Another video I slapped together to show people the new dungeon.
UFSC
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/7624866/shadow_lair_ufsc/
Mirrors / Alternative Links (youtube at least until the copyright reaper comes ^_^)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MGrW7RRuCk
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=BWU3CDXV
Great vid, looks fun and...challenging.
Shame OOO felt the need to make it such a moneysink though, im sure a higher cost perma key would've evoked a similar CE buying frenzy..ah well!
Good stuff :)
Thanks. ^_^
@Madfruitz - Well we all love free stuff that's for sure. XD But in the big picture it's for the better they have some sort of CE and crown sinks. Otherwise we'd have a worse problem with too much CE and crown in the market. I'm sure they're trying to keep those numbers ideal for the player base as a whole. So perhaps in the future with newer stuff these prices will be adjusted.
Even at the lower price of 1500CE I still split this expense with the others who I group with.
@Atrumvindex I'll leave the firsts to the firsters. XD Just sharing is all. ^_^
@Lordnamechange - Haha, I dunno, be a geek like me and play video games for 20 years. I just try stuff out and see what works best for me, and find fun in a challenge whenever I can.
Niceness, of course.
At the boss, is that Shadow eye in the middle much of a hindrance?
@Vole - Yeah, it's a massive hazard. Not sure if it is worth trying to manage it. We just run around the edges of the map towards the end. Kind of like room 3 in arenas. XD.
Out of curiosity, does the zombie breath curse, set you on fire, or both?
Also, is vog still good in there?
@Cryo - Yeah the zombie breath is curse. No fire. I think their swings might also have an off chance of cursing too. It lasts for about a minute too. Though I would still recommend Vog. Zombies are the most avoidable things as always. The fires you'll get from pits or from fireballs do far more serious damage than worrying about a curse. Even if you get cursed with no remedies, you can still use two weapons.
Most the damage we took in there came from Trojans/Slags, gun pups, bumping or being pushed into fire traps.
I would rank stat priorities like this: Normal Damage / Fire Resist / Elemental / Shadow / Curse Resist
I think it's odd that the crusader set is negative fire resist. -_- If it were a positive value then I might consider using it for there.
*Clicks video.*
"This should be interes-.."
>Suddenly, random rock music and no in-game sounds.
>Screen fading every 5 seconds into another scene.
*Close.*
I'm, uh, sure it was nice. Yes.
So, you didn't like the video because of the music? All you had to do was replace it with your own. In-game sounds? Eh, not sure why you would want to listen to that..It's just a revamped FSC. It's also hard to cram a whole run in while still keeping the video watchable. I wouldn't want to sit through a half hour video.
I thought it was great keep up the good work Shisho.
The point about music, that's not a good mindset for making videos.
People putting music over gameplay [especially MMORPGs.] is something a lot of people dislike. It's usually acceptable if you're showing off stylistic gameplay, combos and such, maybe PvP; even then rock is usually a poor choice. But standard PvE gameplay? The music will strike most people as obnoxious.
I had a problem where I couldn't record audio from my PC for a while [actually it was just me getting my settings wrong, but either way.] so I can understand if that was the problem, but in that case, go with something softer.. and probably no lyrics. You want background music so your video isn't silent, not something to rock out to.
As for the bit about not being able to cram a whole run into one video, yeah, I realize that and I'm not too sure how else you could work around that. Jumping through clips is probably the better choice, but it felt too jumpy to me. In the first 30 seconds, we got like 8 different clips. 2 of them were a single combo/gun clip.
I guess what I'd go for is longer clips, and longer jumps to space things out; That way, the transitions wouldn't feel so jarring.
Well, it's just a random guy's 2 cents, so take it as you will. *Shrug.*
Yeah, Tazurin is right. I click on the video expecting at least some decent footage of the game and I'm treated to some annoying music and a video that can't keep focus on an area for more than ten seconds. It looked less like showing us the new dungeon and more about you and your buddies trying to impress people. If you're trying to show off gameplay, transitioning as quickly as you can so we can't even tell where and what is going on is the worst idea possible. Adding some horrible background music just makes it worse. Saying we can just replace the music with our own is like saying an AMV isn't bad because we can replace LET THE BODIES HIT THE FLOOOOORRRRRRR with whatever we want.
By all means, tell Shisho how he can make your life on these forums a paradise Cosby. He simply made the video to show people the new Shadow Lairs. If you don't like it, then don't watch it. It's that simple. The same goes for the music. Don't like it? Turn it off. The video was made to give people an idea of what it's like and it did the job well.
