Yeah, it's like someone deliberately tries to make it fiend. I don't mind either shock or poison, but T3 devilites are a bit too much for me. I just can't find a way to stay alive and kill them, that's all.

You dont understand what i mean: shock comes from blue and purple and is counter by green. Green makes poison.
Yellow counters fiend. Undead forms with yellow.
It's like a double boycott.

Some players are forcing a Fiend stratum in the last seconds before the gate launches by depositing hundreds of Crimsonite (red) and Dark matter (purple) minerals.

You can counteract by deposing other minerals (especially Luminite minerals) against the two minerals.

Actually I know for a fact there's a group that tries to turn Strata 5 Vana into Fiend. If I remember right there's actually a couple big guilds in on it. Not my guild, just what I remember hearing.

Cheers! I'm off to show the Fiends the error of their ways... with a DBB.

~Gwen

i just hate fiends... and i demand a decent piercing weapon the 3 piercing swords are just anoying for me... i want a 2 swing piercing weapon!!!

and again i hate fiends... well i just hate devilites!!! MAN i hated them in T1, i dispised them in T2 and god forbid me i want to nuke the stratum in T3 (and dark city maps are BOOOOORRRIIIINNGGGGG)

but i'm not going to fight over it to get the gate into an other theme and monsters (let them troll the living crap out of that gate for all i care) but it's good for the divine set so if you have that you just want some piercing or normal damage (and if you are like me and hate the piercing sword just use a levi)

I don't think this is a "conspiracy" or something. It's just a very obvious thing to do.

Sick of all the random groups you meet turning fsc into a giant refrigerator? Tired of watching all your team mates run away as soon as a single zombie starts moving ("omg its coming right at me!!!1111")? Annoyed by rooms full of harmless mobs rooted into the ground in positions where you can hit only one at a time? Bored while you had to watch your team members shoot down frozen zombies one by one with their antiguas for 2 hours? Dark city is the thing you're looking for! Put it in front of fsc, it doesn't have to make any sense, you'll feel better just looking at it already, trust me on that!

"Or are you afraid of things that move and just here for the easiest grinding you can find? Enjoy charging your freeze bomb in a small room full of devilites (or possibly greavers in clockwork tunnels), while your team mates instantly free them again with antigua spam! :P".

Thx to anyone else putting the right mats in there!

(/me goes to hide from the angry mob now )

Isn't this sort of the exact reason minerals and stratum manipulation exists? So players can have some say in what they want to play? Not a boycott, just a little change for whatever players/guilds might want. Obviously, autosell usually reigns dominant, doesn't it. If you don't want those specific stratums, then talk to your guild/friends/community even, and organize something to counter! Because that's what we do if we want fiend stratums.

When it comes down to S5, it doesn't really matter enough which stratum it is, since the crown rates are never really that good for the first stratum of a tier. Might as well throw in a little challenge instead of just going with generic Concrete Jungles and Jigsaw Valleys, no?

Take this as an opportunity to better your skills and try out different strategies and gear. Having too much trouble? Try a shadow shield, maybe a shivermist. Bring a decent party, instead of just pugging! (or soloing)

Game up!

Being bored is relative. Myself, I'm bored of Jelly and Beast; Those two stratum types used to be very common in the past. Fiend was never really all that common back then, and since it's a bit more challenging than normal, it's a nice change in the pace for me and friends. Though it hasn't really been fiend all the time - Last week it was Gremlin, no? A couple weeks ago we had poison and construct, I believe. Probably results of when those guilds that want fiend fail to generate it, but still. :v

As for actual gear? The main thing you'd need is a shadow shield, really. I usually just run Dark City with my generic Vog Cub set. The normal defense it has doesn't really make much of a difference against fiends or undead, other than against trojans.

If you want to actually manipulate gates though, you'll need more minerals than just yours and possibly of a couple friends' - You're competing against guilds and autosell here.

Again, don't view it as a filter, view it as an opportunity to better yourself and try out new strategies.

And this is why the Fiend Stratum should be removed. The only enemy there even remotely worth saving is the Trojan.

But the other gates suck! There are mobs that move slightly faster than zombies there and one time, something shot at me repeatedly until I was dead, even though there was shivermist spam in the whole room!

that fiend spamming made me pretty good at killing fiends. theres tons of ways to pwn them. you can use stagger, voltaic, shiver, DBB or Nitro - i'll bet AoA works great too. pulsar spam destroys them like everything else. if you bring a CoA, your shield will probably never be broken. the key is remember where they spawn, USING COVER (dont destroy all of the crystal blocks because they provide great cover) and if necessary, luring them to a place where you are at advantage. my problem is that fiend levels dont give crap for money so its a waste of energy!

@Asukalanforum No, I'm saying people create fiend levels with THEIR minerals because that's what THEY want. If you want beast and slime themes, use YOUR minerals to create them. If you find yourself unable to do that, there's a good chance you're in the minority. The OP is being selfish in asking people to stop using their own minerals to create stratums they want and use them to create stratums he wants instead.

The idea that the most skilled players are teaming up to make FSC harder for newer players is pretty disturbing. So they are all noobs of the highest order?

oh and @ kick

I try to make the stratum fiends because it is the quickest and in my opinion the most fun set of levels before fsc

I usually wear

max damage and vh asi via skolver with asi trinkets/snarby with asi trinkets/vog with damage trinkets + barb thorn shield

DA
BTB/FF
Shivermist
Argent Peacemaker

No point playing the game at all if you are going to complain about lag based on where you live.

I live in England, my system is nowhere near as good as a lot of the people playing, nor is my internet, and I still find fiends just as easy and as fun as slimes. This complaint has been made dozens of time and people need to do something about it if they want to change it, or deal with the fact enough people are fiend fans to justify fiend stratums.

I sympathize with people whose geographic access to the servers makes their game performance terrible. The solution is for Three Rings to add more servers with better geographic distribution. The solution is not for Three Rings to prohibit fiend strata. That would do nothing to help performance problems in other strata, in PvP, etc.

Being an American that has played the game while in Australia, I can tell you that there's a good noticeable difference. My boyfriend is a solo gunner who has a lot of trouble with fiends. You can see his latency in action here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvffXmj0vok

@Chris
haha didn't know people actualy liked those lvl's xD (i love the totem trouble tough) but yeah they are fast haha (but i don't like whipping out my levi or start using the faster piercing swords to counter devilites :D those are realy the only monster i hate to fight and generaly avoid those lvls)

i'm not going to boycot the gate just because of the fiends :D ok it will be harder but still FSC is hella fun

I like fiends because they actually pose somewhat of a challenge.

"Yeah, it's like someone deliberately tries to make it fiend. I don't mind either shock or poison, but T3 devilites are a bit too much for me. I just can't find a way to stay alive and kill them, that's all."

Keep moving, and put your shield up after every swing. Only combo if you're using a weapon that pushes you forward. With a bit of practice they'll be cakey. :)

"I try to make the stratum fiends because it is the quickest and in my opinion the most fun set of levels before fsc"

<3 Thank you.

i didnt sign up for that crap

looks like ill have sk-free weeks again untill i can easily reach the place, where i wana play at

still remember criticizing the benefit of having many joinable friends at boss depths

Maybe we should put Vana at the bottom of EVERY T3 gate, I'm willing to bet that not even "Several Guilds(TM)" are capable of forcing Devilites for the entire set of gates.

.. Why did you bump this thread?