Spiral Knights - Competing with the developers in the AH is not right!

Competing with the developers in the AH is not right!

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Fri, 11/11/2011 - 22:03

Dimard

Man this latest patch really screws over people like me who have items up on the AH. When i put my stuff up on the auction house this morning i did now anticipate with having to compete with the developers of the game for sales. It really is BS. Now my AH items are competing with a sudden influx of ultra rare items on the AH. You know, the items that were SUPPOSED to be in lockboxes from the very beginning. But hey, at least this time they are copping to it and actually admitting they are doing it. I mean, before they put up a ton of shadow keys and never admitted it was them placing on AH. Remember 15 shadow keys all going up with 60k bid no buyout, very long auctions.

PLEASE ALLOW ANYONE WITH ITEMS ON THE AH TO CANCEL THEIR AUCTIONS AND BE REFUNDED THEIR LISTING FEE. I WOULD NOT HAVE PUT UP MY ITEMS IF YOU (OOO) WOULD HAVE -----------> FOR ONCE!!!!!!!!!!!!<---------WOULD HAVE RELEASED PATCH NOTES WITH APPROPRIATE ADVANCE WARNING. HOW MANY TIMES WILL YOU CONTINUE TO FAIL US BY FAILING TO GIVE US WARNING IN ADVANCE SO WE CAN INTELLIGENTLY PLAN ON HOW WE WANT TO MANAGE SUCH THINGS.

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 22:13

Vermilionshadow

This accessory thing is

This accessory thing is getting ridiculous, for once, they could've just released these accessories individually like everything else. But now we have to get slapped in the face with such nonsence. By all means, I completety adore these accessories, but seeing ONLY one of them available In-game to everyone, AND seeing players fight over it like a bunch of spoiled children is absurd. I would love to try to get these accessories, but seeing that this is the only method possible of getting these accessories disappoints me greatly. *sigh* Another annoying crown sinker that nobody wants...........

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 22:24

Psychodestroyer

Not rly...

I think they are still obtainable from ILs, but because they are supposed to be super rare, there are some for sale on AH for whoever cares to get them.

But, I'm broke, so I'll have to wait AGES to even get my mecha wings that I want. I don't even have a preference about which type, but it'll still take me generations to get it. ><

Mecha wings are possibly the only accessory that I want anyway.

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 22:27

Nodocchi

Unless you have extremely

Unless you have extremely rare accessories or equipment on the market, you are not in direct competition with OOO. The players who are buying 2 and 3* equipment don't have nearly enough money to even consider buying the stuff OOO posted up.

@Vermilion
That is only your own opinion, this crown sink was much needed and selling rare accessories was a great idea on OOO's part to introduce a much needed crown sink after the infinite crowns bug drove up CE prices earlier. And you could always open lockboxes and hope you are extremely lucky, I'm sure if these items are not in the lockboxes OOO would have told us so.

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 22:44

Rommil

i feel for anyone

who has 5* gear on the AH.

There were numerous weapons and armors (new toys) that i had my eyes on and was considering spending the couple million crowns i have accumulated. Stuff that is going to end before these accessories are at short.

Now i will not bid on a single item, but rather try and win prismatic/auras once they reach short.
The market for MAX UV 5* gear and these new accessories are the exact same market. And anyone selling that gear now has no shot at my money, as i am only interested in the accessories. This is going to be true for a lot of us perceived rich players who only buy new stuff b/c we want knew toys to play with. I guarantee you that any items mr.dimard is selling will now not get a single glance from me, same for anyone selling any gear.

but you are right, these will not compete with 2-3-even 4* gear. different markets.

also, i think its safe enough to say that many of these items had yet to be placed, as millions of lockboxes were opened and no halo's, (real) wings, exist of any style. As well as a few aura's up that no one (Short of spiral spy) has ever seen.

