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Wed, 10/26/2011 - 08:49
Ehsan's picture
Ehsan

Dear brave delvers of the Clockworks,

I'm Ehsan, and I'm one of those few (mostly) free-to-play 5* players. I am an avid fan of this great game, and have gone to the Core countless times. I am familiar with fighting techniques against all monsters and what-nots, with the exception of...

RETRODES.

Those devilishly-animated junkbots have killed me more times than all other monsters (excluding maybe Lord Vanaduke) combined. I know the attacking patterns of them, I know how to predict their moves, but I just can't deal with them. They simply attack too quickly. When I see them raise their arm for a swipe, I raise my shield but still get hit for some reason.

Sure, dealing with one, two or even three is quite simple with a bit of patience, but if you're soloing and get swarmed by 8 or 9 at a time (in Mechanized Mile, you veterans should know what I'm talking about) they're not funny. It's inevitable that I do get hit a couple of times, and in Blast Furnace where they spit fire, it's no joke.

So to cut a long story short, any helpful tips for dealing with retrodes, especially those that swarm you? Please also note that I prefer swords to guns and bombs any day. I'm a swordmaster and I have leviathan blade, divine avenger (which does not work too well when you're swarmed) and Glacius. I only listed the ones that are useful against retrodes, but of course I have others of other power types.

Please guys, tips? Blast Furnace is owning me. :(

Thanks in advance.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 09:31
#1
Batabii's picture
Batabii
Retrodes are easy, just keep

Retrodes are easy, just keep them in your sight all times and beware of the wide range of their beams.

Maybe you should try using something besides swords if you keep getting hit. Just two or three steps away and you are out of their melee range.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 09:35
#2
Exileddread's picture
Exileddread
Pretty much what Bata said.

Pretty much what Bata said. To avoid the arm swing, they'll always do it right when you get next to them. To counter that, just shield cancel your first sword hit then give them a full combo right after you block the swing.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 09:47
#3
Culture's picture
Culture
Hmm

Always try to approach them from below, not above so you can see their long range attack warning. Dodge their long range attacks by walking perpendicular to the attack. Shielding works too but a hit will take a lot of health off your shield making you vulnerable to repeated attacks.

If you are near one then expect it to swipe at you, so either don't stand close enough to get hit or use a sword with lots of knockback so that they are out of range after you swing. Polaris makes quick work of Retrodes too.

I find it useful to draw them to a corner where they just stand there and shoot their laser beams into the corner and I just pick them off during the recovery. Best to use a gun for that, but a sword or bomb is fine too.

Shivermist will lock them in place, allowing some easy flanking. Watch out though, a laser beam will thaw a fellow Retrode.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 10:01
#4
Starlinvf's picture
Starlinvf
Step 1. Apply sword to

Step 1. Apply sword to Retrode.
Step 2. Repeat.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 10:32
#5
Icee's picture
Icee
Cryotech Alchemer

The easiest way is to keep your distance and use an elemental alchemer, especially cryotech which can stop them from aiming. Retrode beams can't cross gaps in the floor or low walls, but you can shoot over those, so you can often stand in a safe place and kill them all. The elemental pulsars are also great, but the knockback from those can cause problems if you're in a group, so use them carefully. The cryotech alchemer line is pretty fool-proof.

As other have already said, the other easy strategy is freezing bombs. I usually prefer the gun, but I never go into the IMF without my shivermist so I can freeze the retrodes and mechaknights in the room with the respawns.

Of the swords you listed, the divine avenger is the obvious choice because of its knockback and elemental damage. It will certainly clear room for an escape when you're already swarmed, but in my opinion, the best strategy is to avoid being swarmed by using a gun or freezing bomb.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 10:37
#6
Kobo's picture
Kobo
If I can go off topic for a

If I can go off topic for a second:

"I'm one of those few (mostly) free-to-play 5* players"

This seams a little pretentious and backwards to me. Either you've bought CE or you haven't. There really isn't any grey area to be had. Once you've use a bit of CE to get over the early difficult period of the game and get to t3 content, buying CE is unnecessary and thus playing t3 content for free is unimpressive.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 11:02
#7
Nicoya-Kitty's picture
Nicoya-Kitty
The key to retrodes is to

The key to retrodes is to manage their attacks. Generally speaking they'll do a ranged attack if you stand still (relative to their point of view) out of range of their swipe attack. This is exactly what you want.

