Spiral Knights - Why many other players will leave SK in 2012.

Why many other players will leave SK in 2012.

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Sat, 12/10/2011 - 19:26

Ivorise

Diablo 3 will be coming out in Q1 of 2012. Diablo is a MMORPG series with many successful years of experience behind it. Diablo is widely regarded as the most played game in its era.

1) While the initial purchase of the game has to be made, roughly 50-60 USD, it allows for unlimited gameplay.

2) Real life currency pumped into the Blizzard account can be withdrawn out anytime.

3) DB3 has such an extensive gameplay experience, and there are just so many maps.

How the above mentioned points will adversely affect the SK population, both F2P and P2P players.

F2P players:

SK works on a 100 Mist energy system a day, effectively allowing players to only do 10 runs a day. Its recent update of the Energy Pass allows players to go on unlimited runs for 30 days, at the cost of 6 USD. This strategy worked well, as I personally know of many F2P players who took up the bait and bought the Energy Pass, even telling me that they hoped this Pass idea would stay. Do the math, and for unlimited gameplay in a year, you have to fork out ~72 USD. By forking out 50-80 USD, you can have an unlimited MMOPRG experience in Diablo 3 for the years to come.

P2P players:

Many P2P players have spent hundreds, if not thousands of dollars in SK. The money inserted into this game cannot be taken out, you can only convert the crowns you have into CE, and trade CE for Steam games. This ultimately benefits Steam, unlike in Diablo 3 where funds being pumped in can be withdrawn. Imagine in SK where you spent cash on CE, convert it into crowns and roll a Sealed Sword with CTR Very High. You can only sell it for CE, whereas in Diablo 3 where you were to get an item of similar status, you could sell it for USD and profit. This is the main reason why P2P players will leave SK once DB3 is released.

F2P & P2P players:

Simply put, the lack of in-game, and endgame content. What's next after Royal Jelly King and Vanaduke for Tier 2 and Tier 3 players respectively? All the recent updates are about accessories, featured auctions, the only one concerning gameplay was the Shadow Lair, still it was just different versions of the existing bosses, and not something most F2P players would embrace. Players be it F2P/P2P want to see something new, entirely new monsters with end-game bosses, not just RJK and Vanaduke.

With so much being said, I hope OOO thinks of innovative ideas to improve SK, be it gameplay or cost-wise.

Thanks for your attention!

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 19:37

Kogoya

Funny how you say that Diablo

Funny how you say that Diablo 3 is a very successful game with many years on its back even though it hasn't even come out yet (Will be coming out in Q1 of 2012).

But I digress. OOO does need some innovations for it to keep our playerbase interested.

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 19:46

Ivorise

@Kogoya

Thanks! Edited the 3 out!

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 19:52

Xylka-Mkii

Meh. The pros will stay, the

Meh. The pros will stay, the annoying noobs will leave and find a better game

Cool game - Annoying n00bs/beggars/trolls + content still being added = Me happy

I SEE NOTHING WRONG WITH THIS EQUATION! :D

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 20:04

Ivorise

@Xy

Care to share what you mean when you said "content still being added"?

And n00bs/beggars/trolls are a part of every game :)

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 20:18

Dogrock

Ivorise, did you miss the

Ivorise, did you miss the twitter/facebook teasers for the new monster class? How about the teasers for the coming winter fun they plan to add? The new Lockdown level they had on the Preview server last weekend? Or perhaps the entire What's in Development thread (specifically the Scenario Rooms)?

Edit: It may also be worth mentioning that SK is still running despite stellar output from the large studios, yet the game has not folded like a house of cards.

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 20:20

Oceanprince

Diablo 3

Diablo is NOT an MMORPG. It's an Isometric RPG.

If people leave. That's how things are.

Also, is everyone forgetting the REAL big MMO that's coming out soon? I say that will take more people then Diablo 3 ever will.

