Kirnan, Dirt knows that. He's just opining, as I have opined, that complaining about the pricing on the forums doesn't seem worth the effort.

On the other hand, Dirt has come out in favor of current pricing, which is interesting and valuable to see.

Tersakoff, we've already said all that, and better.

Many children these days are not used to having challenges presented to them in video games, and I think that's a shame.

The shadow lairs are accessible to those with enough in-game wealth. In-game wealth =/= skill.

http://i.neoseeker.com/mgv/358974-Dramon%20Knight/974/60/silver_surfer_d...

Tersakoff, don't even try to speak condescendingly as if you've trolled the whole forums, because you didn't. You just look absolutely stupid and your arguments and literary structure are horrendous. This would almost be laughably funny until one realizes you're serious.

How are we supposed to know if the whole thing was a joke to begin with? It just sounds like an excuse because people saw through your weak analogy. "LOL just kidding" is a pretty obvious way to backpedal from an argument.

And if that's the case what was the point of this thread? It just seems disrespectful all around, the way you came in, and the way you started ridiculing everyone for making (surprise) a discussion! And a mature and constructive one at that! Now it seems you're trying to antagonize the posters more in some desperate attempt to get them upset.

This was obviously some bait for drama and you know what? The shadow lairs do have quite a bit of drama as it is. The community's quite divided over it, but there are still some of us who can sit down, discuss our feelings, and not get at each other's throats. You WANT us to fight over it and you WANT us to get upset at you, but most of us can see through your failed attempts at trolling.

So that's my two cents on the matter. At this point we can agree the analogy is ridiculous, the poster just wants us to be mad at him, and he's doing it for attention(despite it being negative). Should just move on.

Wuvvums, this guy is not worth your time. If he really is a troll, then don't feed him. :)

What's funny is that he thinks he has some grand insight, and that we're all idiots compared to him. But that's probably just more trolling.

You encountered a bug of some kind, while in the Shadow Lairs, that killed your expedition? I can understand why you would be upset about that. A refund of some kind seems in order, maybe unless it was "your fault" (e.g. your computer, your network connection).

Now now, let’s just ignore OP and borrow his/her thread’s beaten corpse. Now what I am trying to do here is laying out what I can see so far for the last 2 updates, focusing mainly on Shadow Lairs. Obviously will be unrelated with metaphor crafting and whatnot.

Shadow Lairs:
Shadow Lairs are meant to be played by end-gamers; this is the point that is agreed by both the supporters and boycotters. The difficulty is set so that the whole run is supposedly a coordinated run rather than a fun-and-gun run, killing some spastic oversized wolver duo and take cool souvenirs home.

This is self-evidently OOO's intention. One just needs to digest the reward bit of this run; not much crown and heat counts in itself, but a guaranteed 5-star material for the 'souvenir' gear. This '1 material for each run' inevitably sets the fate of this content's decay. The bosses themselves are meant to be run several times only, 4 times for full content experience, 12 times for all armor sets for each participating knights. Compared to normal boss token requirements (30~15 / 3 tokens per run for only 1 out of 4-6 items), it is comparatively far less demanding in terms of repetition. Hence, a prohibitive price tag to a certain extent is tolerable.

Now then people from days back who asked for the fixed price of 3-digits CE are either straight out lazy or they don't know how SK's most luxurious 'services' and items have enjoyed a good helping of OOO's fix so far. 5* unbinding cost = 4k CE, Triple UV roll cost = 200k Cr, and they expect a measly 3 digit CE for a dev-intended epic run? This one is an obvious no.

The fixed pricing solution attempt is an old point by now, but that just shows you how many people initially misunderstood this new content. If OOO eventually decided to put shadow keys on vendor for a fixed price, following OOO's mind-set, I would say they are going to price it for some 4-5 digit CE price seeing that it is to be used by 4 knights. Don't you see that they put candies for 10k browns each? You see where this is going? The existence of that one Halloween vendor itself convinced me that OOO have quite the drug-dealing knack.