Charge your sword and get them to start firing their ranged attack, then duck around and unleash the fury on them from the side. Then back off and repeat.

Don't try to do a full combo right up against them, you'll just get slapped in the face with their swipe attack. If you see the red ring below them, just run directly away from them.

It's a bit more tricky in a narrow hallway, but generally you should be able to stand on one side of the hallway, get them to attack, and run up the other side to unleash your charge on them. If there's a big pile of them in the middle of an arena, approach them in a spiral pattern with your sword charged, hit them, and then spiral back out.

A DA, Brandish or Levi is the sword of choice here, since the charge will guarantee an interrupt so you won't get swiped. Don't go in with a cutter or a flourish, for obvious reasons. Troika is also a possibility maybe, I've never used one, though the charge attack takes centuries to execute so it might leave you vulnerable too long.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 11:05
#8
Aumir's picture
Aumir
Hints agaist Retrodes?

To me, they are the most fun Construct to fight, actually. Which doesn't mean "easy", though....

If you are a mid-long distance Knight, always, always keep moving on the same direction. They don't predict where you will move so they will fire "behind" where you walked.

If you are a short range Knight, wait for their attack first, if they fired a laser to a partner then attack and try to strike them down with a combo. They use up a lot of time getting up, so you can take chance there and pull a "infinite" on them, while keeping and eye if another Retrode looks at you. And, if they come to melee you, shield, and THEN strike them.

Also, try to make use of the environment to block the lasers. Their lasers also are actually "ground attacks", so they won't harm you if there is "void" between you and them.

Hope it helps you, and good luck with them! (I will be trying to get better against Grievers D: )

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 13:45
#9
Cryoworld's picture
Cryoworld
I always found those buggers

I always found those buggers to be fun to fight. Just a bit of advice when fighting them:
1. Heavy sword: always hit once and back up. If you go for a 2 swing, you'll take damage.
2. Medium sword: 2 hits will push them back enough that the attack should miss. Don't go for a full 3 combo.

Alternatively, bring a gun, trust me, it helps IMMENSELY.

Then again, I'm one of those guys that absolutely MUST have 3 weapon slots. Might want to consider that, they're fairly cheap.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 17:03
#10
Wfawwer's picture
Wfawwer
Something smells fishy...

Remember the old EHSAN? The guy with crappy grammar from Persia?

Then came this...
http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/21597

And now his posts are a lot neater...

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 17:08
#11
Benb's picture
Benb
I remember that post...What's

I remember that post...What's going on here?

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 17:28
#12
Algol-Sixty's picture
Algol-Sixty
I find T3 retrodes aren't

I find T3 retrodes aren't bad, if you take it slow. This, however, is a problem when there are two, three or more gremlin healers amongst them out-healing your damage. >.<

If there are healers, I often have to lure a few out away from the healer.

I use the "firing over low walls" trick a lot. A polaris that can push them so that they stay behind the low wall helps a huge amount.

If there a bunch in a room, I often just circle around dropping ash of agni fire bombs. As long as you keep moving at an angle to them, they can't shoot you. Even if there are healers in the bunch, you can usually burn the healers and out DPS them.

I view retrodes similar to lumbers. They aren't that hard, but if you make one mistake, you can be seriously hurt. I'll take a dozen retrodes over a dozen greavers any day.

Wed, 10/26/2011 - 17:53
#13
Schwarze's picture
Schwarze
Personally I'd say use that

Personally I'd say use that Levi. It's what I use, with success.
In depth: Prep a charge attack, and move in to attack. Don't rush directly at them, circle around as you get closer. Once you are near, just use the charge and fall back. It works fairly well on large groups too, since the impact stops any attacks from hitting you.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 01:26
#14
Ehsanman
EHSAN is my knight name from

EHSAN is my knight name from account EHSANMAN he stole my account i return to game yestarday i reporet him to support today i send a email to support
god punish you thieft he long time ago stole my account i even say that before in fourm http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/21597
i even send 2 email to support they do not answer

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 02:40
#15
Schwarze's picture
Schwarze
1) Aw damnit he's back. 2)

1) Aw damnit he's back.
2) Certainly doesn't look as if he stole your account. If he did steal your account his forum username would be the same one as yours, which it's not, it seems. Additionally, sure took you a long amount of time to get something done about it!
3) Keep the god talk out of this.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 05:05
#16
Juances's picture
Juances
Wethever or not he's telling

Wethever or not he's telling the thruth shouldn't there be a simple lost pasword form?
Unless the leet hacker stole his mail account too....