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 20:21

Ivorise

@Dogrock

Dogrock, what most players in SK hope to see is an entirely new run, in the class of Royal Jelly King/Vanaduke. A new monster class is nothing like a new run, it could simply be put in any stratum. Same for the new lockdown level. We want a new run, simply put as it is. So instead of the only 4 we have right now, we hope to see 5-6 in the near future.

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 20:27

Jim-Dale

BUT, THERE IS ONE THEY

BUT, THERE IS ONE THEY FEAR

IN THEIR TONGUE, HE IS DOVAHKIIN

DRAGONBORNE

(Jim Dale has added dovahkiin to his spell check dictionary.)

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 21:03

Ivorise

@Oceanprince

Okay, I think the definition of whether Diablo 3 is an MMORPG or an Isometric RPG ain't important, the main point though is, hopefully SK can improve on the already-so-limited content. Why come out with so many updates like Feautured Auctions, changing of personal colors when the actual gameplay is so limited and repetitive? When all I can say about what I did in SK was a Vana run? Could more variety be added to this game, such that Vana runs would not be the most profitable run in Tier 3?

What we really want to see are entirely new Tier 2/3 bosses as challenging and rewarding as Royal Jelly King/Vanaduke respectively. I sincerely hope SK can look into this. I for one, am a SK player/fan, and I'm speaking from the bottom of my heart.

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 21:03

#10

Softhead

@OP

But content is still being added! Take some time, they have lives outside work and this could be complicating to implement. New bosses and tokens, New things to code, design,ect. Just try out the new enemies and Christmas stuff.

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 21:05

#11

Oceanprince

Adding Content

Adding NEW Content is NOT easy stuff.

You have to first, create the idea. Then you have to implement the idea. This involves things like programming/modeling/texturing. Then you have to test the content. Then, you have to balance the idea (Is it fair? Is this good?) internally. This is done by playtesters in the company itself. Get feedback from the testers. Tweak and repeat as necessary. Then, you have to test the content in a more "real" setting (Test Server). Get Feedback from players about the idea. Re-tweak the idea and test until the players are happy or at least accepting of the content. Then, everyone can get the content.

That's why it takes so long.

Why are things like Personal Color and Featured Actions done so quickly? Personal colors only required a little code tweaking and testing. So that's fast to implement. Featured Actions is also easy to do as it modifies the base Auction house code and does some minor changes.

New bosses or major content, requires more testing and work.

I have a question for Three Rings. Is Nick the only developer for the game? I see his name and "rank" as developer. I haven't seen anyone else with that "rank" post on these forums.

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 21:16

#12

Kinggobi

Stop complaining about the

Stop complaining about the lack of content. Make a new knight aim for 5* that should keep you entertained.

Also wtf made you think Diablo was a MMORPG? Yes, it has online capability. That means nothing. Diablo is a RPG not a frekin' MMO.
All that was said in OP was basically a bunch of generalization. Spiral Knights is F2P that means the people that downloaded the game wish to play it FREE. Some will leave, true but most will stay.

Also Diablo is a sinking franchise IMO

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 21:16

#13

Gospel

anyway...

we thinking that SK will fall just because of ONE game is not really convincing for me...
It wont even matter if the game released is MMORPG or IRPG...

SK's lifetime of a few months is already plagued with other game releases, like Skyrim and MW3, yet here we are now.
It's quite unfair to say players will desert this game just because of one, as since the start, its been doing quite well with many releases in 2011.

lets face it SK can't contend with a game like Diablo directly, but it is on its own league, so is SK on its own.

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 21:16

#14

Softhead

Wait...

What's Diablo?

@Oceanprince, you read my mind.

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 21:17

#15

Slayzz

First of all, Saying a single

First of all, Saying a single game will completely overtake a large fraction of SK's playerbase is just ignorant. Not everybody likes/will be able to/wants to playDiablo as much as you do, even if it is similar to SK. (Though I did check out some diablo trailers- looked like a combo of SK and god of war in a way).
Even so, I do agree to the fact that this game needs some completely new features. I'm not talking about adding new monsters, or things like that. I'm talking about an addition on the scale of lockdown. New bosses, PvP arenas, new clockwork levels, and things like that are what would make this game more and more interesting. The current gameplay is enjoyable, but the more, the better. Most of the time.