Lastly: if they would have said
"hey guys, we are giving out X, Y, and Z x3 in lockboxes sure to be discovered this weekend!!!" then anyone would have a shot at these. AS it is, the way they introduced these on teh AH assures you guys that only us "perceived rich" people even have a shot at getting one of these money accessories. By seeding them in lockboxes, the poor, rich, and middlin alike would have had 100% equal odds per lockbox.--or prize wheel. or birdsong giveaway. whatever.

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 22:47

Giannii

ooo also placed many of the

ooo also placed many of the common accessories even ordered by colors, so yes they are competing with the regular players. Unless it was someone else that placed those items? but they are so neatly ordered I doubt it.

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 23:48

Faceted

I feel for those people who opened countless boxes to get the Wings.

It seems that it wasn't even possible to get the Wings from lockboxes in the first place. This game is catered to people who are willing to pay, that's why you see many an increasing number of players quitting by the weeks.

I guess the Wings section was put up there so as to entice players to rage-open lockboxes. These players have every right to feel cheated by OOO.

Sat, 11/12/2011 - 00:40

Pawn

makes me wonder

if they are bidding against us with fake crowns to drive up prices.

Sat, 11/12/2011 - 00:43

Dirt

@Pawn

Probably the dumbest thought to pass through these forums, and we've had such wonder all-stars as GodofSkype1.

Sat, 11/12/2011 - 01:00

Mbcscp

my 2c worth

honestly this game is starting to turn into a joke ... no wonder so many are quitting
only way to obtain certain items i guess is for the DEVS to sell them on AH ...

if oOo is gonna put items on the AH they should compensate any seller who also selling that particular item.

PS: if oOo is gonna sell items then here is what i want
> Love Locket x2
> Blitz Needle: very high CTR + very high fiend + very high undead
> Divine Avenger: very high ASI + very high CTR + very high undead

to GMs to negotiate the trade > ingame or mail: Mbcscp

Thank You (^_^)

Sat, 11/12/2011 - 00:54

#10

Dirt

@Mbcscp

That would be fine, except no one was selling what was put on the AH as they are extremely rare and have not been reported in-game. I'm somewhat suspicious that they may not have ever been available for whatever reason and they are using this as a chance to put them out there.

Sat, 11/12/2011 - 00:54

#11

Madadder

prehaps i missed the memo

prehaps i missed the memo what happened to the AH exactly

Sat, 11/12/2011 - 01:03

#12

Mbcscp

im asking for a bit much really :)

to the DEVS of the game... have about 10m CR atm which im happy to give up for just

x1 DA: vh ASI + vh CTR + vh undead
x1 Love Locket

GMS plz message me ingame @ Mbcscp

Sat, 11/12/2011 - 01:05

#13

Dirt

@Mbcscp

They aren't selling items you can buy from players, doofus. Only rare accessories.

Sat, 11/12/2011 - 01:30

#14

Faceted

@Mbcscp: Wow, I wonder how much you have spent on this game. Care to share? :D

@Dirt: You would never know... Who would have thought that GMs could put items in AH for sale?

Sat, 11/12/2011 - 01:32

#15

Selenashine

Uh, the problem if competing

Uh, the problem if competing interests for crowns is a minor one, and one that will go away.

What I would be concerned about is how OOO is releasing something which can be obtained by chance, if we believe what they say. The low AH prices of accessories is balanced by the extremely high prices of rare accessories, so that while you will most likely make a loss opening lockboxes, there is a slim chance to win the lottery. If before, you made a 70% return on average, will these items bring it down to 60%? That's quite a bit.

Sat, 11/12/2011 - 01:43

#16

Dirt

@Faceted

@Dirt: You would never know... Who would have thought that GMs could put items in AH for sale?

They would stand to gain nothing from doing this. If you look this little stunt has been causing CE prices to even out and even drop a tad. That's not really the best news for OOO. It's not like the GMs went rogue and inserted the items. It was planned by the administration and could have been done purely by editing them in, not through actual auctions being posted.

Sat, 11/12/2011 - 01:47

#17

Mbcscp

@Dirt:
> i know they aren't selling items to players ... they shouldn't be selling anything on AH period
> so why insult me ? did i insult you ?