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 06:02
#17
Schwarze's picture
Schwarze
Ehsanman has every method to

Ehsanman has every method to re-acquire his 'stolen account'. The time that has passed since his first claim to its ownership and this day has been extremely length and I'd say it's his own problem if he has not been able to deal with the situation.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 09:00
#18
Ehsanman
in past it do not show your

in past it do not show your knight name in fourm in past it show your account name
in past it do not need email confrimation to change your password he stole my account in that time

in new times now it will show your knight name not your account name you must choise knight to be able to post on fourms
in new times now if you want change your password it will need email confrimation

god knows i say true

god punish him

my stolen account name is EHSANMAN knight name EHSAN

this is my secound account EHSANMAN1 knight name EHSANMAN i am posting with it now

i leave game becuse i do not like games that have woman on it i am a battlefield 2 player i back to this game becuse i say to my self this woman charchter in this game is not human but i try to keep my distance from them mayby the who control them is a human woman

i send 2 email to support last time they do not answer me
i today agian send 1 email to support

they only knows money they do not respect players i play hard alot of hours i do not pay even 1$ i become 4 star equipment player with only trie 1 solo playing i defeat bosses solo i defeat arenas solo alone only one then he stole my account god knows i never cheat anyone in game but people cheat me and stole my crown and energy i do not pay for game i with my hard work eraned crown help other people in game but others cheat me and stole my crowns and energy

i never forgive you thieft we will see god when we die i am not muslim or christchen orjews or anything else but i know god exist and is infinte kind and good god create all of humans i am not a good man i am a bad man

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 09:28
#19
Happyapathy's picture
Happyapathy
God doesn't read this forum...

...so please stop demanding that this guy your accusing gets hit by a bolt of lightning or dragged down into some fiery crevice, all this holy talk is rather petty and frankly insulting to bring to a game forum and an issue like this, it does nothing to help your case and likely makes people dislike you more then anything so stop it with all this god and religion stuff and just swear or troll like most disgruntled people would on a forum, anymore religious ranting should get you banned if you ask me.

Edit: And what is with that 'woman' comment? What the hell is that about? You say your from Persia, as in Iran or something? It's a freaking game leave your politics and religion out of it.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 10:16
#20
Paweu's picture
Paweu
Oh look if it isn't

Oh look if it isn't Ehsanman's monthly comedy corner!

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 17:30
#21
Grievos's picture
Grievos
I have a good idea!

-Use an elemental weapon!

-Smack them hard!

-Hit them down to the floor!

-Use charged attacks!

Avatar Day! Yip! Yip!

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 18:13
#22
Nechrome's picture
Nechrome
... Ehsanman's back... he

...

Ehsanman's back...

he might be speaking the truth, though. I say some of Ehsans post in the past that had horrible grammer, but now it's really good.

dunno, about the real truth.

Back to the main topic.

Retrodes are so annoying. Once, in a Robo Rampage arena, I stepped on the party button. Immediately, 8 retrodes (4 on each side of me) spawned with their lasers already charged and firing.

In 1/100th of a second, I died.

BLARGH.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 22:18
#23
Kickthebucket's picture
Kickthebucket
i got swarmed by (i dunno)

i got swarmed by (i dunno) 25?? devilites and a few silkwings in the last T3 map (cooling chamber for those who want to know) and let me tell you... i rather have 50 Retrodes i can take out with my polaris (or can shieldbump away from the pack and pick them off in smaller numbers)

i was literaly looking at the gate and couldn't get to it and with that lost my gold delver achievement AGAIN!!! damn you devilites!!!!! (the beams are pure ellemental, swipes deal normal) ware a vog cub armor no problem what so ever... (both normal AND ellemental defence it basicly screams use me when you know there are Retrodes)

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