*Shrugs* You like you like, you don't you don't. XD
Sorry to inform you, but you probably wasted your time with those comments. I don't do things to please you. Hope that's not a foreign concept.
It's just highlight video, and you heard some music you don't like, hope your day isn't ruined too badly.
Tell Glutes i said hi btw!
I wanna play with him again when i'm off-duty
xDD
Sorry to inform you, but you probably wasted your time with those comments. I don't do things to please you.
yes, you do things to boost your ego and waste other people's time. It too, didn't watch all the video because it sucked at showing what the title of the thread claimed. I can deal with the annoying music by using mute, but the video was also useless.
If you could at least have the courtesy next time of titling the thread something like "me showing off in the UFSC", people will know to skip the thread.
You don't do things to please me? That's weird, because I was pretty sure you said you made the video "to show people the new dungeon".
What a coincidence; I wanted to see the new dungeon! Guess that makes me one of those people you made the video for.
Problem? I didn't like the video. It was poorly made. But hey, it's not the end of the world. You can make your future videos better.
How are you gonna know how to do that? By being told what you're doing wrong and how you can do it better. Now what did I do?
Yeah. You're welcome.
You don't have to get all passive-aggressive over some constructive criticism.
And again, Exileddread, those are poor points. "Don't like it, don't watch it" doesn't work when you have to watch it to know you don't like it. Not to mention I did want to watch it until I found out it was bad, or else I wouldn't be here to say what I thought of the video in the first place.
I'd like to add; There's no reason to feel the need to defend someone, when no one is trying to hurt the person to begin with. He posted a video for everyone, I told him what I thought of the video as one of those people.
I've watched many videos I disliked, but I've never ranted on any of them. Taz you were the only one to give constructive criticism in your second post. I actually liked the video. Everyone has their own opinion. But if your opinions don't offer any constructive criticism, nobody cares to hear it. By the "Don't like it, don't watch it" points. What I mean by that is, don't post after watching a video unless it has constructive criticism to offer or unless you're appreciating the work put into the video.
Judging from the comments who don't like the video, here's one that would probably match your tastes better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnochoVEr4s&feature=related
@Algol-sixty "you do things to boost your ego and waste other people's time"
Wrong. This isn't what Shisho was trying to do. I, for one, wanted to see what UFSC had to offer before attempting it. Shisho put all of the big highlight rooms all into one video while keeping it 5 minutes. Why would you need to see them swatting down all the slags? All you need to see is what spawns, and conjure up a strategy to deal with that.
Well dang. I'm sorry for listing points on where you could have improved, because you obviously have better things to do than listen to constructive criticism! Obviously the purpose of the video isn't to inform us about the new Firestorm Citadel, because it did such a horrible job explaining anything about what the new content is! And it's not any video for advice, because the author dismisses anything that could be construed as helpful and says "NAH BRO MY VIDEO IS PERFECT, I'M NOT TRYING TO PLEASE ANYBODY." There's some wisdom in this topic; next time I make a piece of art with the intention of showing everybody I know, I can feel free to make it as horrible as possible and claim I don't care when they offer advice for me. There's room for a legitimate video here, but you seem more interested in listening to ego-boosting complements than room for improvement.
We've crossed out all the useful points of this video, all we've got left is a video that's more interested in shows more footage of a knight fighting Trojans in a corner than layouts of enemy spawns and what differs from the traditional FSC. Sorry this topic isn't fifteen pages of complimenting the video, but you can do better.
To be honest Cosby, no one is going to make a tutorial video of this. It is your job to go down there and do it yourself like he did. Why would you even want the lairs ruined by showing you complete full battle sequences of certain areas? The video was made well. It showed a little bit of each major area, just as a video of this sort ought to do. And your music complaint is totally invalid. If you dont like music, dont listen to it.
Cosby your first post sounded more like rage than constructive criticism.
Leave this thread alone if you people hate it so much.
I would also like to point out Glutes getting trucked across the fire pits at 1:03. :)
@ people wanting a step by step walkthrough - there are other videos out there for you. However, I do think that this video would be better if instead of just showing clips of everything, it focused on showing the major fights all the way through. D24 end, D26 spike room, D26 end (or not if you use the cheese strategy), D27 wolver room and D27 end.
"Another video I slapped together to show people the new dungeon."
This is why people are confused though. It isn't really showing people the new dungeon, it is a montage. Perhaps if you made that clear, people who weren't interested would pass, instead of posting randomness.
"Why would you even want the lairs ruined by showing you complete full battle sequences of certain areas? "
They're the parts that are fun to watch.
>Why would you even want the lairs ruined by showing you complete full battle sequences of certain areas?