@Faceted:
> i care not to share ... its enough put it that way ...

Sat, 11/12/2011 - 01:57

#18

Dirt

@Dirt: > i know they aren't

@Dirt:
> i know they aren't selling items to players ... they shouldn't be selling anything on AH period

Didn't see you post on the forums when they were selling Shadow Keys. I'm really curious as to why you think this is a bad thing.

Sat, 11/12/2011 - 02:02

#19

Kurozu

This is all kind of silly.

This is all kind of silly. Yes, you're competing with the rare item auctions, but only insofar as they cost crowns. That's it. That's all. You're also in direct competition with Punch the Variant Smith, because people might spend their crowns on UVs instead!

Quite frankly, I'm grateful for the crown sink. Hopefully it'll help the energy market to stabilise.

Sat, 11/12/2011 - 02:03

#20

Judisu

Good for the majority

I for one am glad they're doing this. Yah, it screws over a few people, but it's helping out a majority of the population. It's driving down the artificially inflated ce prices due to the crown glitch last week and prevents the market manipulators from banking on the aftermath of the bug. The other downside is that some of those glitchers have the best shots at obtaining the accessories out of the entire population. Not exactly fair, but at least those crowns are going to disappear from the market and it'll stop the ce inflation from running rampant.

I get the feeling those are the people they're targeting with this decision, and hey if others want to purchase ce with real money to compete in the auctions I'm sure OOO is cool with that too. ;)

Cynicism aside, to me this shows OOO's initiative to correct the ce market for the F2P population after some people clearly took advantage of the bug. I appreciate that.

Sat, 11/12/2011 - 02:22

#21

Rommil

the next thing

that you post that is intelligent or worthwhile will be the first Dirt.

Sat, 11/12/2011 - 02:27

#22

Faceted

@Dirt: You were extremely wrong when you said that 'They would stand to gain nothing from doing this'.

In fact, I can already forsee many people buying CE from OOO to convert to crowns and bid for these items on AH.

So they would stand to gain alot of revenue from it, use your brains and stop being naive.

@Rommil: My exact sentiments....

Sat, 11/12/2011 - 02:41

#23

Niichi

People complain that these

People complain that these rare accessories haven't appeared to turn up anywhere.
People complain that the game needs crown sinks.

Three Rings combines the two, giving a shot at getting these rare accessories while also acting to take a lot of crowns out of circulation.
People still complain.

Can't please everyone I guess. Though I don't think the devs particularly care that they would be affecting sales of 5 star equipment. The binding system seems to exist to actively discourage (although not outright forbid) that to begin with.

Sat, 11/12/2011 - 04:05

#24

Dottor-Troione

It's a great crown-sink, so

It's a great crown-sink, so I'm very happy with this.

a little OT: does anyone know if Shades have been released (seen them with SpiralSpy)

@Judisu: as far as I know, people who exploited the crown glitch were all banned and if they gave crowns to others, this money has been confiscated as well.

Sat, 11/12/2011 - 05:09

#25

Jygantic-Forum

Dear OOO Can I have my 22K CE

Dear OOO

Can I have my 22K CE back that I spent on lockboxes and keys in order to find these accessories so that I can now try and bid on them.

Thanks.

Sat, 11/12/2011 - 05:40

#26

Algol-Sixty

Part of a free market is that

Part of a free market is that you can't control who you compete with. What OOO has done is no different than if some individual got very very lucky and won all of these in lockboxes and put them up. I've had auctions not sell because I put stuff up at what had been a stable selling price, only to find that someone came in and flooded the market. *shrug* It happens.

Personally, as of this morning, I'm still selling semi-highend items, not stuff that costs 5kCE+, but close.

Your super rare stuff will still be available for sale next week. At most, you lost your listing fee, but that was always at risk anyway.

I'm fine with OOO selling accessories and shadow keys for crowns. I think it would be better for the game (and them) if they made that permanent.

