I just checked the stats out for the new equipment, and guess what? You are paying for extremely expensive costumes at the moment. None of the equipment, save the Ice Queen set, is more worthwhile than its counterparts. All of them have the same bonus amounts, just different distributions. So what exactly is the point of wasting exorbitant CE fees on this again?
New Equipment is Lame
Fri, 10/21/2011 - 21:58
Fri, 10/21/2011 - 23:37
#2
Actually...
Itll take awhile for the player base to realize that the Mercurial armor is vastly OP for everything....no matter what weapons you use.
And when a few players start using it because they understand, you'll have a QQ storm from the same idiots that are saying ALL the equipment is terrible.
Sat, 10/22/2011 - 00:59
#3
Please explain to me how the
Please explain to me how the new Mercurial armor is powerful. The full set gives you a Movement Speed bonus and Bomb Damage bonus of Medium. It's already been shown that MSI: Medium is negligible (dig up some old threads on the Mercurial Mail), and half the time, bombers are using status bombs, making the damage bonus less than powerful. A CTR boost would be far better, so as it stands, the Volcanic Demo Set would likely be a better option.
Sat, 10/22/2011 - 02:31
#4
@ Eldibs
Mercurial armor has increases to bomb ctr? Oh, I guess you were looking at that when you were judging the armor like every other person without a brain cell in their head.
When someone else who thinks outside the box gives you a video guide about detailing the power of increased movement speed when NO ONE ELSE IN THE GAME CAN EVER GET THIS ANY OTHER WAY.....
You'll be on the bandwagon crying OP and QQing instead of being NAIVE and comparing it to a bombing set.
Sat, 10/22/2011 - 02:38
#5
@Zinqf, Dirt. 20k CE for a
@Zinqf, Dirt. 20k CE for a single Shadow key had better be spent to purchase Max UVs items. Definitely enough, clearly less risky. The new equipments are useless. The Snarbolax set can easily be replaced by a Skolver coat+Vog cub cap with max shadow. Only the new mercurial demo set seems interesting; except that, I'm not sure it would seem so OP anymore once on a bomber. Spam Argent peacemaker/Sentenza and the bomber will never cause you any troubles, anymore, in PvP.
Sat, 10/22/2011 - 02:50
#6
@ Lavatein
The problem is that people are looking at the mercurial set in reverse, they look at the bombing ctr and then see the move speed as a bonus. The small reduction of Bombing CTR is a misleading sight.
This is like people saying they got Skolver for the Freeze Resist. You might be able to BS your way into saying its Ice Queen gear or "helps against shivermist"...but we all know that isn't the original reason why people made the gear. The same goes for people getting merc for the movespeed, not because of some silly bombing ctr reduction.
Let me put this in perspective, imagine how much of a staple stat movespeed would be if low and medium versions of this were added to the krogmo alchemy machine (4*-5* trinkets)?
Sat, 10/22/2011 - 02:56
#7
I don't think MSI is a bad
I don't think MSI is a bad boost, it's actually what makes the set worth it. I've seen some totally lethal gunners using the mercurial set (the one from RT's) What astonishes me with those set is they remain unable to protect its owner.
A full Snarbolax player in PvP would die in 2, maybe 1 DA hit if he's a Striker. How does that justify spending so much money to just attempt with no guaranteed success to get it? Now you could probably say the owner of those set ought to roll some UVs on them. But it's starting to cost a lot. If each equipement already requires 20k CE, and another 10k CE (very optimistic approximation of how much it could cost) to get proper UV, it sounds way better to purchase Max UV'ed regular equipments. I'd feel more powerful in a full Vog Cub set than in a full Snarbolax or Mercurial demo set, and I won't even mention the other new equipments, they couldn't draw my attention.
Sat, 10/22/2011 - 03:02
#8
@ Lavatein
I don't know how many times I can say over and over and over again that the entire reason why Merc is OP is because of the movespeed you can't get anywhere else. If it had any other stat that could be obtained with a UV, it wouldn't have even 1/10th the strength it does. Not to mention it has the defensive strength of Skolver, which isn't that bad...alot of people wear it in pvp.
Read my unedited post again, read the first two sentences again if reading the whole thing is too tough. I don't know exactly who you are talking to, but I've been trying to explain why the merc set is OP no matter what weapon you use. *throws hands in the air then uses one of them to facepalm*
Sat, 10/22/2011 - 03:14
#9
I'm sorry, I'm not looking
I'm sorry, I'm not looking forward to discuss that with someone who thinks repeating things over and over again would make them true. As for now I see no proof Mercurial demo set is any better than a Skolver+Vog player, for instance. Movement speed is good, like I said, if you had read, it can be lethal when properly handled. Small reminder: a Striker runs faster than players with Med MSI. And having Med MSI won't immune you from the small delay you have each time you perform a full combo hit, with any weapon. I don't see anything OP with that; two hits of Gran Faust or 3 Hits of BTB/FF would clearly suffice to take down someone in a Mercurial demo set.
Sat, 10/22/2011 - 03:51
#10
@Zinqf
Look, do you actually own the original Mercurial or new Mercurial demo set? I have raced guildies, party members and PvP oponents before and the medium bonus that full Mercurial gives you is so small it's negligible.
Let's compare this "OP" gear with something that's actually overpowered like heart pendants (lets you tank several more hits). To be comparable it would have to allow you to evade strikers for 3 extra hits, which as it looks now wouldn't be possible in full Merc demo gear AND the hypothetical trinket you're referring to.
Movement speed has been available for a long time in the form of the original Quicksilver line which anyone can make by farming the roarmulous twins, they've been around for months and I don't see them dominate pvp anymore than anyone else. The only big thing going on for them is that they can ignore Voltaic bombs, but a single heart pendant user destroys them easily.
