1)
If you have a vog set or any other set that currently has no freeze resistance and you manage to get max freeze on both pieces; would you be immune to shivers and would it be the same resistance as a full skolver set?
2)
Does this method also apply for 2 max resistance of other effects; for instance having 2 max shock resists equals no damage from a Voltaic Tempest?
Thanks Bunch!
Do not use the bars for a point of reference as they are inaccurate. Defense and resistances go beyond what is shown.
So if what you say hold s up max freeze/shock on a vog cub + max freeze/shock on a vog coat = full resistance to a shivermist/voltaic.
Hoping now some one with a set like this without using a skolver could shed some light on this scenario.
I know for a fact:
Vogs: High Freeze + High Freeze = Frozen
Dragon + Radiant: Max Freeze + High Freeze = Frozen
Max + Max = Still Unknown
Such testing is pending.
However it is to be noted that you can only gain immunity to certain kind of status effects while others will get you despite how much resist you have.
Most likely you can get immunity to low and moderate status but not to strong, or something like that.
I was under the impression a max status resist UV is not as good as the freeze resist you get from full skolver.
Also, while skolver gives near-complete freeze immunity (I've been frozen by a hail driver in lockdown with it), vog doesn't give that much fire resist despite the bars, and I assume the raw numbers, being the same.
So I would bet two max shock resists wouldn't make you anywhere near immune to VT. Maybe two max and two wyrmwood bracelets, but I'm not sure status resist stacks that high.
To shed a bit of light on this...
From what I've seen and tested, it is very likely that a double MAX Shock / Freeze will grant you near-perfect immunity to the freeze and shock statuses, most notably in PvP.
I use a Skolver helmet with MAX Freeze, and have had a 100% success rate in Lockdown of not being frozen while charging into Shivermist bombs. Do note that you will still take damage if you're at the center of the bomb when it goes off, as this will happen regardless of your resist.
PvE is a slightly different story, because the monsters and environment can sometimes overrule what you think is a MAX status resist. As other posters have noted, it is possible to take it past the bar you see visually, and this does make a difference.
In short: this will work for both, but especially well for PvP!
Erm, I don't think that's right. Max freeze resist =/= skolver freeze resist. What your experience shows is that the freeze resist offered by a full skolver set is more than enough to make you immune to shivermist freezing. Until you, or someone else, tests two max freeze resist UVs, with no other freeze resist, in lockdown, we won't know if a double max UV will be enough.
And the only way to know if max freeze resist is equal to a single skolver resist, you'd need to run tests in the clockworks.
And if you'd bothered to read my post, you'd know that the same amount of different status resists work differently - that is to say full skolver stops you freezing but full vog doesn't make you immune to fire. So even doing the above tests for freeze resist won't tell you the same for shock resist.
I've tested with simply one piece of Skolver and no freeze resist, and the Shiver's trigger quite often in PvP.
I'm aware that one could easily state that it requires all the testing in the world to validate something 100%, and that's fine. Test as much as you want. But there's no need to get high and mighty (the start of your third paragraph) when I'm offering observations that can help the OP - which is what we're both trying to do here. : )
So! The bottom line for you, OP: In PvP, 1 Piece Skolver = shivermist will hit you often. 1 Piece Skolver with MAX Freeze = Shivermist will almost never freeze you.
Take from that what you will!
That's some great responses from all of you.
I'm personally aiming to buy a second max freeze to personally test this out as I play pvp quite often..
I can't wait to see if others who have to max's on shock etc who play pvp could share there experiences as well
Again thanks a bunch to the above respondents.
So now the final question, how much resist freeze UV do you have to add to two pieces skolver set to actually reach full immunity ?
Medium ? High ? Max ?
Because I tested a full vog set with UV resist fire low and you are still burned...
TL;DR because
1. I'm sick and my head hurts
2. Just wanted to say move to Arsenal, probably goes there instead.
If you have those UVs then 'grats
~Xylka
I'm resurrecting this because I have the exact same question as OP's #2 and it hasn't been answered conclusively yet.
Do two pieces of MAX resists make you immune in pvp for that status effect? I've seen at least one player who's walking around with two pieces of MAX shock resist on a skolver set, but he didn't answer if that makes you immune.
The question of how much UV you need on a single piece that already innately resists something is "High". A Skolver helmet with UV: freeze resist HIGH makes you immune to shivermists in pvp.
I have a nameless set with a MAX UV fire on both peices.
In the summary bar showing your total resists it fills the bar on fire resist, however I am not completely immune to fire.
In FSC if I catch fire I burn for 3-4 seconds, taking 1/2 pip damage each burn cycle - if I remember correctly (unscientific I know) that is same as my Vog (before i sold it) with no fire UVs.