He said he was showing us the new content. Why would we watch a video that flat out says THAT HE WANTS TO SHOW US THE NEW CONTENT if we didn't want to know what's going on in the areas? It could mean the difference between wasting a shadow key on a run gone horribly wrong.
>Video was really well made.
A lot of movies and games have some high production values. Doesn't stop them from being bad. A major point here is that it does a bad job at showing the new content, even if the animations and video quality was high.
>Music complaint is invalid
I remember when I got Megaman ZX Advent. While it was a fun game, the music was bad for Megaman, and the voice acting was horrible. I'm reviewing the game. I guess the music shouldn't even be a factor in giving the game a score, considering I can just mute it and put on something else! Mega Man 9, which had some of the best music in the series and whose soundtrack convinced me to get the game in the first place, could have no sound whatsoever and still get an amazing score, right?
>Your first post sounded more like rage than constructive criticism.
I try to make a point and you focus on everything BESIDES the point I make. Perhaps next time you could focus on what they're trying to say instead of the tone of voice?
>Leave this thread alone if you people hate it so much.
Yeah, I was planning to make this my last post in the thread. I'm outta here. Not a bad idea though to tell the people who have a negative opinion to stay out, while the people with positive opinions to stay in though.
"It's a tutorial video. That's what he said."
I stopped reading there.
Edit: Cosby is a ninja editer.
Yeah, I just fixed that in the edit. Accidents happen; it's the willingness to fix them that makes it better!
So you're just proving that you don't want there to be any criticism? One thing that may or not be wrong doesn't invalidate a point, seeing as that's how you are trying to dodge the criticism .
What? I'm fully open to criticism. Take Taz's second post for example. It's the criticism that is backed by rage that nobody cares to listen to.
Just got to say one thing: congratulations in completing UFSC and giving proof!
...What is at the end of it all? Just another Sanctuary machine?
@Butt hurts - TL;DR Seriously. XD But carry on, hit those keys harder. I won't stop you. ^_^ (And don't pretend like you're not, you don't write that much if you don't care.)
@Eclecticmessiah - Exactly. Silly us for thinking this stuff was self evident I guess. =D
@Exiledread - A valid point, one I think that has been and will continue to be ignored. I wouldn't worry about it though. It's their problem.
@Ranick - Confused here, you talking to exile or me? Because if it's exile, he didn't make the video, not sure what criticism he's trying to dodge. If it's me then yah, criticize my video all you like, you're right, I put it out there. That comes with the territory. You'll always get trolls, jerks, and people projecting their own reasoning into you. If you got a question I don't mind answering. You have good advice or tips on it, cool I'll read them, but if you're just letting the world know boo hoo this and that. Oh wells, am I supposed to be upset or care?
If you're not referring to me, yah ignore all that, I haven't read everything. ^_^
@Aumir - Thanks. Yeah it's the same with all the Shadow Lairs. Same levels of the original, and then the Unknown Passage followed with the Sanctuary. The Sanctuary will have the material related to the boss you just killed.
You mirin trojan ride @ 1:03.
Negative criticism isn't inherently unproductive. If there is an occasion for constructive criticism, it is implied that the target of this criticism is poorly executed yet adequately conceptualized. There are instances where the concept itself is inadequate. It is, however, recommended that negative and constructive criticism be used in conjunction for appropriate evaluation.
Now about the video itself. How is it possible that any species that has evolved consciousness can possibly find anything redeemable in that barely passable excuse for music?
@Khamsin Huh what? Here's your @. XD I rolled back up and read your post. Saw the quoting and initially thought it was in the same vein as the others and passed over it. It's fairly stated though, so I don't have a problem answering. Though I couldn't figure out what point you were making, or what you think the term "slapped together" infers exactly. I don't see it as a matter of poorly advertised. The first comments in question weren't about that, they were more like in that category of "This sucks lol." If that was a concern it's not a difficult thing to state. If this was a concern of yours than you may be projecting here, and I wouldn't lump myself in with that lot. That's not what they're going on about.
And the part about what you like, well, that stuff I find uninteresting. It's just a preference thing though, I'm not going to try to spend my time ripping on it or telling you why you're wrong about liking those videos. When I see those videos, I close them, and I do something else. Because it's not my thing.
I'm not suggesting you're arrogant, because it doesn't read as you're suggesting it, but it would be arrogant say for me to suggest the creators of those videos you like of that variety conform what they do to suit my interests. It's just childish and narrow minded to demand (and more so to expect) that people mold what they do around you, especially if there is an abundance of what you want or like all around you. This is just the place for it too, on the Internet. It's not like I'm duct taping people's eyes open and making them watch my simple and shoddy video under the threat of bodily harm. But hey they're free to demand, just as I'm free to ignore. No problems.
