To OOO : Bad idea to taking control of players completely for the sake of your income

37 Antworten [Letzter Beitrag]
Wormyli
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alright so here's my 2cents.

each update you guys make the game much more harder ...is ok to give a certain amount of challenge but not to the point over do it.

i meant what the hell is you guys problem when you put ice +shock mix devil retrode + robo arena in all floor?

having [what in tarnation] load of turret is already bad enough now you make ppl die left and right every single floor with those unavoidable [my goodness me] combination effect

flooding the place.

how about you just put 100 robo in there so we have absolutly no chance of survive since we cannot move at all?that's the same as what you trying to do

now no?make us die more so you make more money.

having currently already known glitch not fix while keep making it harder for player to get thou.ppl will realize its too hard to play and you will just lose

customers.main point on a game is for players to have fun not for player to get piss off coz they keep dying from unreasonable setting .

and you guys clealy on the latter already.

[EDIT: Keep the language clean, please, per the forum rules. Thanks!]

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Keosermer
Learn to play better. You're

Learn to play better. You're acting like a little kid tht got his butt whooped in an arena.

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Keosermer
Dude its just 2 new turrets

Dude its just 2 new turrets sheesh fight em more often to see what strategy works. And i am not a noob but no a pro either I AM your average player.

Zeigh
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There's still no conspiracy

There's still no conspiracy behind it.
Less qq moar pew pew.

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Keosermer
For your information i have

For your information i have done those arenas and yes i did get frustrated the first time but hey guess what i delt with it. If you want three rings to take out the monsters take it out here. This is not for complaining about "how its too hard for you."

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Sunless
each update you guys make the

each update you guys make the game much more harder

You lost me.

edwardyh80
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Honestly i looped the 3

Honestly i looped the 3 consecutive arena like 20 times and died only once.

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Volebamus
Guys, GUYS! I got a

Guys, GUYS! I got a tl;dr:

Wormyli: I am complaining how hard a Tier TWO arena could be.

Yes, not even tier 3, tier 2. That really says it all.

AlfaOmega1
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Not to rain on your parade

Not to rain on your parade here, but they're fine. Instead of this game having easy, normal, hard, it has t1, t2, t3 (kinda). and if you have problems with arenas (third part i presume?) then you don't have to do it. Just like some danger rooms (mostly fire and shock) i stay away from. Sure there are some people that can solo them and some parties that laugh at them, but i'm not one of them, so I just skip it and carry on having fun.

Hell, I know for sure I still can't solo t3 arenas or FSC but just because of that, they shouldn't nerf it or anything. If they do, then all the better player than myself will feel robbed. And to tell the truth, I actually think OOO is being generous in the fact that all the tiers don't have that much of different payout. I mean, it would be in their benefit for them to make grossly different payouts on each tier since like this everyone would HAVE to be decked out in 5* gear to even be profitable. But it is not, if you're careful, even in t1 you can still recoop your ce cost.

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Arctic-Fern
I like the implication of mind control, but...

I thought this is another energy thread, I'm disappointed :D

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Quasirandom
Randomly generated levels

Randomly generated levels mean that occasionally the system spits out something that is completely unfair. But it only occasionally happens, and it's a price worth paying for the variety that randomly generated content can offer.

And no, retrodes and devilites at the same time is not completely unfair. Four rocket puppies in a room all completely surrounded by thorns so that you cannot melee any of them, and cannot even position yourself to make one shoot another is unfair. Rocket puppies and greavers spawning at the same time in an arena, and then darkfang menders and retrodes spawning as soon as you kill the rocket puppies is unfair. But I've only seen each of those happen once.

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Velcro
I soooo want to fight 100

I soooo want to fight 100 constructs all at once. That would be beyond epic. (Though probably lag-a-rific)

dantemirror
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Hate them whiners, we don't

Hate them whiners, we don't care if you particularly cannot defeat arenas. Get better or get out.

Some of us like the game to be harder. Be a winner not a whiner.

Akarinmimiz
I admit...

I was like "lolwut" when I ended up in the midst of twelve turrets that were a mix of the two new types with shock of all things mixed in. Yeah I died before I cleared enough of them away to take out the rest with a gun (admittedly I was kinda soloing at this point so didn't have anyone to distract any projectile spam at all)..