Sat, 11/12/2011 - 06:17

#27

Pawn

Survey says

@ Jygantic: Exactly

@ Algol-Sixty: Your entire post missed. To Quote, "Part of a free market is that you can't control who you compete with. What OOO has done is no different than if some individual got very very lucky and won all of these in lockboxes and put them up." @Algol well that defies my explanations.
First, OOO competeing in the market makes it by definition NOT a free market. A free market is free of what??????--->OOO
Second, there is no "highend" gear that sells for less than 5k CE.
Third, Yes people lose there listing fee. The list fee is a calculated risk, that did not include OOO deciding they were gonna make the items that were SUPPOSED to be in lockboxes in the AH.
Fourth, i'm fine with them selling accessories and shadow keys for crowns as well. They are doing it wrong.
Fifth, are you fine knowing that at any time OOO can do something that screws u over without warning. All that is needed is a 3-4 days notification in advance and everyone can intelligently plan around it. This is only like the 3rd time they've screwed us over by not having the courtesy to let us know in advance.
Sixth, none of this was intended to be rude, so please don't take it that way.

@Dirt, your opinion is as valuable as your name. Rest assured. If i am reasoning on the forums, i accept in advance it excludes you.

@Mbcscp, completely agree with you.

@Faceted, agree with you too.

Sat, 11/12/2011 - 06:36

#28

Jygantic-Forum

@Pawn - comment fifth - I

@Pawn - comment fifth - I actually left an online game before playing SK for precisely that reason - halfwy through a month (and for the third time, even after a huge uproar fromt he community) they completely changed the game - and actually caused an investment on my behalf to become pretty much useless. I was so angry I left the game- I came to SK - when I first got here, I was like wow.. this is really really well made.. and I invested a little. and I found it fun, and it was just a shade of the price that some other online games cost to invest in. And I got good on my investment - I made high level gear, I was fighting vana.. doing great stuff that I really enjoyed.

Slowly I have seen over the months OOO going down the same path of the game that I left..

Accessory-gate and shadow-gate are just appauling. I have stopped investing.. I am looking at other games.. and now I see people putting their hard earned crowns into something that should have already been available.

SK is just a bad joke atm.. and it started so well - yes there's great content.. there's fantastic gameplay.. But people have ALREADY paid for that. Now they are being squeezed.. Drip by drip and most of the 'richies' have seen it all already.. they're not stupid..and they left OOO's market is slowly becoming one of new users wanting to buy high end content - the worst part about it is, it will work.

I've never played wow.. but I heard so many people complain about that game and it's monthly fees - people grinding for gold.. getting merc'd just outside of town etc.. but honestly I could see myself going over there because it's stable - I know what Im getting for my money..

SK has turned into a sidestall at the funfair.. They will take your money. That's it. They took everyone elses.

Sat, 11/12/2011 - 06:38

#29

Algol-Sixty

A free market is free of

A free market is free of what??????

A free market is free of barriers to entry and exit. By saying OOO can not participate as a buyer/seller, you are asking for a market that is less free. OOO is not regulating the prices. OOO isn't regulating the supply or demand. They are just entering market as a seller. Sure, their cost of manufacturing is far cheaper than you or me, but nothing in the definition of a free market says that all players have to have the same costs.

Fifth, are you fine knowing that at any time OOO can do something that screws u over without warning.

I play the game. I've read the ToS. Therefore, yes, of course, I'm fine knowing that at any time OOO can screw me over. They can ban me from the game for using the word "klaxicinator" in a forum post.

Fortunately, OOO rarely does that kind of thing on purpose. In this case, I don't see any harm at all. There are far more people buying CE in order to get crowns in order to try to buy these accessories than there are accessories to buy. Once most of these people realize they aren't going to be able to buy the rare accessories, they will go looking for other things to spend their new crowns on.

You cry about lemons. I see lemonade sales.

Sat, 11/12/2011 - 07:16

#30

Mbcscp

hmmm

problem with OOO entering the free market is it ceases being a free market
they can sell any item for nothing which i can never do without loosing out ...

