stupid things they say or do. I understand people make mistakes, and so do I; but a lot of stupidity goes beyond that, and that's when I take off the gloves.

And BEFORE you say that you don't

And there's this again. I've made it clear several times who I've insulted and why. Derp.

just insulting a CLASS or even a GROUP of people is still insulting people.

Captain Obvious strikes again.

In that big thread alone, you have already called me specifically an "ignoramus", Other than referring to how others are stupid

......Yeah, I freaking did. You want to know why? It's because ignoramuses are people who don't know what they're talking about, but act like they do. I can tell you're getting a little better as time goes on, but the first two thirds of this thread has posts from you ranting about things of which your explanations for ranting are totally incorrect. I ALREADY SAID THIS, but it bears repeating: I don't mind if people don't know about something, we all don't know things. It's when people don't know things and then embark on a crusade (in this case, like yourself, regarding the economics of SK) without fully understanding how or why things happen, but flinging baseless and incorrect accusations ("CE sellers are ripping off and taking advantage of F2Pers") and making imperative statements about things that simply are not true (even though you believe them to be).

Essentially, I'm telling you that when I come across someone that complains and/or criticizes without getting their facts straight, I call them out for it.

you don't follow analogies very well do you.

the point was that just because in the beginning CE prices may have been in the 2k range; but that could be because the game being new, people didn't have an understanding of the actual value of CE. But once players got a better idea on the amount of Cr they got from Clockwork runs/100 CE they had a reference point from which to base their trades on. As time progresses the price of CE naturally gravitate towards it's actual value.

The only thing that's even slightly problematic in this economy is that crowns are all but worthless to any endgame player.

Really it's a surprise CE doesn't cost more; it's child's play to get 10k crowns from a T2 run.