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 21:31

#16

Kitty-Softpaws

Hey bro-chacho, for starters,

Hey bro-chacho, for starters, no advertising other games on the forums. Are you trying to kill OOO's hit-to-be SK!?! this is a no ad zone and OOOs should post that on that sticky about rules and regulations blah bleh blah etc. Second, I am multitasking and so can everyone else. I came back after like a 4month break of SK since i was a FOOL like Mr.T always says about idiots. F2P is the reason why and I can haggle a few pennies every know and then ;) SK is where is at my friends. I came back to WoW recently since they have this special lay off on prices for like nearly 50% or more!?! Honestly I couldn't resist. Plus with this new kung fu panda update!?! WAAAH?!?! Pssh that chuck Norris commercial hawled me in. Diablo III pssssst lol.

EDIT: Actually, since it's going to be online I hear, idunno. We already have 2 WoW games competing for each other pretty heavily (RIFT & WoW) 3 lol is too much. Dungeon crawler games are bleh. SPIRAL KNIGHTS FOREVERRRRR. And my milk carton. <3 JUST YOU WAIT UNTIL OOO FINISHES THIS SURVEY AND UHHHH THEY UHHH DO UHHHH SOMETHING WE WILL LIKE THAT WILL GET US UUHHHHHHmmm...addicted? We need exploration. :( Well moreee. Not being dogs on a leash and can only be @ home or walked by our masters.

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 22:22

#17

Ivorise

@Atrumvindex: SK is their professional job, saying " they have lives outside work and this could be complicating to implement" doesn't make sense.

@Oceanprince: I agree that releasing new content takes a whole lot of time. But many tier 3 players like me have been doing Vana runs for the past 5 months. Its time for a change.

@Kinggobi: As I mentioned above, whether Diablo is an MMOPRG or not doesn't matter, what matters more is that 5*/tier 3 players like us have more content to keep us entertained. And if you think Diablo is a sinking franchise, I'm sure you're living in another world my friend.

@Gospel: I am trying to show OOO how it will be in direct competition with releases like Diablo 3, and I hope for more innovations. I'm using Diablo 3 beacuse the gameplay is extremely similar. Skyrim and MW3 are total different genres.

@Gospel: Using Diablo 3 is just a comparison, many other RPGs like Guild Wars 2 will also be coming out in 2012. I'm hoping for unlimited gameplay for a one-time off fee for interested players. F2P players can continue on their 100 ME a day.

Ultimately, I'm hoping for OOO to implement new measures before these RPG titans are being released.

As an avid fan of SK, I personally do not want to see the SK population die down as well. I've seen so many players leaving SK, some announcing their exits through quitting auctions/raffles, others just quietly quitting and never to be seen online again. I hope this game will have more variety and gameplay. I'm citing DB3 because it has very similar gameplay, and it offers unlimited gameplay for a one-off fee.

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 22:05

#18

Kinggobi

@Ivorise. 5*/tier 3 players

@Ivorise. 5*/tier 3 players should be happy with what they have. If you can't find entertainment then what is already there, you shouldn't be playing the game.

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 22:15

#19

Ivorise

@Kinggobi

I am happy with what there is, that explains the pass 5 months of Vana runs. But we want more content/new bosses, and I'm sure as hell that's the general consensus among players who have played this game since early this year. You're probably a new-gen that just joined this game, of course its still interesting for you.

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 22:17

#20

Kinggobi

@Ivorise

LOL. I've played since Closed Beta casually. Don't talk to me about new content.

Go do a Shadow Lair. That was new content.

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 22:19

#21

Ivorise

@Kinggobi

You still do not get my point. I want to have a new run that does not require any prerequisite like Shadow Keys to start. Just like Vana/Royal Jelly King. I hope you understand what I mean.

