It amuses me to no end how ignorant you are and the fact you called me ignorant is astounding.

Would you like me to prove I am not "newgen" like you say I am? I have the closed beta outfit to prove it if it suits your majesty greatly?

Like Iron and I have been saying is that patience is a virtue, wait and you'll get your reward, if your not happy leave. WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT US TO SAY TO YOU?
I don't know how to make it any clearer! Would you rather I drew a picture of PATIENCE IS A VIRTUE stuck it to a yellow wall and nailed it to your head? It seems it's thick enough to keep you alive no problem.

First off, I'm rather amused at the beginning part of the opening post reading like some kind of ad for Diablo 3 instead of anything SK-related. I'm going to be jumping all over the place in my reply, so bear with me.

A new monster class is nothing like a new run, it could simply be put in any stratum.

So...instead of new enemies that require new strategies, you'd rather have a fixed set of gates that never, ever change and which competent players can just run it a few times to master, and thus end up being bored by again? New content is new content is new content, and I don't see what the huge difference between a new monster class and a new boss is. New monster classes = new stratum theme and new levels, which are dynamic so it doesn't get boring. Yes, players are bored by constantly doing JK/Vana runs. How are players going to be not bored constantly doing JK/Vana/NewBoss runs? We'd reach the same point not far into the future.

We want content that we can access with just the 100 ME given everyday. [...]All I asked was for more content that we could access with ME.

I know a few F2P players who have been able to go to Shadow Lairs (granted, not a large number of trips, but they've been). With 100ME, you can do 2 Vana runs a day with a small supplement of CE. That's 20k profit, close to 300 CE. You can make up a share of a Shadow Key in a week if you play every day quite easily. What, you can start up Diablo and immediately hop into the end-game content? I'm not familiar with the franchise but I'm betting that you'd have to build up your gears, skills, enhancements, etc. in order to reach the Diablo-equivalent of Shadow Lairs. So in a nutshell, you can access everything in SK with your 100ME. Sure, the ME represents a time limit, but you're forgetting that many F2Pers can do limitless number of runs a day as long as their profits are greater than their CE cost.

OOO wants the sincere thoughts and opinions of players who've played this game long enough to express what they hope to see in this game. [...] GMs need players like me to know what is the general consensus among most players, not a player like you who wouldn't contribute new ideas and troll others who are willing to share what they hope to see. [...]Like I said, you're just ignorant if you think other players like you who've played since close beta are satisfied with the lack of new, accessible content, You're probably living in your own, delusional world.

Ignore the next paragraph. I think SK has a bug, where the site shows up randomly and no amounts of editing gets rid of it.
Um. Really? I'm all for every single person to express their opinion and I see absolutely nothing wrong with yours, but I do see a problem when you maintain forums.spiralknights.comard and then turn around and deny another's. An OPINION is just that, an opinion. All I see the others do is express theirs (perhaps not in entirely nice manners), but calling them 'delusional' is downright insulting. Also, consensus? Yeah, no, you're doing it wrong. Kinggobi has just as much a vote in this as you do, period. (S)He doesn't agree with you =/= you are majority.

Um. Really? I'm all for every single person to express their opinion and I see absolutely nothing wrong with yours, but I do see a problem when you maintain that you have a right to be heard and then turn around and deny another's. An OPINION is just that, an opinion. All I see the others do is express theirs (perhaps not in entirely nice manners), but calling them 'delusional' is downright insulting. Also, consensus? Yeah, no, you're doing it wrong. Kinggobi has just as much a vote in this as you do, period. (S)He doesn't agree with you =/= you are majority.

Now, as for my thoughts...I do think that we need new material. A lot of the stuff they've implements is, in fact, player suggestion. We wanted harder bosses, we got them (even though the SL bosses are re-skins, making the new graphics, coding everything, all that work that goes into it is just as hard as entirely new content. The only time they've saved is on graphics design, if that.). We complained about CE prices, they gave us a crown sink (effective or not is another issue). There's been tons of suggestions about personal colours, so they included that. We wanted more lore, it's in the works. A lot of this is what the 'general consensus' wanted, so if it doesn't fit with your personal tastes, the new content shouldn't be dismissed so offhand. Personally, I have no use whatsoever for the Featured Auctions, but I know people wanted crowns sinks and they wanted rare items. Yay.

I think we players have given OOO more than enough time to come out with new bosses

You should also consider the SK team. There's far fewer people in it than, say, Diablo's and their available resources is far smaller as well. SK staff just don't have enough people to pump out content faster than what they've been doing.

We want content accessible just requiring ME to access, and nothing else.

