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Mon, 01/09/2012 - 13:14
Nicoya-Kitty's picture
Nicoya-Kitty

So I've already got the full line of Electron Vortex recipes and of course I've had my Voltedge for what seems like ages now. I've got pretty much all the weapon trinkets I need (well, I still have one mod cal waiting around to craft up my bomb focus to elite, but never mind that) and I don't really have much interest in crafting a set of penta-hearts.

The Triglav is definitely off the list unless the troika line gets a serious buff at some point. The Stagger Storm is likewise unappealing as, while I enjoy my Haze Mk II in T2 lockdown, it's #4 of 4 weapons I use there so it doesn't really seem worth the energy to craft up a 5* version for T3 LD.

That just leaves the Plague Needle. I know it's "inferior" to the Blitz in most cases, but is it bad enough that I'll really notice the difference? (I don't own any autogun line weapon at the moment)

If all else fails I suppose I'll just start selling enamorock and mod cals on the AH.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 13:18
#1
Demonicsothe's picture
Demonicsothe
You could spend it on me so i

You could spend it on me so i can have a voltedge and be as cool as you :3

If you got enough though, just get them all. Why not?

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 13:26
#2
Bopp's picture
Bopp
saw Stagger Storm in use recently

I saw Stagger Storm in use recently, and it was pretty effective. Kind of like Voltaic Tempest, but with highly predictable monsters. Do it do it do it do it.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 13:38
#3
Scottish-Archer's picture
Scottish-Archer
the main use people have of

the main use people have of the blitz needle is vanaduke and FSC, but the plague needle only does 15% less damage but has the added bonus of the poison status effect, which is somehting alot of people overlook when going straight for the blitz.
PS. keep up the youtube video's nicoya, they are awesome! :D

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 14:28
#4
Mohandar's picture
Mohandar
Gameplaywise, Blitz > Plague

Sadly, it's been shown that even with the poison bonus, Plague Needle does LESS damage than Blitz Needle. Even taking into account two Blitz users + 1 Plague user, the damage bonus granted to the Blitz users from poison does not or barely makes up for the reduced damage of Plague Needle. The only reason to get Plague Needle then, is to reduce the damage Vana deals to you (effectiveness unconfirmed, but should work somewhat), or because it's cool and different from the Blitz.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 14:33
#5
Scottish-Archer's picture
Scottish-Archer
the blitz does only 15% more

the blitz does only 15% more damage. that can vary depending on the orange damage count thing whatever you call it ^^

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 14:35
#6
Traevelliath's picture
Traevelliath
Plague Needle

I have both the Plague and Blitz Needle guns... And the Plague does SIGNIFICANTLY less damage. More than 15% I think. However, the main bonus is the +dam from poison. If you have like 2 other Blitz Needle users, the overall DPS DRAMATICALLY increases. That's all you really need.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 14:41
#7
Scottish-Archer's picture
Scottish-Archer
so the combo of blitz and

so the combo of blitz and plague are perfect is the jist of this thread that was originally started as asking what to spend krogmo coins on xD

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 15:02
#8
Fradow's picture
Fradow
@Scottish-Archer unless you

@Scottish-Archer unless you want poison for the reduced attack damage on mobs, no, poison it not worth it. And the difference is a lot more than 15%, according my numbers (you can check some real data in FSC here : http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/35702 last post).
DPS-wise, except for edge case of speedrun (and even there, with realistic situation it would be very close), no reason to go for Plague.

In any case, you can still resell Mod Calibrator or Enamorock to make some use of your coins.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 15:14
#9
Trying's picture
Trying
Buy the bombheads you dont

Buy the bombheads you dont have :P

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 17:15
#10
Nicoya-Kitty's picture
Nicoya-Kitty
@Demonicsothe If only they

@Demonicsothe If only they were tradeable...

@Bopp Thing with the StaggerStorm in PvE is I'm not really comfortable with using it until the stun bugs are fixed (instant/doubled attacks).