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 22:20

#22

Iron-Volvametal

@Kinggobi

Finally someone said it.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/kym-assets/entries/icons/original/000/006/548/21...

You want change?

Make new Account.

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 22:26

#23

Kinggobi

@ Ivorise But you said you

@ Ivorise But you said you wanted new content? SURELY if you've ran Vanaduke so much you must have an over abundance of CE and Crown to be able to purchase a shadow key and, the million dollar question is.

What makes you so sure that tier 4 won't require a prerequisite? Your going to have had accessed all four shadow lairs first to progress anyway, that much is obvious so if you want new content, come back to me when you have finished the shadow lairs also, new content will be geared towards END gamers not beginners. OOO will assume that the ELITE will have enough crowns and CE to spare for any prerequisite, for example a CORE KEY.

@Ironskullkid It's nice to know someone agrees with me.

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 22:25

#24

Softhead

@OP

They have other things to do. Please for the love of god, wait for the Xmas update! It's hard work. What, do you think it's instant. They have glitches, festive and other thing in game. As well, some things in real life may interrupt the proggres of games.

You don't understand their situation. Just be patient.

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 23:01

#25

Ivorise

@Kinggobi

You're assuming I only want end-game content, which is wrong. I didn't even mention Tier 4, not sure why did you even mention something that might never exist at all... Also, I've done all the shadow lairs.

I asked for new bosses that could provide an alternative to Jelly King/Vanaduke. RJK is not end-game content, but for Tier 2 players mind you.

And just in case you didn't know, Tier 3 players do Royal Jelly King runs too.

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 23:03

#26

Iron-Volvametal

Yeah, I know T3 Players still do RJ.

But they still Complain. :/

"mak it hrder!11!!1!!"

"Ice Queen, bro. Deal with it."

"but i dnt wnt 2 do shdw laers!1!!11!"

http://troll.me/images/jackie-chan-whut/jackie-chan-whut.jpg

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 23:07

#27

Ivorise

@Atrum

And from the beginning I've been asking for content that didn't need prerequisites to access, like RJK/Vana runs. We want content that we can access with just the 100 ME given everyday.

Well, looking at the news of the Winter updates, I don't see new bosses coming out at all... I don't see new, concrete gameplay content for beginners/end-game players..

All I see is Fancy Santa Hats. Wow?

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 23:05

#28

Kinggobi

@Ivorise The point being

@Ivorise

The point being that new bosses won't change anything and tbh I don't see why your complaining. There are already four bosses? What are you hoping for with one more? There's a fifty percent chance it will either be on par with Vanaduke or Snarby and not to mention the time it takes to design models and the like.

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 23:09

#29

Kinggobi

And obviously you haven't

And obviously you haven't noticed their releasing a entire new family of monsters. . .

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 23:10

#30

Ivorise

@Kinggobi

I'm not complaining, I'm asking OOO to come out with new bosses that could entice players to continue playing. I'm hoping for not one more, but at least a few alternatives. Alternatives for Tier 1 Snarbolax, Tier 2 Royal Jelly King, and Tier 3 Vanaduke.

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 23:14

#31

Ivorise

@Kinggobi

And obviously you did not read in my earlier post when I said this "A new monster class is nothing like a new run, it could simply be put in any stratum." And unless there will be bosses of these new monster classes, nothing much is going to change. Tier 2 players will continue doing JK runs, and Tier 3 players, Vana runs...

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 23:15

#32

Kinggobi

Your tier 2 alternative is

Your tier 2 alternative is two gunpuppies called the Roarmulus twins.

Your tier 1, 2, 3 alternatives are these awesome guys we call the Shadow Lair Bosses.

Like I said we're not stopping you from quitting the game, if your not happy with it you can leave at any time of your choosing. The rest of us are quite happy with making due with what's been offered, thank you very much.

I will not stress how hard it is to make a new boss let alone new content! Do you think all it takes is a few point and clicks and boom, there we have it a new boss? It doesn't, if you want more variation your gonna have to sit and wait with the rest of us.

