Spiral Knights - Fang of Vog?

Fang of Vog?

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Sun, 01/08/2012 - 03:33

Rouge-Rogue

I'm working on making that leap from Tier 2 to Tier 3 and when I trade in tokens for stuff, the Almirian tokens are always the first thing I see. So, I have been taking note of what I might possibly want to buy.

But I've always wondered about Fang of Vog... is it really that good? I ask this because it seems that I always get that guy on rare occasion who has one. My group always asks, "Is that FoV?" and the guy responds with a, "Yes." Then everyone proceeds to drool and admire the person's weapon.
I don't get people in my groups with the sword often, and I don't see a lot of people with it, but is it really super epically awesome as all the people in my party make it out to be?

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 03:47

Paweu

FoV is awful, not only is it

FoV is awful, not only is it slower than brandishes, it also deals less damage than them. The fire application chance on normal attacks isn't really worth it, only good point about FoV is the charge but even then it ignites the user really often (or i might have been just unlucky, but i get ignited like, every 4 times out of 10) so you'd need to wear some fire resistance gears.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 04:29

Batabii

I'm sure there's tons of

I'm sure there's tons of threads about this already.

And from what I;ve seen, FoV is no worse than Gran Faust.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 05:00

Yeriq

GF > FoV

@Batabii
GF hits harder than the FoV.
GF has a better charge attack than FoV
Curse > On fire; Unless you are the one cursed
FoV is more of a vanity item because it (in relative terms) cost more than a GF in which the GF has more utility.

So I disagree with the "FoV is no worse than Gran Faust". The GF is better than the FoV.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 06:25

Bopp

different damage types

Gran Faust and Fang of Vog have different damage types, so they're not really comparable. For my opinion on Fang of Vog, see the "Elemental swords" section of my sword guide. For regular-attack DPS data, see the Lancer Knightz Data (but note that FoV regular attacks can set enemies on fire).

Edit: Edited.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 06:24

Metagenic

It's a pretty bad sword.

Combuster (and every other elemental Brandish) outdamages it, swings faster, deals strong fire just like it does, has 5 explosions in its charge attack, and won't light the user on fire.

I see no real point in getting an FoV.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 06:27

Bopp

point: charge attack

The point of FoV is the charge attack, just like the point of Leviathan is the charge attack. Of course, you want/need some serious fire protection and some serious charge time reduction.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 06:40

Mysticbeam

hey, i like the fov

the normal swings are pretty bad, but against slow/med speed moving enemies, the charge is really good, just make sure u have enough health to take the fire, which usually happens :)

Trojans and Lumbers, for example, are cut down fairly easily with a fov charge, i belive i can 1-charge-hit RJP Lumbers in a 3man party :)

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 06:40

Juances

Everything from Vanaduke

Everything from Vanaduke isn't that great anyways. You're all saying the sword is bad, but what are the alternatives?
It's either the sword or the almire shield.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 06:45

Metagenic

Get the Blackened Crest, and that's it

After that, just buy 5* items with Almirian Seals and sell them to vendors for extra crowns.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 07:35

#10

Narfle

FoV is a highly specialized

FoV is a highly specialized weapon, just like a lot of others. The common pros/cons have already been covered, but I would just add that if you do a lot of JK farming, FoV can be your best friend--but yes, you'll need fire protection/save a slot for remedies.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 08:10

#11

Metagenic

That doesn't make sense…

Why would a player keep farming Jelly King if he already did Vanaduke enough times for a Fang of Vog? There's no point, since FSC is a more profitable stratum than RJP.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 09:16

#12

Narfle

I can do multiple jelly runs

I can do multiple jelly runs in the time it takes to go through FSC once, so JK is more profitable for me. Part of that is getting rid of the boss in under 30 seconds with the FoV and getting on to the next run. Just my opinion.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 09:34

#13

Ztype

Only get the Blackened Crest.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 11:19

#14

Batabii

"GF hits harder than the

"GF hits harder than the FoV."

It does?

"GF has a better charge attack than FoV"

It does?

"Curse > On fire; Unless you are the one cursed"

Well yeah, one of my points was they both affect the user.

"the point of FoV is the charge attack, just like the point of Leviathan is the charge attack"

This entirely. Leviathan would be totally pointless without the charge attack.

"Jelly King"

There is no jelly king, it's called Royal Jelly.