Who's this 'we'? As far as I'm concerned, your opinion is your own. You do not speak for the majority. How do you know that the rest of us want 'nothing else'? Hell, I want the scenario rooms far more than a new boss (boss strata are. dead. boring.), and I'd take new weapons over a new boss too. I'm sure there's people out there who play SK mainly for the PvP and are looking forward to the new LD map.

Also, all this talk about ME access only? Should a T1 player cry that they can't do Vana? I mean, it requires ME only, so it should be open to everyone! Small amounts of energy needed =/= available for everyone. It takes time and dedication to play more difficult strata, just as it takes time and work to reach Shadow Lairs. You need to finish 20 T2 runs before being able to go to T3. Think of the number of times you do Vana in order to afford a key (450 CE per person in a party of 4) as the same requirement.

ALL IN ALL, I think new content would be great, though I disagree with your definition of what 'new content' is.

That's why more has to be done. Something is better than nothing
What they've done so far is a lot of work and the results of what people have been asking for, and something IS coming. You just don't agree with what's coming, which I respect, but saying that everyone who do agree is wrong is the height of entitlement.

Few? A handful you mean? Yup, you're right.
I did the math up there. You need 450CE to get into Shadow Lairs with a full party. You can make that money easily in a week doing one Vana run a day on pure mist. You're saying that this is just way too difficult...why? I'm P2P, as in I bought a 10 dollar package when I first started. That CE is long gone, and I have more than enough to do Shadow Lairs if I want to. I don't, however, want to, though I have a couple of keys for reselling purposes. I'd agree with the SL being too exclusive pre-Boost key selling, but now? It's easy to afford it, using mist-only even.

Find me threads where Knights claim that the current content is enough. I already provided one thread for him that proves that 'the rest of us are happy" is factually wrong.
Yes, there are people want new bosses. THAT DOESN'T MAKE THEM THE MAJORITY. In fact, the majority of player don't even post on the forums. I doubt I can find anyone who wouldn't want new content, but your claims that what you want (as in your 'new content' definition) doesn't represent everyone. Also, guess what? I can provide you with not just one, but THREE examples of people who are currently happy! Kinggobi, Ironskullkid, myself. Ta-da. For the same reason as I just said, I don't consider the 'we're happy' stance to be majority--there's three of us--but you don't have the majority on your side either.

My definition of new content is what SK hasn't been providing us, and is something the majority of players want to see.
So. What it boils down to is 'I want this and SK isn't giving it to me, so I'll call everyone who disagrees names.' Um. Okay. SK hasn't been providing us with...THE ABILITY TO FLY. I can't find even one thread where someone is happy with the lack of ability to fly! Therefore I am the majority and I demand this new content!

Look, new content? Wonderful! I'd love some. Your ever-changing, baffling, and very narrow view of what is acceptable new content is childish. New monsters = new content, which we're getting. You can suggest a new boss to be in the works next, which I--and many others--will heartily endorse, if you wish.

Phantasy Star Online 2... do want.

"Three examples, all of what new content is and yet you argue that there is none. Son by following what you classify as new content I have provided three examples and trust me there are many more this is what makes you ignorant."

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that the definition provided wasn't, word-for-word, what Ivorise had intended. Here, I'd like to make a distinction between "new content" and new "content". "New content" is exactly what it implies: "Anything added to the game that did not exist in the game before." New "content", on the other hand, I will use to refer to: "An addition to the game which provides novel gameplay or story contributions, and allows players to play the game in a way that could not have been previously replicated."

They released feature auctions = Knights wanted a crown sink = So OOO provided it in a way that didn't permanently destablilize the economy or interfere.
"New content", and barely new, at that. Auctions existed. Most of the items being auctioned existed. The only "new content" provided was the Scissor Blades, and that is most certainly new "content" as it is the exact same weapon as a Leviathan Blade, functionally speaking. This could have been done without the fancy "Featured Auctions" tab in the Auction House, which would make it almost indistinguishable from everyday auctions - a cosmetic difference.

The lowered CE prices may allow for more crafting, or more runs, but once again, it does not - as per the above definition - "allow players to play the game in a way that could not have been previously replicated." Could they have played more? Crafted more? Certainly. But none of those things are actually new "content".

The Majority of Players wanted new content so OOO provided the Shadow Lairs for end game players.
This I will concede as being new "content". I cannot say that I've had any experiences in the Shadow Lairs myself, but the levels appear to be sufficiently altered so as to require different tactics, and the Unknown Passage is the first endurance-based level in Spiral Knights.

The problem most players have with this is that they would say that this is restricted new "content" - to play it, you have to play old content. Again. But, I digress from the main point of this post, which is to distinguish between your "new content" and Ivorise's new "content".