Yes movement speed bonus sounds good on paper, like heart pendants do too. I have a *1 heart pendant that unlike the stronger versions only gives 2 extra hp. Compared to all other trinkets it's nigh worthless because it's simply too weak to make a difference in how many hits I can take, like mercurial's speed bonus is inherently too weak to matter at all .
Sat, 10/22/2011 - 05:18
#11
@Zinqf
There's nothing "OP" about the Mercurial set. The movement speed barely makes a difference, we've all seen how much of a waste that armor is.
Sat, 10/22/2011 - 12:24
#12
There is no CTR on the
There is no CTR on the Mercurial set. What I said, Zinqf, was that CTR would be better than the damage bonus on the new Mercurial set. The move speed bonus is available on both the new Mercurial set and the old one. To reiterate this, it has been tested in the past by multiple people - Move Speed Increase: Medium is barely noticeable at best, worthless at worst. Silphius said it best - there are much more powerful options than MSI, like Heart Pendants and ASI. Dig up the old threads on the old Mercurial set's MSI, and how worthless it is. Also, while you're digging up old threads, note that I haven't ever cried "OP" on anything, that I've usually been on the anti-nerfing side, dolt.
Sat, 10/22/2011 - 12:36
#13
I have tested it: MSI is
I have tested it: MSI is totally worthless, and bomb damage is usually garbage since mist bombs are better than damage inducing bombs. Ice Jelly armor is also garbage. Skolver is a much better choice of gear, and I do not care why they made it, it still has max freeze resist, same as IQ armor.
Sat, 10/22/2011 - 12:40
#14
let me see
almire armor: AKA
let me see
almire armor: AKA blessed paper armor. horrid unless withcrest of almire shield
arcane salamander: plus damge vs jelly and beast, just about it
snarby set: vog is easier and better to get, but can have potential
ice queen: only viable if your not a swordsman, but atleast better than royal jelly now, unless sleep came back...
meri demo: nope its just bombtastic exept xtra speed and shock resist
so only 2/5 of the armors are just border good.
Sat, 10/22/2011 - 12:42
#15
You forgot heavenly iron,
You forgot heavenly iron, which is GREAT armor for the new duke.
Sat, 10/22/2011 - 12:48
#16
Yeah it's great, but what are
Yeah it's great, but what are the costs of the new materials ahaha.
Sat, 10/22/2011 - 12:51
#17
Yeah it's great, but what are
Yeah it's great, but what are the costs of the new materials ahaha. Last time I saw nightmare mane for example was for around 500k cr almost.
Sat, 10/22/2011 - 12:53
#18
heavenly armor: a taser can
heavenly armor: a taser can kill you. and only purpose is for dark duke
still 2/6 is border good
Sat, 10/22/2011 - 12:53
#19
you shouldnt be buying it off
you shouldnt be buying it off AH. Go on the run. If you cant or will complain about its cost, youre not cut out for the run to begin with. That is what I am slowly discovering.
Sat, 10/22/2011 - 13:00
#20
Huh, some of us don't even
Huh, some of us don't even want to get the shadow key, bahahaha.
Sat, 10/22/2011 - 13:07
#21
Then you wont be getting the
Then you wont be getting the new gear. :( plain and simple. i try to tell people when i see them: this content is for true end gamers, not average t3 players.
Sat, 10/22/2011 - 13:08
#22
and yes, the heavenly armor
and yes, the heavenly armor isnt good overall, but its the BEST armor for darkfire duke.
Sat, 10/22/2011 - 13:18
#23
also, snarby isnt good for
also, snarby isnt good for much without ccertain awesome uvs, but it is fantastic for snarby himself as long as you also have half skolver on.
Sat, 10/22/2011 - 13:29
#24
I don't know how many times I
I don't know how many times I can say over and over and over again that the entire reason why Merc is OP is because of the movespeed you can't get anywhere else.
BWAHAHAHAHAA!
I'm one of the people who originally measured the movement speed increase. The best that can be said is that the movement speed increase *is* measurable, but as I said in that thread, you are better off increasing your speed by practicing cutting corners and not get caught on stuff. I do sometimes use my full mercurial armor on JK runs for kicks, but mostly I use it as costume.
Sat, 10/22/2011 - 14:09
#25
The Snarbolax armor has
The Snarbolax armor has potential, but it REALLY needs Fire Resist. Get a Wolver Coat and Cap with at least a Medium Fire Resist UV and make it into Snarbolax armor, it'll do fine for FSC. Just don't forget the ASI trinkets. Even better if you can get it with Fire and Curse resist, for Shadow FSC. Outside of that one use, and for Lockdown, I can't see getting any of the armors other than to sell.
Sat, 10/22/2011 - 15:17
#26
The reason the Mercurial set
The reason the Mercurial set is so underpowered is because the developers recognized how overpowered any truly significant movement increase would be. In a game based on dodging and maneuverability, movement speed is huge... so the devs erred on the cautious side. Turns out they were probably too cautious, as the move speed boost is unnoticeable in normal play.
Sat, 10/22/2011 - 21:44
#27
So...
essentially the new gear really is just to run the new content? Not like I am revising my opinion here...
Sun, 10/23/2011 - 00:32
#28
if the gear is as bad as
if the gear is as bad as everyone says, then i only want snarby cap for costume purposes, the mats to sell, and the run for the experience against harder bosses
cant wait to try cursed citadel. That will put a twist on my setup
I'm guessing you don't PvP if you didn't mention the stats on the Snarbolax armor.