"Everything from Vanaduke isn't that great anyways. You're all saying the sword is bad, but what are the alternatives?
It's either the sword or the almire shield."

I don't care, I'm not selling his stuff until I get every piece of equipment.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 11:58

#15

Xterminatertron

Some peeps don't know when to stop...

"There is no jelly king, it's called Royal Jelly."

Ask anybody if they want to go on an RJ run and I guarantee most will have no idea what you're talking about. Was there really any need for that comment?

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 12:33

#16

Bopp

yes, it does

>> "GF hits harder than the FoV."
>> It does?

Based on the next comment, the poster must have been discussing regular attacks, not charge attacks. If you mean knockback, then yes, GF has much more knockback. If you mean damage per hit, then yes, GF does much more damage, as you can read on the wiki. So I'm with Yeriq on this one.

>> "GF has a better charge attack than FoV"
>> It does?

If you don't have lots of fire protection, then the FoV charge is bad for you. But if you do have lots of fire protection, then the FoV charge is FAR more powerful than the GF charge. So I'm with Batabii on this one.

The Royal Jelly was almost always called the Jelly King until the updates a couple of months ago that changed the JK fight and introduced the Ice Queen. So lots of people still call it the Jelly King. Insisting on "Royal Jelly" seems pedantic. So I'm with Xterminatertron on this one.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 12:33

#17

Batabii

If they don't know what

If they don't know what they're talking about, they're either noobs or just stupid. The game calls it Royal Jelly everywhere. In the game files, in the Event Hub, in the Recon Module, the whole armor set...never once does it say "jelly king".

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 13:00

#18

Nicoya-Kitty

The FoV has two places where

The FoV has two places where it's absolutely spectacular: FSC and RJP. In RJP obviously you can char-broil the Royal Jelly in just a few charge hits, though it's slightly more difficult since the october patch when they added RJ's head-butting attack. In FSC the charge attack can very quickly incinerate Trolljans, Slag Guards and Vana's mask phase, and you'll already be wearing fire-proof armor so the self-ignition won't be a problem.

It is otherwise an entirely unspectacular weapon.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 13:02

#19

Demonicsothe

So everyone is stupid

Got it. The entire sk community before the patch that gave jk an official name is stupid.

Whats so wrong about calling it what others have called it for a long time? Is it confusing to you? Why dont we just call the wolver cap, the snarby cap? Since it is an armour from a boss, we should call it according to the boss.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 13:21

#20

Rouge-Rogue

Well thanks for all the

Well thanks for all the replies. I tried doing forum searches and could not find a thread discussing the usefulness, even via a google search, and even then the threads I found just mentioned it with no real discussion about its usefulness or not.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 15:27

#21

Batabii

RJ had an official name

RJ had an official name before any updates, just look in the file folders (and the wiki article goes back to february 2011, while the Jelly King redirect didn't even exist until May). And there already IS a snarbolax cap. And wolvers are a clearly distinct enemy. And the Royal Jelly Crown strongly resembles the crown the Royal Jelly wears. Why is this so complicated?

BTW what october patch? The Royal Jelly has had its "tackle" attack for as long as I can remember...

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 15:50

#22

Bopp

October 19 patch

The Royal Jelly was dramatically changed in the 2011 October 19 update. That's what people are talking about.

However, upon skimming through the announcements, I can no longer find any announcement of a name change from "Jelly King" to "Royal Jelly". So I now believe you, Batabii, that he has always been officially called the Royal Jelly. I was wrong, and you were right.

However, a significant fraction of the population refers to him as the Jelly King, and has done so since the game's launch. I'm sure that you have heard "Jelly King" or "JK" many times, and fully understood what it meant. And there is no real harm in this name; it's not as if we're discussing some delicate technical issue that requires precise language. So please consider simply getting over it.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 16:00

#23

Nicoya-Kitty

@Batabii The patch that added

@Batabii The patch that added the polyps added the "headbutt" attack. When you get close to RJ now he'll suddenly bump you away, separately from his usual tackle attack. Previously if you wanted to, say, drop an RSS under him, or unleash a Levi or FoV charge you could snuggle right up to him before dropping it, but now if you try it you'll get hit and pushed away.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 16:30

#24

Batabii

what! is that the weird

what! is that the weird glitch attack that hits me without any animation?