More or less, shadow key are settled as of now, maybe even in a direction that is not intended. People are turning some profits from the shadow runs, setting up absurdly artificial pricing for SL stuff, multiple times higher than even a quarter of the 600k Crown buyout shadow key price at the auction. These players are actually capable of doing their own 'whale' hunting. Blame whoever makes the Snarb armor such a 'whale' killer.

The market has spoken, shadow keys won't go anywhere down even if you boycott by not investing your time in it.

But then I agree that the gambling part as a prohibitive barrier is just OOO being cheap and make things difficult for everyone. I assume that lockbox actually outperforms their expectation that they decided to put the key behind a key. Somehow this assumption is reinforced with that one statement Nick made on one of the early shadow key thread about many people ‘sporting accessories’.

The only solution OOO could take to rectify this is to modify how the gambling bit works. One thing to say is that lockbox won't go down too, seeing as how much accessories have been bought so far. The cancer is now a part of the game, it cannot be removed. The workable problem right now is the very limited nature of the choice one can make to alter their gambling odds. There’s only one way (750 CE story-unrelated questionably-priced silver key) to open the lottery (Gremlin-made(?) Iron Lockbox) in order to gain an item from a big pool of mess that is a sea of drab headbands and other unloved accessories. The only thing a player can do is to pump his/her CE up, and that just screams of bad design and pure money grab. They can be as creative as they want to replace this kind of gambling system I’m sure, but somehow they choose the dumb simple way out; one steep-priced key, one box, 200+ drab toys to rummage randomly.

And yes I am really in big disagreement (and thought that it would flop hard) with how silver key, being only a simple KEY, is priced close to the cost to alchemize your 5* equips, even a suit of Radiant SILVERmail. The pricing for the key can obviously be seen as no more than a shameless carbon copy of TF2 Mann Co. key and as of SK current developmental phase, it is grossly mispriced. The very market itself speaks of the horror of those abominable by-product from this in-game casino; unloved accessories, tons of em, priced like a rag despite the price of the key.

And no, I don't want to hear OOO telling me story that knights can't lockpick or the gremlins charged us that price.

WUVVUMS UR AN IDIOT, I HAD THREE OTHERS ON MY TEAM THAT EXPERIANCED THE SAME BUG!!! THEY ALSO HAD NOT RECIEVED A RESPONSE, AND WILL PROBABLY NOT!!! THANKS ALLOFMYBROWNS FOR YOUR EXCELLENT WRITING. IM QUITING THIS GAME AND SPENDING MY MONEY ON SOMETHING ELSE WORTH SPENDING ON. IM NOT GOING TO TO WASTE MY TIME AND MONEY ON THIS CRAP!!! IM LEAVING THIS GAME FOR GOOD, AND FOR ALL (((YOU SMART PEOPLE OUT THERE THATS EXACTLY WHAT YALL NEED TO DO!!!))) AND I CAN CARE LESS ABOUT REPUTATIONS!! CAUSE IT MEANS NOTHING IN THIS DUM GAME!!
TIMECLOCK,
CLOCKING OUT

MY APOLOGIE WUVVUM, THOUGHT U WROTE ABOUT ME :)

It's okay, Tersakoff, at least nobody can blame you for not trying.

You're right about one thing: you may as well leave the forums. You've displayed why grandiosely.

Also, just as a final note, no one here is even the slightest bit mad. We're just onlooking at the abysmal void which is this thread and expressing ridicule, that's all. LOL. Go ahead and re-read every post in the thread; none of them, at least to me, seem like they're of enraged nature.

It is true that many children don't appreciate a challenge. However, the problem with Shadow Keys isn't a challenging aspect. It's the fact that, for the most part, obtaining one is randomized. Even if you are a T3 player with the best equips in the game, you could still spend a long time trying to get a Shadow key. Only luck and wealth determines this, not your skill.

As far as I can tell, this is the main quarrel people have with the system. It's not that it's costly, it's that it doesn't matter whether you're the kind of player that can solo Vana in no time flat, you'll still get treated like the guy that has to res 15 times just to scrape through the Jelly King. The rich aren't the best by default, though they do coincide at times.

OOO should handle restricting their content differently, giving the rich/willing to pay exclusive access to endgame content is going to leave a large portion of the T3 community in fits of frustration.