But that's the 3rd room of an arena. It's supposed to be rough. Perhaps we should be glad it's so tough? The whole point is that you take the gamble in the hope of grabbing extra crowns.

Haven't played Tier 3 arena since the enemy update but goodness I'm kinda dreading it. :|

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Melisan
lol

You failed, even in the title of your post. You could have at least used correct grammer.

OverDingle
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There's nothing wrong with

There's nothing wrong with the last room in an arena being hard.

It's optional, and normally you already make profit by the end of the second room. In the latter half of each tier, even the first room sometimes lets you break even. You don't have to do the last room, or even the second, so OOO can make it as hard as they want.

Only the Polyps actually makes arenas harder when it appears; howlitzers behave almost exactly like gun puppies once you know how to avoid making them blow up in your face. Even then, it's easily possible to dodge bullets in T1 or T2.

miojoxhl2
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Have I just finished a d28

Have I just finished a d28 danger room wearing FULL PROTO GEAR , tagging along with a full 5* friend without even dying, to come here and read this?
Seriously Wormyli , learn how to play and/or find some good players to tag along with.

Dirt
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I've run most stratums...

I've run most stratums... always and they aren't that hard, even after the most recent updates.

ummeiko
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Going on the notion that this

Going on the notion that this isn't another trolling thread, my 2 cents are that if you are getting 12 turrets at once, you aren't paying attention to spawns. 8 turrets spawn after the wave of healer/monster that spawns in the top right and bottom left. The 4 turret group is the second or third (pretty sure it's the second, but feel free to correct me) wave of the other spawnset. If you control the spawns, you can position yourself where you need to be, ie the edges or corners of the room.

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Keosermer
OK

OK srry k i guess i went overboard.

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Redmania
I am an entitled customer.

Response to opening poster:

Here we go again... The entitled "customer" post.
It seems that even games where people don't even have to pay to play them, people are "entitled" to something.
I lose hope in this generation of children.

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Arctic-Fern
Would you rather be challenged or bored?

If you don't wish to be challenged, but enjoy a relaxing game away from people like me who will flame you to man up and lrn2play, please play Angry Birds...

...oh wait. That game's also infuriating...

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Hova
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Pupu
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Argh

CASUAAAAAAAAAAALS

stupysays
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Tant. Don't be mean to them.

Tant.

Don't be mean to them. They don't know better.

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Tennis
@Wormyli

*generic comment about how crappy you are and how easy arenas are for me*

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Pawn
you guys know

It's okay for people to have opinions and be upset about the difficulty of the game. You don't have to agree...but it shows a fundamental lack of character to come on here and make fun of or insult them for that opinion. Just cause someone plays the game casually, doesn't mean they don't have the anger and frustrations from defeat most all gamers experience.

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Iron-Volvametal
Solution:

Get a Bomb.

Like wut Zeigh said, Less QQ, Moar Boom Boom.

...Oh...Wait.

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Reulogh
I agree with OP

I agree with OP a little.

Can any professionals and veterans show me how it is done, I'm sick and tired of dying in this game, what a waste of ce when it's already so expensive.

Rockysforumclone
@ReuLogh

http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/22185#comment-130974

Ok, Ok.... Shameless plug :P

But still, message me in game if you like and I will be happy to do a run with you. IGN Rock-Zombie.

Shidara
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Hah. People these days...

I love how someone is upset, and every player in the game (exaggeration, for all of you smarty pants who want to pepper me) comes and flames the poor guy to ashes.

Really, instead of coming to sting a "lol l2play nubcake" and flying off like a mosquito, how about giving some, oh I don't know, constructive tips on how to play better? You tell them to play better, so teach them how to. If I walked into the game and asked someone how some of the basics worked, a "l2play" wouldn't really help me all that much.

Anyway.

First and foremost, I have indeed noticed some rather strange combinations of enemies where they don't belong. I am puzzled as to whether this is intentional or just a mistake on Three Rings' part, but I'm hoping for the latter.