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 23:17

#33

Kinggobi

@ Ivorise. Wtf do you think

@ Ivorise.

Wtf do you think concrete gameplay is then? New enemies = New Strategies = A new take on fighting = New Items = New Content.

Also,

I wear Santa Hats now, Santa Hats are cool!

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 23:18

#34

Iron-Volvametal

Calm yo Sword down.

OOO's making(or has been making for some time) the Festivus Event for New/Old Players to both Enjoy. It's called a Break.

After(or even maybe right now) the Event's done, they'll be back to making new Content in no time.

No need to Rush them. What you're doing is like asking the Creators of Pokemon to make new Pokemon every Day.

So in the Meantime, keep playing Lock-Down, Blast Network, Roarmulus Runs, or anything else SK.

Dun wanna?

Give all yer stuff to me & play another game. K? K.

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 23:20

#35

Ivorise

@Kinggobi

As I've mentioned above, We want content that we can access with just the 100 ME given everyday. Not needing to buy some shadow key or whatsoever just to access content.

No where in OP did I mention that I would be quitting this game, or did I state that I was unhappy. All I asked was for more content that we could access with ME.

'The rest of us are quite happy with making due with what's been offered, thank you very much.' I'm sure the rest of us refers to you and your group of like, 5 other friends? LOL. Look at the incredible number of posts by players in this forum wanting new content boy.

I never said making a new boss was easy, if you read what I said above. It just means OOO have to work even harder! :)

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 23:25

#36

Ivorise

@Kinggobi: Concrete gameplay is an entirely new run requiring only ME and nothing else to access.

@Iron: They've had so many months to create new bosses, they didn't have to do it after Festive events if they really wanted to.. I didn't have had to rush them, in fact so many other players before me have already stated their desire for more content.

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 23:27

#37

Kinggobi

@Ivorise Your level of

@Ivorise

Your level of ignorance amazes me. Have you looked at your posts? All I see is "I want more content because I'm not happy with what there is!" If you were happy you wouldn't worry about the lack of content you would make due.

Also newsflash! Most people who want new content have very little idea what goes into making a video game or the time and effort involved. The incredible number? More like the incredible ignorance.

The game is.

FREE TO PLAY.

We're not making you play it, so if you don't like it leave, SIMPLE. It's not rocket science. It's a simple "I don't like this" UNINSTALL.
Not a "Hey let's spam the forum with what I want and what I think other people want before I give OOO a chance to give it"
Like many you expect OOO to work harder to give you what you want! OOO can only work as fast as OOO can manage.

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 23:27

#38

Ivorise

Also, many of you have been talking about the third point(affecting both F2P and P2P) I made in OP, hope to hear from people who share my thoughts about the first two points I made in OP, which are the F2P and P2P players respectively.

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 23:33

#39

Ivorise

@Kinggobi

I think we players have given OOO more than enough time to come out with new bosses, like seriously? Expectations of new bosses have been made by players in the past 4-5 months already, yet all we got was Shadow Lairs which required Shadow Keys to access? What's after this, Holy Lairs that require Divine Keys? Lol.

Your level of ignorance is so great you would think knights who've played this game for the past 4-5 months would be satisfied with Vana/Jelly runs everyday, and not getting any assurance from OOO that new bosses/runs are being planned for?

We want content accessible just requiring ME to access, and nothing else. Thanks.

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 23:35

#40

Iron-Volvametal

Maybe they're Stumped?

Again, don't Rush them, they're probably making a whole lotta things fer us Players.

Ever played LittleBigPlanet/LittleBigPlanet2?

Exact same deal. Some awesome Creator makes an amazing level & then takes 4 Months to make another one.

Why?

Ideas, Challenges, Visual Appeal, Gameplay, & Logic me boy. For some, it takes a lot of time to come up with something new & for others, it doesn't.

Think:

You ask a Waiter to ask the Chef to make you a "Surprise" Cake.