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> just on accessories OOO has a distinct advantage that i can never have
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
OOO controls the supply and demand by determining
1.1: cost of silver keys
1.2: probability of winning a LockBox at prize wheel
1.2: probability of any and all accessories upon opening a LockBox
1.2: probability of winning a rare accessory from LockBox ... which is about zero
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ME entering the game
1.1 cost of a silver cost = 750CE
1.2 have to win a LockBox or buy on AH = time or about 1000CR
1.3 any accessory = sure i'm gonna win one thats guaranteed
1.4 win say a rare accessory = maybe after a few 100 LockBox openings which aint free :(
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Sat, 11/12/2011 - 07:26

#31

Algol-Sixty

problem with OOO entering the

problem with OOO entering the free market is it ceases being a free market they can sell any item for nothing which i can never do without loosing out ...

I suggest you read that link I provided above carefully. Again, *NO WHERE* in the definition of a free market does it require all parties to have equal costs. And, if you think it OOO nothing, you fail to understand Opportunity costs, the Value of time in particular.

You are throwing around economic terms without understanding them.

But, go on complaining. People who have a clue are going to make a profit off of this.

Sat, 11/12/2011 - 07:33

#32

Pawn

@ Algol

I call klaxinator on the whole klaxinating thing!!! I lul'd.

But you linked a definition that i think supports my opinion more than yours. At least the paragraph, and i'm not gonna read the whole page...ya know, since i'm already familiar with what is and is not a free market...

@msbspc. Yep again. Don't forget to add you were told lockboxes were a reasonable means of getting those items.

The patch notes certainly didn't say, AND lockboxes where u can get drab maidbands, dusky maidbands, drab barrel bodies, cool maidband (continues on for 50000 crappy items repeated over and over and over), and 1 wolver tail!!!!

Sat, 11/12/2011 - 08:16

#33

Mbcscp

Algol-Sixty: *NO WHERE* in the definition of a free market does it require all parties to have equal costs.
> OOO can sell a "Divine Avenger: Very High CTR" for 1CR and profit
> neither me nor any player in the game can do that without lose
> costs don't have to be equal but the rules of the game have to be the same for everyone or its rigged system ...

Algol-Sixty: But, go on complaining. People who have a clue are going to make a profit off of this.
> be careful here ... OOO can change the rules mid game to screw you over

for the record i'm not complaining ... if OOO wish to sell items then i've already stated what i want :)
the accessories they are selling atm don't interest me ... nor will i drop millions on the accessories i'd like

Sat, 11/12/2011 - 08:56

#34

Sorou

As much as I hate getting

As much as I hate getting involved in rants like these, it's time i gave my two cents.

Yes, what OOO is doing with the accessories is totally favoring the wealthy class of players. Now I ask you: so what? If you don't feel it's right for people to spend money on that, then don't bother with it. Let the rich people throw their money out the window if they want. Besides, when you have millions of crowns, you find you have a lot more money than what to do with. Part of what OOO has done is provide something to spend money on for those rich players with nothing worthwhile to buy. Accessories are purely vanity items. They don't provide any defense or damage bonuses. There's no reason to buy them other than to look cool. Poor players can continue on getting better equipment, since they really aren't missing out on much. Rich players can seize the opportunity to spend their wealth on something pretty. Sure, you might feel you're competing with them for sales, but even if you are, the worst that can happen is you lose maybe a few thousand from the listing fee, which you probably already earned back anyway, and there's always that risk with the AH.

I don't think OOO would spend all those years working on this game just to have everyone quit a few months after release. It's not the smartest thing to do. Especially considering that OOO isn't exactly the next Blizzard, to say the least (cite ONE game that's been a massive success for OOO. Just one. I dare you). If you want the accessories, grin and bear the spending of money, and if not, don't go ranting on something that doesn't affect you anyway.

I feel like I'm gonna get rage for that.
~ Sorou ★

Sat, 11/12/2011 - 09:36

#35

Hanktron

Algol: "Advocates of a free

Algol:
"Advocates of a free market traditionally consider the term to imply that the means of production is under private, and not state control or co-operative ownership. This is the contemporary use of the term "free market" by economists and in popular culture; the term has had other uses historically."