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 16:54

#25

Juances

yes

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 17:43

#26

Uuni

I was kinda wondering how it

I was kinda wondering how it hit me completely random. I must say it has a huge range O.o

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 17:46

#27

Batabii

I sent that as a bug report,

I sent that as a bug report, I'm pretty sure that's not a legit attack...

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 04:00

#28

Haematite

The FoV is a terrible sword,

The FoV is a terrible sword, but it's still one of my favourites simply because of the coolness. It usually comes with me if i want to do a Royal Jelly run, or a T2 arena. Noobs are always impressed when you kill 3 lumbers in one hit.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 04:16

#29

Quotefanboy

Personally

I think both of these swords are getting highly out classed, and should both lose their "ability to kill self" in a very severe way.

Or maybe, they should be buffed to a degree to where they're really strong, but the double edge effect is necessary to keep it balanced.

Or, a better alternative, they can buff it to a fair degree that still makes the swords pretty strong, but at the same time not too strong like the previously mentioned idea, yet if you get near full resistance (say Max High or High High at best) your chance of curse/burn to self is 0%. Like the faust used to be.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 12:20

#30

Zobertus

FoV is NOT terrible

I have used FoV as my primary weapon for long time, and im really good with it! I can do about 2000 damage to stratum 6 constructs with its charge!
Also its normal Combo isnt so bad as everyone says, i can do over 1000 damage with its full combo to undead, also VERY useful against single zombies, and its charge goes well against a mob.

Still, its charges self-fire is deadly, you should use it only if you have good resistance, or you are surrouned by hearts.
I strongly recommend FoV against Trojans, it kills in about 1 charge in both solo, and maybe in 2 players team (dont remember) and always 2 charges in 4 player team. Trojans also always drop hearts, so you can get your lost health back!

This is just my vision of FoV, just telling.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 13:02

#31

Omega-Shadow-Death

JK / RJ

This isn't really to do with the thread much but if you're calling Royal Jelly, Jelly King then you should start calling the game Techno Knights XD

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 13:51

#32

Batabii

@omega-shadow-death LOL good

@omega-shadow-death LOL good one.

But I prefer Helical Warriors ;)

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 13:59

#33

Omega-Shadow-Death

/greet old player / proper wiki reader

ah yes can't forget that one XD

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 17:16

#34

Batabii

Hah it's not just the wiki,

Hah it's not just the wiki, people seem to ignore the recon module/quest log, the event hub, the game files, the names of all the equipment related to it....I don't know where they got "king" from in the first place. I'd say Dragon Quest, but that's the King Slime, not the Jelly King.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 00:28

#35

Demonicsothe

/clap

Yay, you knew his true name and the proper name. You win the intarnetz!

No, seriously though. Does it really matter? Unless its a pet peeve thing, but no need going on calling people stupid because many people call it one thing, and know what it refers to.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 02:05

#36

Darkbrady

You realise that the recon

You realise that the recon module/quest log/event hub is a *relatively* new addition, compared to the people who started calling it JK from launch? When I started playing there was absolutely no in game mention of his name, the event hub, recon modules and quest log didn't exist; all you had was a *royal* palace and a big fat jelly with a crown on top; if that doesn't spell "king" to you, then you sir, are being the stupid one. Everyone got in the way of calling him JK and it just stuck, even after the addition of quest logs that added a tiny peripheral mention of a name. Fact of the matter is that most people, while typically aware of the name (many not, still) no one really gives a damn one way or another. Spend the better part of a year calling him JK, and that's what he is to you.

In other words, quit derailing the thread for semantics just to seem like a know-it-all.

As for FoV, I've been interested in finding out myself. The self-kill swords put me off a bit, especially since I know that the fire is a pretty heavy level of fire and won't go nicely with my lack of resistances, but the sheer damage is tempting, especially for JK. Then again, to me it's just a matter of whether it's worth it against just using my AoA.
Then again, then again, compare it with my Deadly Viru set and it might wind up just killing him fast enough that the fire won't matter!

Has to be tested still, so am interested in more opinions.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 02:57

#37

Batabii

"You realise that the recon

"You realise that the recon module/quest log/event hub is a *relatively* new addition"
The first two were there since at least june...

and whenever something gets an official name (such as pokemon) the "fan name" no longer makes sense (such as "smugleaf".... ew)

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 05:33

#38

Quotefanboy

Tomato Ta-mah-toh

Get over it.

It's as much Jelly king as it King Jelly as it is Royal Jelly.

Seriously. It doesn't matter.