Takes 50Min to make.

You Snap.

You still decide to wait, though.

After 49Min, you Quit & Leave.

Cake arrives, but you aren't there.

Chef gives it to some Kid on another table.

Point of the Story, is if you want something, you wait for it. If you don't, you'll eventually miss out & someone else will Reap the Awards & Benefits.

Nothing appears in a Flash at the Snap of your Fingers, bro. WAIT. IT. OUT.

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 23:36

#41

Kinggobi

@Ivorise Your talking to me

@Ivorise

Your talking to me about ignorance? Maybe I was wrong, maybe it was thankfullness. OOO could've left you to wait whilst they made new bosses but no instead they decided to be kind whilst they developed new content and released Shadow Lairs which are a challenge for those who have played the game a while, everyone's favorite bosses redone and made significantly harder.

And yet you still complain.

It seems your understanding is vedy vedy small.

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 23:37

#42

Ivorise

@Kinggobi

I'm afraid its because of players like you that SK will not improve.

"We're not making you play it, so if you don't like it leave, SIMPLE. It's not rocket science." OOO wants the sincere thoughts and opinions of players who've played this game long enough to express what they hope to see in this game. OOO doesn't want players who just leave without giving feedback.

GMs need players like me to know what is the general consensus among most players, not a player like you who wouldn't contribute new ideas and troll others who are willing to share what they hope to see.

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 23:42

#43

Kinggobi

UGH. There's a difference

UGH. There's a difference between giving feedback and demanding something. OOO wants players who are actually patient and will wait for content, did you not read anything Iron said? Anything at all?

"GMs need players like me to know what is the general consensus among most players, not a player like you who wouldn't contribute new ideas and troll others who are willing to share what they hope to see."
This must give OOO a good impression that their fans lack all of this.

What you demand like I've been saying DOES NOT JUST HAPPEN. Art requires time.

Patience is a virtue.

One that you seem to lack boy.

It amuses me that you go on about people who have played 4-5 months compared to people who have played since the closed beta and are fine with the game.

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 23:45

#44

Ivorise

Every company values the opinions of its customers greatly, something you will know if you set up a business in the future.

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 23:47

#45

Kinggobi

"Every company values the

"Every company values the opinions of its customers greatly, something you will know if you set up a business in the future."

Sigh. You really got nothing from what me or Iron said did you? You come up with that to regain your pride. You really are a sad creature.

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 23:49

#46

Ivorise

Like I said, you're just ignorant if you think other players like you who've played since close beta are satisfied with the lack of new, accessible content, You're probably living in your own, delusional world.

Find me threads where knights say they are satisfied with doing Vana runs everyday. I could provide you with a thread offhand, of veterans like Rommil/Hollafamer who also agree that more is needed.

For your viewing pleasure, http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/36181.

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 23:50

#47

Iron-Volvametal

Bro...

You've literally got the Attention Spam below that of a Rock & the Stubbornness of a Mule.

This is how I see you right now:

"oh look, someone who doesn't agree with me. i'm just gunna put TL;DR"

http://s3.amazonaws.com/kym-assets/photos/images/newsfeed/000/207/234/yo...

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 23:52

#48

Ivorise

'What you demand like I've been saying DOES NOT JUST HAPPEN. Art requires time.' I'm sorry its not me alone, but the general consensus of a whole lot of knights out there. As I've said you're prolly some newgen that just started out.

'Patience is a virtue.' It seems then, that the majority of the SK population does not have patience?

'It amuses me that you go on about people who have played 4-5 months compared to people who have played since the closed beta and are fine with the game.' Many people who have played since closed beta have already quitted this game, trololol.........

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 23:55

#49

Ivorise

And Bro,

Your skull is prolly as thick as iron that nothing sensible penetrates through it. I guess only pictures amaze you, lol.

Sat, 12/10/2011 - 23:59

#50

Ivorise

Still hoping to hear from people who share my thoughts about the first two points I made in OP, which are the F2P and P2P players section respectively.

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