From your link. Don't give me some BS about how it used to mean something else but it has since been ruined by uneducated political commentator types. It's used by economists (all according to YOUR link, of course, you could backtrack on that if you want) now. The current definition is the one that matters. The one people that are not economic historians actually use. The world of economic thought has changed since Smith.

Of all the OOO is ruining the economy threads, I am most sympathetic to this one. But for the record, I still don't really give a rat's. I don't see this affecting me in any significant way. Also, people need to remember it's a f***ing video game. Also, remember you can't swear on the forums (OMG! MORE market interference!!!!1_)

Sat, 11/12/2011 - 09:49

#36

Nodocchi

Honestly, unannounced changes

Honestly, unannounced changes made by OOO has made players more profit than it has done harm. And in every case, not announcing the change has allowed OOO to minimize the amount of players who exploited the change. Take for example the patch made all 4 and 5* items bound, people who still had 4 and 5* unbound items made a killing off of it, but if OOO announced it in advance, everyone would have been hoarding 4 and 5* equipment. I can't really think of any other instance that OOO did not make a prior announcement so feel free to give me a counter example. It is all about making the best of the changes, there are always opportunities for money to be made with every change OOO introduces, but some players would rather whine about the several thousand crowns they lose now rather than think of the several hundred thousand they stand to gain.

Sat, 11/12/2011 - 10:06

#37

Dirt

@Pawn

I still don't see how OOO is competing in the market. This is no different than if the NPC was selling the items themselves. The crowns will be removed from the economy as soon as the auctions are over. They started them at a very low, reasonable price and it was the players themselves that put the bids up as high as they are.

If you really, truly believe that the people bidding on these items would even need to bother with your second-rate items listed on the AH then you are seriously mistaken. The people bidding on these items already have what they want and more. Like I've said on this subject before: if these items were being sold by a player and OOO did this it would be seriously unfair, but these items have never been seen in-game and therefore will end up being nothing but a blip in the bigger picture.

It's so common for you over-opinionated players to come to forums any time OOO does anything outside of the norm and complain I am really getting sick and tired of it. These forums are not for discussing things with the developers and you are not going to reach a large enough audience here to get some kind of movement going. You're just spinning your wheels, just like everyone else who's ever made threads like this in the past.

Sat, 11/12/2011 - 13:44

#38

Kickthebucket

the only people who can

the only people who can afford these items have been playing since the beta and have nothing else to do in this game... there are wings in the AH with a bid OVER 6 milion crown... i mean i didn't buy a damn thing not crafted a damn thing for 3 weeks and still i only have 300K how in gods name is somebody who still actualy PLAYS the game going to come up with that kind of crown???

but then again same thing happend to shadow keys and these things might be available trough a NPC soon. alltough i would have liked some wings and a halo at these player driven prices you can stick it somewhere the sun won't shine (in your pocket...)

Sat, 11/12/2011 - 14:38

#39

Eclecticmessiah

Did I miss something? I

Did I miss something? I always knew the devs were putting up items, but did something very obvious and/or bad happen in the market today?

Sat, 11/12/2011 - 15:07

#40

Keelan

The rare accessories are so

The rare accessories are so cool. But of course, my Ruby Bombhead won't place any accessories on the top or front of the headband, meaning I can't get the shades or one of those toupees.

Sat, 11/12/2011 - 15:37

#41

Littlerbit

@Eclectic

I dunno if you got a letter saying SUPER RARE accessories were put up in AH, and they're now reaching close to the most expensive items on the market. CE prices are dropping, and we're not even into the second day of bidding. The Flame Aura has reaching 2 million crowns and should reach 5 million by the end of the auction.