What DOES matter is how we have massively underpowered weapons (See Troika and Sudaruska) which are getting no attention.

Sorry guys, I feel your pain, Gran Faust needs a huge buff and the FoV could use some love too, but there are a bunch of swords that need love.
Yes. With the new brandish it's the same as the Acheron. It can do the job better, easier, and safer. It needs love, it needs attention, but lots of things do. Hopefully Three rings will see this, and do something about it.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 06:13

#39

Batabii

You might as well say it's as

You might as well say it's as much Spiral Knights as it is Twisty Baronets as it is Swirly Soldiers...

Do you think it would help FoV any if it had a chance of burn on the second hit, like gran faust's curse?

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 07:11

#40

Quotefanboy

Well

It is, actually, as much as those as it is spiral knights. If you want to be a 5 year old and be stupid by making unwitty play on words. Sounds like Kindergarden.

Also: It can burn on every hit. I have one so I can prove it.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 07:26

#41

Bopp

don't get it

"Do you think it would help FoV any if it had a chance of burn on the second hit, like gran faust's curse?"

I don't quite understand. The wiki says that each of FoV's three strokes has the ability to inflict fire. This is consistent with my experience, although while I'm using a weapon I don't watch carefully enough to really verify it.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 09:28

#42

Quotefanboy

I have.

Me and my friend did some tests to where we wanted to see how much the double edged swords compared. (FoV and Gran Faust)

I saw that the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd hit all can inflict status.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 09:40

#43

Darkbrady

Batabii, are you really

Batabii, are you really feeling that stingy/spiteful/pedantic?
Pokemon fan names go out of fashion because the new pokemon actually get officially named. Every time you see it, you see the name. The thing says the name. The name is listed EVERYWHERE.
JK, however, has very, very little mention of the name. The Event Hub only appears when you log in, and that typically gets closed for teh rest of your session. The quest log only ever auto-appears once, and after that doesn't hover at the side anymore. The recon mod typically only ever gets read once.
Basically, you're likely to see two mentions of the name (more occasionally, if you read your event hub) and thusly it has very, very little impact on someoe who has already spent *months* calling him something else, every single day. It does /not/ compare.
Also, it doesn't matter when the quest log got released, you can get the exact dates for me if you feel like it, but it won't change the fact that people have been playing the game since long before that and come up with a name prior to the patch that introduced them.
If you want to call him RJ, feel free; but you'll have no rights to whine at anyone who doesn't understand since you will be the minority. You are perfectly justified in calling him by his official name, however you have no justification to complain that everyone else calls him by the more mainsteam, more known, and far longer-lived JK that also happens to, btw, make complete sense. It's not like everyone calls him the "Big Cheese Cube" that really just doesn't have enough backing to merit being kept as a name.

SO! Get the hell over it, and QUIT de-railing the thread man.

@Topic/Quote: FoV really inflicts on every swing? That's new information!! Totally interested now.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:56

#44

Juances

why did we made it them.

Read the wiki.
Everyone should.

http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Fang_of_Vog

I know some of you might be scared by false information but ours is pretty clean.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 12:57

#45

Batabii

Well I guess I never used the

Well I guess I never used the fang of vog, and I never saw enough people use it to know it can cause burn normally, or that it has THREE swings unlike the other heavy swords...regardless of how good/bad it is I'm still getting it once I get 22 more tokens.

(Also I pointed out that the game calls it royal jelly at least 5 different places. It's the official name, whether you like it or not. Get used to it.)

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 13:08

#46

Demonicsothe

We hear you, we know, and we

We hear you, we know, and we don't appreciate being considered stupid for calling it jk. You can call it what you want, but don't force it on us like some door to door salesmen, or a extremely religious neighbor.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 13:23

#47

Darkbrady

Also I pointed out that the

Also I pointed out that the mentions of the official name are sporadic and peripheral, most people will simply not see them at all, regardless of how "there" they may be. People WILL call it JK because the misnomer has been around for far longer than any official name, and people will call it that whether you like it or not. Get over it.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 18:05

#48

Batabii

And I will continue

And I will continue correcting them whether they like it or not. Get over it.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 19:08

#49

Darkbrady

Feel free to correct, just

Feel free to correct, just don't go around calling people stupid for something that's perfectly reasonable and well-justified.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 19:18

#50

Batabii

it hasn't been reasonable or

it hasn't been reasonable or well-justified for months...

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