@Trying I'm already starting to pile up with duplicates. ;_;

I've been thinking of possibly going with Voltedge/BTB/VV/SB for doing the duke with a party, compared with my regular load of Voltedge/BTB/Polaris/something so that would possibly make the Plague Needle a less attractive option. Alternating SB and VV should keep vana frozen+poisoned and paired with up to 3 blitz would be quite the force to be reckoned with. The downside is it would make the rocket puppy room a pain without the Polaris.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 00:07
#11
Stavrosg's picture
Stavrosg
oO

Get a Penta-heart pendant if you don't have one already. Always having a +6 vitapod in the clockworks is extremely useful.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 00:12
#12
Demonicsothe's picture
Demonicsothe
^

Nobody plays tank in sk while diving. The monsters just scale too fast and too hard to be taking hits. Just kill them all faster with other trinks.

I wouldn't mind a few enamorocks and mod calibrators nicoya :)

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 02:24
#13
Nicoya-Kitty's picture
Nicoya-Kitty
@Stavrosg Yeah, I could fill

@Stavrosg Yeah, I could fill about 8 trinket slots with weapon trinkets before I'd be tempted to put in a heart pendant, at least for PvE.

@Demonicsothe You can line up at the auction house just like everyone else. ;)

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 13:30
#14
Scottish-Archer's picture
Scottish-Archer
Triglav is good.

in the original post you ruled out the triglav, i was wondering why? right now im sitting with a grintovec and trying to get the krogmo coins together for the upgrade. dispite the smaller speed bar compared to the DA and other heavy swords, it is exactly the same when you use it. and it does more damage. another posotive (but sometimes a negative) its its huge knockback, like seriously, send zombies to the moon with that thing. unlike all other status effecting swords, it does not need a charge to be able to freeze enemies, the second hit of the combo has a chance of doing it also. and finaly it is one of only 2 swords in the game that does the freeze effect. i have seen people completly tearing FSC apart with a Triglav, maybe you should consider it? and keep up the youtube vids man, theyr awesome!

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 13:33
#15
Demonicsothe's picture
Demonicsothe
Triglav does more damage than

Triglav does more damage than a DA? Didn't know that.... And i find it hard to believe.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:14
#16
Scottish-Archer's picture
Scottish-Archer
i dont know definetly, i am

i dont know definetly, i am going by the stats. but keeping in mind the speed stat is wrong, the damage may also be. and also the Triglav looks badass!

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:47
#17
Fradow's picture
Fradow
According the data on wiki,

According the data on wiki, for neutral target, the damage per swing for Triglav is a little lower than DA/GF (especially for the 2nd hit). The charge attack damage is way lower too, and i remember someone saying that normal attacks were slower, and because of that, the dps of a Triglav/Sudaraska was lower than a DA/GF against weak target (but i don't have any numbers/tests to back those last claims, nor the ability to produce them).

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:50
#18
Alice-In-Pyroland's picture
Alice-In-Pyroland
The Triglav and Sudaruska are

The Triglav and Sudaruska are horribly underpowered weapons that are rarely used for any reason other than the novelty. As heavy swords they're outclassed by the Divine Avenger and Gran Faust, as normal swords the Leviathan is far better.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 14:51
#19
Mysticbeam's picture
Mysticbeam
i need mod cals, and lots of em :D

i am buying for 3k-4k apeice if u want to take up that offer :/

AND, please DO keep up the sk vids :D

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 15:30
#20
Nicoya-Kitty's picture
Nicoya-Kitty
Yeah, the troika line swords

Yeah, the troika line swords do a terrible amount of damage, and not in the "Ivan the Terrible" way either.

And I actually have a video encoding as we speak. It should be uploaded by tomorrow morning.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 15:33
#21
Scottish-Archer's picture
Scottish-Archer
mystic beam where are you

mystic beam where are you getting this info? as it is very different from what iv heared.

Tue, 01/10/2012 - 20:31
#22
Fehzor's picture
Fehzor
The storm of staggers.

Stagger storm is a must have weapon for everything. Not only can you stun+unstun to glitch enemies into killing your party (so you can heat your weapons 20% faster), but you can hit enemies with biohazzard shots left and right when they are stunned... its my favorite weapon by far.

BBBSHHHHOONNNGGG!!!

(friend me if you get it, so we can storm some staggers!)

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 01:59
#23
Stavrosg's picture
Stavrosg
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@Demonicscothe: Yes, I know playiong tank is not viable in SK, but effectively having a +6 vitapod always on you can save you;
being able to take one hit more witout dying (because that's it; just a hit more) will come (and have been) handy in tough situations.

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