As for survival, it's all about knowing your surroundings, be it enemies and their patterns, the stage layout, or the manner in which monsters spawn. Like mentioned earlier, knowing the spawn-order plays a big part in arenas, and learning them really pays off when you can strategize for a wave before it comes. Knowing an enemy's range of sight, their attack patterns and so forth allows you to read their moves and thus dodge and counter-attack. Gun Puppies for instance can be streamed. For those of you unfamiliar with the term, it's used among shoot 'em ups and means to move only when you have to. Gun Puppies in Tier 2 and 3 will fire straight at you, with some scattered bullets going to the sides, if you position yourself correctly you can keep moving little by little to one side while firing a gun. Little movement is done, but you evade the bullets. Another idea is to know when knockback kicks in in a combo. The Calibur line has a knockback with the third swing (and charge-attack), so timing your attacks can cause flinching which means they won't get to attack and you can pull off another combo. Rinse and repeat until killed. Success in this game comes with knowing the environment, the enemies, and your weapons' capabilities. Experiment until you have a strategy that gets you out of the situation alive, and preferably without taking hits. It's all about recognizing different situations and how to retaliate.

If you are unsure on how to deal with certain mobs, watch some videos (if available) and observe your team-mates in action to see how they deal with each situation. Asking how something is done is a nice way of getting an educational answer rather than venting which attracts trolls.

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Melisan
Good advice Shidara but you

Good advice Shidara but you misunderstand, most of us do not mind when people ask for advice, but its the way it is asked for is what annoys me/us.
I am fed up of people who feel the need to knock the game developers/mechanics because they aren't immediatly a god at the game.
If you think that there is a bug, make a comment in the bug section of the forum, if you need advice from experianced players go to the new recruits section. If you want to whine about how its not fair you will get no sympathy here.

Madfruitz
The only thing that really

The only thing that really bothers me now i've been at it for a while are mecha knights shocking randomly, without warning or charge up when you're in range COMBINED with any status effect they have from the stratum theme (though this is avoidable, it becomes not so avoidable if you go in for a sword charge, get insta shocked then say, frozen..)

Anyway i mention this because, i now use a gun vs them and do fine. Honestly to me the weapons seem tiered in terms of survival vs dps, for example..swords have the most dps, but are the most risky; bombs are somewhere in between and guns have low dps but carry far less risk - perhaps you could try bombing, or even gunning?

Shidara
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@monsterminty

I am not misunderstanding the situation, I am simply tired of seeing all the bloody flame messages. I think some of you guys could afford to bite yourself in the tongue and instead try to help out. I don't like seeing these kinds of posts either, but spamming the thread with flaming will only help feeding the fire, and thus another spam thread is born.

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Melisan
shhh

shhh

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Starlinvf
You tend to attract flamers

You tend to attract flamers and trolls when you start an argument by shooting from the hip, pushing opinion as fact and even getting that wrong in the process. At that point its not a complaint, its simply whining.

Wormy starts off with a complete lack of understanding of the system, and tries to turn into a massive conspiracy against the players because a hand full of factors made that arena extremely difficult. Its so paranoid, that people egg him on knowing hes just gonna get upset and say something even dumber while trying to defend his/her position.

It also looked like it never occurred to him that you can actually skip the hard part of an arena. He can't figure out how to beat it, he can't figure out how to avoid it, so the natural response is to make a big deal about it in front of an audience with the full expectation that everyone will rally behind him. The use of profanity is just an aid to draw attention to it.

Now I'm not a psychologist, but I like to pretend to be one on internet forums.

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Orangeo
I love the new turret

I love the new turret addition. But it does seem like the howlitzer is just better than a gun puppy in general. Plus, it makes guns even more useful then they already were. (MAKE AIR STRIKE TURRET LONG RANGE ONLEH = PWN)
Anyway, seriously. I could understand if you said "why are there feinds in my gremlin arena?!?!" but three rings certianaly didn't make the game too hard.

stupysays
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Dear Sir or Madam

Edit:

Ok. I was going to post something mean but decided against it.

The game mechanics are perfectly fine. Just circumvent the last arena if you find yourself incapable of beating it. Or learn the spawning order of the mobs. They're tied together and killing one set of mobs will inevitably spawn the next group. After you figure that out it's relatively easy. Just don't go smash happy and think your actions through in the arena.