The Majority of Players wanted a color change so OOO provided them with the ability to do so.
This is "new content", and a fairly small amount of it at that. Colors existed, even though color changers did not. Is there a weapon that changes based on your personal color? Does personal color affect your armor defense? No. Then, all color changers are is "new content" which replicates old content, with no "content" substance.

One out of three.

I'm a player from closed beta (and some of the earliest project x test runs) and I still find SK enjoyable running runs day after day. I average about 4 days out of the week playing due to work, and I haven't yet sat there and cried foul over the lack of content.

More playable content would be enjoyable, but I trust that OOO has wonderful things in the works. They've mentioned the new monsters and what everyone seems to be forgetting: story rooms (or whatever the term was) that'll help flesh out our understanding of the world. The fact is that it is wonderful to see a company that not only shares development notes openly, but listens to their players and tries to implement even trivial things.

I feel sorry for OOO. They seem damned if they do and damned if they don't. People complain about CE prices, accessories, pets, colour and name changes. When OOO gives them that, all they can do is whine how they want something more, something bigger. I suppose it's the old story of giving a mouse a cookie.

I wouldn't mind paying a lump sum to get free gate rides. I love my elevator pass. But I also enjoy (shock, I'm sure) the energy system for making you budget yourself.

To answer a few of your points that you keep asking people to talk about, I would utterly hate if we could make 'real world' profit off of in game stuff. I may be in the minority, I am quite often, but I like my gaming experience to be separated from my reality. So I pour money into a game? It's part of my entertainment budget. Same as movies and trips to the cinema, I don't expect either to give me anything other than a good show. Asking the developers to pay me back for playing their game seems...underhanded (alternatively, asking to profit off of their hard work by acting as a middle man seems sad as well.)

I am biased when it comes to the Diablo franchise, I've never quite enjoyed it as much as I was supposed to. Diablo 3 will never just be the first payment of whatever fee they've set it at. In this era of DLC and cash shops there will always be something more that "needs" to be bought to access, equip, outfit, or learn new skills. This is one of the things I enjoy about SK: everything is attainable on the 100 ME a day. (Note: I play on two separate accounts, one is paid account, one a free. They date back from beta when I was looking at the viability of each play style out of personal curiosity).

All in all, until new playable content makes an appearance, I have fun building new weapons and gear. You never know what you're going to need next.

"This shows how childish you are What players want is a new run as easily accessible as the JK/Vana runs now, not some run that needs F2P players to save up for before accessing. "

This shows how childish YOU are. Myllaka just said that you do not speak for the majority so you have no right to force your own opinion on people. Saving up is the challenge the game presents you, saving up means you have to work harder to get the reward, like I mentioned before, if you hunger for new content then surely you must have finished all other content.
If a F2P has finished all other content that surely means they have a backlog of crown and CE to spend so it doesn't matter if the new content is barred in some way.

An addition to the game which provides novel gameplay or story contributions, and allows players to play the game in a way that could not have been previously replicated.

So by this definition, scenario rooms, wisps and the...predictable moving thingy (too lazy to look it up ;x) are indeed new "content", since we haven't had that sort of thing before. Then, what the devs have in development fits this mold. Granted, it's been a bit slow, but the SK team is pretty tiny compared to other games. In a lot of other MMORPGs, new content comes at far less of a rate. I can't speak for others, but I play Perfect World. In PW, in the four years I've played it, there's been about 5 new dungeons and 4 new races. I'd say that SK's updates are comparable, but since the game is much smaller and players progress much faster, it feels a low slower.

As for your other points, Kinggobi's reply is sole to the post above him, in that new content is what SK hasn't been providing us, and is something the majority of players want to see. His examples all fit this definition, but I reserve comment about majority.

You raise many good points, Kupoo, a lot of which I agree with. However, the context of the argument is something you've ignored.

This is hoping to get the forum out of the grave yard.

To me, it sounds like you are argueing that you are entitled to non-stop endless new content. This would mean implementing everything said on the forums basically in which case there would be so much contoversy and mass amount of content that the game would result in just a back and forth argument thread against all players, ruining the game.

Kinggobi, Myllakka, and Njthug said it best

I have no interest in Diablo.

I have -some- interest in new bosses, but new monster types (like the drones they've announced) and more level sets (like the fairly recently added Candlestick, but less horrible) are things I'd much rather see added.

More puzzle/exploration elements would also be awesome, but eh, the gameplay in standard levels is what's been keeping me entertained, I don't really see that changing.

Anyway. I can see some people being distracted away whenever something new and shiny come out, but no single other game is gonna wreck SK's population.