Sat, 11/12/2011 - 15:40

#42

Xairathan

/Derp

Uh.. about that Aura... my GM Rubyeclipse is controlling that.... and I think the Volcanic Wings too... please don't outbid him XD He's raging

Sat, 11/12/2011 - 15:47

#43

Mysticbeam

lol

i also dont usually get involved with threads like this for fear o flaming and losing popularity :D

but here goes :P :

OOO found this bug and fixed it, but players already had used there millions of crs to bump up CE prices like crazy

therefore, to return natural gameplay to the game, they needed some crs back in the system. so far, i think the total bids are at 3million- 5 million crowns.

i think if that goes back into the system, CE will be a bit less

ALSO, OOO isnt directly interfering with the system :)

we can just say that a VERY lucky player put those up( OOO got those accessories bc they were lucky enough to be on that team :)

u dont go around flaming lucky players, do u? what if somebody opened a box and got one of those? would u go call him/her a hacker or a OOO representative? i hope not lol.

they put it up, the CE market ganis around 4million crowns, every1 sells there CE now and buy when it goes down, and so on.

this means: PROFIT for OOO and players.

this also means: that the exploitors spend all there badly earned crowns, which is good because there gonna get banned, and we dont want them 2 take their crowns with them :)

Conclusion: CE market Price goes down, the hackers and there accessories get banned, and most ppl are happy

sorry for my newspaper style of writing :)

Sat, 11/12/2011 - 19:52

#44

Aumir

It is SO a trap and is working SO well

The thing that is baffling me is how people are taking the bait so easily. After those infinite crowns players get their accesories, OOO will easily track them and ban them because they exploited the system so badly. And the most tragic part of it? We won't ever get to see them, as the people who get those extremely elusive items won't be at the game anymore by the time they get it. They could be bought by a vet player maybe, but what is the chance, really? I think vet players care more about having new content than accessories.

Also, is surprising that CE prices are getting down fast enough as they all took the bait. They could have an infinite amount of energy by being slower with their offers and not rising so much the prices.... but well, there was today a person with like 80 offers at 63xx, so someone seems (not) intelligent enough yet.

I also wonder if they are already doomed from possibly existing registers from people bidding.

Sat, 11/12/2011 - 21:05

#45

Xairathan

@Aumir

Oh god that better not happen. Like I said before the one holding the bids on the Flame Aura and Volcanic Wings is my guildmaster, and he's legit. He wasn't even on at the time of the glitch, and the guild can attest to that.

I honestly hope that's not OOO's intentions

Sat, 11/12/2011 - 21:06

#46

Rubyeclipse

Aumir - you'll see the new

Aumir - you'll see the new items. This isn't a trap, it's a crownsink. The winners will be the people who spend lots of money on CE, and who are there when the auctions finish.

To the OP - You're really not competing with the devs. No offense, but I wouldn't have bid crowns on any of your items on the AH at all. My choice to bid on super rare items is not taking any crowns away from you - you never would have seen them in the first place.

Xair - Aumir is just making up random assumptions. Don't believe anything not stated by OOO. You know better than to believe random rumors! ; )

Sat, 11/12/2011 - 21:33

#47

Yagballs

I find it odd that people are

I find it odd that people are saying OOO made this to remove all the glitched crowns from the economy.

Hasn't it occured to you that OOO can easily wipe out your crowns without the need of an AH sale? And weren't the glitch abusers banned already, along with their alts?

It's simple: OOO is doing this to further feed their greed. There's no heroic deed being done here (removing said glitched crowns) or whatever. They just want folks who can afford scramble and whip out their wallets. End of story.

Sat, 11/12/2011 - 21:18

#48

Rubyeclipse

I'm really glad they're

I'm really glad they're finally putting these items out. I spent more CE than I care to think about trying to get a flame aura and volcanic wings, and now at least one person in the game will finally equip them.

Sat, 11/12/2011 - 21:26

#49

Yagballs

And that one person is.. you?

And that one person is.. you? So by those words you're like guaranteeing you'll win those items huh?

We'll see.

Sat, 11/12/2011 - 21:28

#50

Rubyeclipse

Not necessarily. I may be the

Not necessarily. I may be the high bidder on most of them at the moment, but it's never a guarantee. : ) They could easily go to someone else, but I'd say the odds of anybody who wins one not putting it on is quite slim.

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