I totally understand there are people who can't get over the thought of people liking things they don't like, and people who are too dense and lazy to spend their time with things they like and want everything to bend around them so there's no effort on their part. In my experience they're very useful people in society and have lots of friends and have healthy relationships!!! XDDDD
@Glutes Yeah that Trojan knew it had to get you out of there.
And wow we got ourselves quasi-intellectual aggro now, I think the thread is complete now. See, I use unnecessary amounts of very elaborately weaved written verbal constructs in which I most technically extracted most probably with the assistance of a thesaurus, which as you should know is not actually a dinosaur. Thus said, I command excellent and irrefutable evidence that you should observe what I utter, and without hesitation respect it to the fullest capacity. ^_^
Oh man funny stuff. A good chuckle is a great way to end the night. It's probably a master troll that deserves some sort of kudos.
I was simply saying what I think. Perhaps there's an audience for montage videos still. I'm just saying I personally, when looking for videos, want to just see good fights all the way through. I kind of smelled a bit of rage I couldn't really tell. Maybe you like putting montages out there, but not everyone is going to like montages.
Now with my pretentious quasi-intellectualism and your disgusting lack of appreciation for connotation and style out of the way, please stop deflecting my question and answer it.
People have different tastes. It doesn't matter how smart or dumb you are. There's really no other way to answer your question. In fact by stating your question the way you did, you're proving Shisho's point by attempting to get him to conform to your own tastes.
So you're really having this argument now, aren't you? Taste is something that one can't argue about. My favorite color would be gold. If you don't like that, go ahead and sue me. You could also just go ahead and accept me the way I am, gold being my favorite color.
@Khamsin Montages are still a big thing on the internet. For all I care, they should be. Again, it's all about preference. I enjoyed this short montage and I have seen enough to imagine the rest. It's just a quick revamp of the regular FSC anyway, so use a little bit of your imagination and you'll know what the entire run would look like. In case the music is what killed it for you, you're still the one in control of your computer, you can hit the mute button.
Lastly, try to judge this video for what it is, not what it could be. It is a montage, not a walkthrough. For a montage, this was pretty well done.
"Montages are still a big thing on the internet."
I don't know about one. They were pretty big about 3-4 years ago but I think interest has died down in that sort of thing. Today is the age of wikis and walk-throughs and what-not. Not saying you can't like montages, but I haven't seen people posting them for games in a while unless it is a PVP montage.
I think the main point here is that you didn't advertise the video as a montage so the people who came into the thread were not the people who are likely to enjoy your video. I admit I came into the thread hoping to find a video showing some, if not all of the combat and I was disappointed. It's not a poor video, it just doesn't do what you said it did.
@Khamsin I happen to know that Call of Duty montages are still made and watched. I also happen to know that there are still movies in theatres that have trailers out to promote them. That's sort of a montage as well. What's more, I'm working on two montages myself. Montages aren't dead or anything.
@Evilduck A montage is a video. He said it was a video showing UFSC. I think he advertised everything just right, people just expected something else. If one ''slaps a video together'', they're generally talking about a montage.
As Exileddread already posted before; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnochoVEr4s&feature=related .
@Fyridor You appear to be in the minority, everyone else in this thread agrees with me. A montage is a particular type of video, so stating it was a montage would have attracted the audience he wanted, which is what I said. And it doesn't show UFSC in any way except to show us what it looks like. No one's interested in that, they want to know what's down there and how people are dealing with it. A montage with annoying zoom shots and stupid slow motion replays isn't what he advertised at all and I'm not surprised he got this reception. He wanted to show off, that's obvious.
"I happen to know that Call of Duty montages are still made and watched. "
That would be PVP bro.
"Another video I slapped together to show people the new dungeon."
-Gasp- I could have swore all that footage took place in UFSC.
Honestly stop trying to argue over what kind of video you were looking for. If it wasn't the type you wanted, move on. I already posted one that would probably suit your needs better. Enjoy the forty minute video showing you every last detail.
@Evilduck
I'm sorry, but everyone doesn't agree with you. The people looking for a complete walkthrough of UFSC agrees with you. That's not what this video is. And lol, zoom and slow motion effects? The only zoom effect was on glutes because he is special and there should have been more zoom effects on him riding the trojans Through the Fire and Flames.
Honestly disliking this video is like me going on a walkthrough when looking for a montage and posting pointless crap about it simply because the walkthrough didn't state it was a walkthrough.
Move on already rofl.
Yes. Very.