I haven't tested vs an ash of agni in PVP so I can't comment on that.
So no, 2 max resist UVs on a set with no existing resists of the same type does not make you immune, but it does seem equivelant to an armour set with natural resists. So basicaly I have a Vog set for gunners. Hope that helps...
It's very illustrative, and it does sound like my own Vog Cub's reaction to fire. Full immunity in PvE requires a full set (Vog, Skolver, Mercurial, etc) AND UV's. Like Zikey said, only question is how much. Most status damage sources always do a set amount of damage on first contact however, the resist would only prevent actually freezing/catching fire/being shocked.
Besides that, the PVP question still remains.
I have an Ash of Agni, I guess it's not impossible to arrange a pvp fight where we could test this.
@Bindi-Bagi: That is probably because it isn't minor, or possibly moderate fire.
I have max shock on my Skolver Cap and Vog Cub Coat, in pvp I can walk through a Voltaic Tempest (minor shock), however a Voltedge (strong shock) can still shock me. I have also heard that a Skolver Cap with high freeze resist makes you immune to a Shivermist Buster, and I don't doubt that.
I have a Skolver cap with high frost and I can vouch for it making me immune to Shivermists. Glad to have some conclusive answers regarding double MAX though.
If a MAX resist is about the same as a single armor piece (which the bars indicate), one MAX and one High should theoretically be just enough to grant immunity. I know for a fact that MAX shock and a shock trinket don't make you immune, but I'm beginning to suspect that it's the trinket's fault. It's probably similar to UV: shock resist medium instead of UV: shock resist high, even though MAX and trinket have bigger bars than my skolver's UV'd freeze resists added up together. So even with higher shock resists showing on the bars, I'm only immune to freeze.
PvE is a slightly different story, because the monsters and environment can sometimes overrule what you think is a MAX status resist.
The Shivermist can only cause Minor Freeze. There are, to my knowledge, four levels of status effect: Minor, Strong, Deadly, and Ultimate. I'm sure most people are familiar with Minor and Strong, but I don't think any player knows for sure if or what enemies/traps can cause the higher levels.
Because I tested a full vog set with UV resist fire low and you are still burned...
Vog set + Low fire res on helm [seems to] make me immune for Vanaduke's fire bursts. Others say they sometimes still get lit by vanaduke's fire burst (phase 5..) with full vog set. With my UV I've never been lit yet.
Personally my goal is to find out how much resist fire you have to add to a vog set in order to be able to use the fov charge without being burnt at all...
First up: Since we can inflict minor in PVP, we know that the minimum is armor piece + UV: high.
It's a shame that the FoV doesn't state what kind of fire it inflicts on the user itself. While duke's fire snakes and shadow fire in FSC seem to afflict you with strong burning, the FoV probably does higher than strong, perhaps deadly or ultimate. I've never seen someone claim that a FoV's fire was completely resistable, at least not after the patch that removed a bug where 'unique variant defense type and status bonuses were being doubled in some cases'.
Even the difference between minor and strong is huge though. I believe I read somewhere that there is a point where strong burning like shadow fire and fire snakes don't affect you at all (or only at 0.5 pips), though shadow fire always does some initial damage on first contact. It took a full vog set with a substantial fire UV but I can't find the thread where that was stated. It could also simply be that you always take 4 seconds burning from strong fire and higher.
Pupu, eek5 and Tantarian performed a lot of tests over time and across patches. The later posts are probably accurate. Tantarian's post concludes that Two Volcanic pieces + Two 5* Trinkets + UV: fire resist Low still make you take 4 pips burning damage from a FoV.
He concludes that a 5* trinket is similar to a high UV and that two 5* trinkets are similar to one volcanic/vog piece. I seriously doubt that, as I've said earlier I know for a fact that a UV: MAX shock and a shock trinket don't make you immune to minor, whereas a Skolver piece with UV: high does. So either the [MAX (high + high)= armor piece] or the [trinket = UV high] doesn't add up. My money would be on 5* status trinkets being medium instead, like the Krogmo trinkets. That would mean that
Volcanic set + medium + medium + low = Volcanic piece (no UV) + Volcanic piece UV: fire resist Ultra. And then you still get burned.
Next step would be using a volcanic set with both pieces having a total fire resist UV with a value of MAX or higher.
A skolver piece with max freeze gives freeze immunity. If you look at the bar for a normal skolver item on your profile it's half freeze resist, then with the max freeze it's full resist. I assume that max freeze and natural resist are about the same, so theoretically yes it should work, but I haven't tested it so don't just take my word for it then blame me if it doesn't lol.
Whatever the result, it would apply to all other status like shock etc.