I never denied what Yechezkel said, nor have I said anything to the contrary. He has misunderstood me, and it would seem you have too. I know what gender and sex are and how they differ. What I said had nothing to do with sex at all, it was all about gender. If you think I'm wrong about anything I've said, you're misunderstanding me.

I mean, when I say I know, I really know.

Edit because I'm super good at spelling. And you're right, I must have deleted the passage about intersex. I had so many parentheses in that post, I felt like another set would be too much.

I really do. To me, it really is more of a sliding scale rather than something that is easily defined by specific terms. I do recognize that you are talking only about gender, but even that can be muddled, and like I said, I have heard what you are referring to as intersex as other things as well. While yes, in a textbook somewhere you can probably find it referred to as just that, but that doesn't eliminate the validity of other ways of discussing both gender and sexuality.

For me, it comes down to this: you are who you are, no matter what, and how you define yourself should be what you want, not what society says you are. Though I don't think that gets us anywhere closer to deciding where Bechamel falls. I'm all for the energy thing, that Yechezkel posited. Makes sense to me!

Edit: I totally agree with your second post. Gender AND sexual identity are a function of what a specific person feels, not what society calls them or what group they say they fall into.

If you agree with my second post, you agree with me! No take backs! That's pretty much the basis of what I'm saying. I'm just young and apparently somewhat limited in my ability to be articulate (I mean, it all makes sense to me but you're not me).

I only like specific text book terms because they help explain situations to people who aren't in them. It's more like, a person who identifies as x has y characteristics rather than a person with y characteristics must identify as x. I don't like labels in that regard and fully believe that the only person with the prerogative to label you is you. If your sexuality matches my sexuality to the letter but you want to tell people you're fredsexual instead of pansexual, I have no objections. Call it whatever the hell you want to call it or don't give it a name at all, it won't change the way I think about you.

were as articulate as you duck, then the world would be a better place. I really dislike people giving others labels that the other person has not given themselves. Yes. labels can help classify someone, and yes, that can make talking about them easier, but at the end of the day, if they're a good person, who cares. All this stuff has nothing to do with a person's character, which is all that matters to me in the end. Also, fredsexual, lol.

damn the lag

"You thought that Jim-Dale would have made this thread even thought the title didn't have ANYTHING to so with himself?"
Good call, if he made it it would be "Jim-dale thinks bechamel is trangendered."

Whos gonna do DNA test?

I don't think so, at least I don't think they'd be delving into one of the most offensive gay stereotypes out there, given how it could alienate a few folks. In fact, the whole "fabulous~" thing is pretty offensive itself, and some of my friends can't help but roll their eyes and make a giant sigh at it. And once more, someone can be straight CIS and still be a cross dressing. Cross dressing itself doesn't imply transsexuality or sexual orientation. It's just someone wearing clothes that were designated to another gender. Do we say that women in suits and ties are transsexual too?

Bech is a girl, and i have a lsit of how i can tell:

THE FEATHERS!
she has a love puppy
WHO USES SCISSORS AS A WEAPON?! (besides maniacs)
i can add more but were focused on her ok?

I'm not saying that there are no homosexual hairdressers. But there are the "classic" kinds you refer to who are overly flamboyant, speak in a lisp, and are "fabulouuuus" as some people were calling out. I was saying that I know a few people who are annoyed and fed up with the stereotype and I can see why if this is the idea that jumps to how some gay people are portrayed. These are traits that can be just as likely exhibited from a straight person in both dress and profession so I don't see why orientation needs to matter with an offensive stereotype.

Without delving too far into it, it's sort of like how some people live up to a stereotype, but portraying the stereotype doesn't make it any less offensive, and in some cases aren't even as exaggerated as the stereotype itself is.

Anyways, to get back on topic I guess it's obvious that there is a difference between physical sex (boy/girl), gender (what you feel like), and orientation (who you are attracted to). But some people have a hard time recognizing gender from gender -roles- which are something that was constructed by society. You can have boys liking dolls and cute kittens and girls like dirtbikes and guns and they may still be straight CIS, and liking "girl" things and "boy" things is somewhat removed from -feeling- like you are the opposite gender. I like cross-dressing too sometimes (when I actually have the clothes), but because I am a girl most people would not look at me cross-dressing and assume that I am transexual. In fact, most would just assume I'm butch. This is only something attributed to men, because our male-oriented society still views it as strange for any men not to be "manly."

Whelp, can't argue with that. Carry on.

Wuvvums, you seems to be worried with stereotypes. Chill. When someone, accidentally or not, falls on a stereotype, doesn't means that he/she is implying something (actually thats rare). It's just lack of information. When someone gets to know you better, stereotypes fade out.

I am from brazil, a really stereotyped country, and i feel bad for the people who doesn't know our country properly, instead of getting pissed. I know they just lack on information.

I find it more interesting that Bechamel is the first of whatever species the Knights are that has visible hair. It was the first thing I noticed about her/him/shim/shrimp and is always the thing that draws my eye.

aaaaaaand Lock.

Bechamel is clearly the most fabulous guy in Haven.

Bechamel is a Dude.

I was right.

"... and being neither is not an option"
I consider it an option.
Spiral knights method of reproduction is unknown if any exists.
due to the game's detail, its impossible to tell if Knights have hologram eyes (like pixels on a screen-face) or they're glowing openings on a ball of faintly colored grey amorphous goo.

all we know is that knights have black faces with multicolored glowing eyes and they compulsively wear full body armor. and they hunt snarbolaxes.

its more than justified to say that spiral knights are a predecessor in design to Starbound's "glitch" race. Medieval knights who sometimes wield laser guns, glowing eyes, full body armor, clockwork engineering. all a strange coincidence considering Sk would be identical if not for the chibi art style.

in bechamels case, they're probably just another spiral knight, albeit one who looks more effeminate due to the accessories for which they symbolize.

Male Gardevoirs and female Lucarios.

I SAID IT

Oh Vog, why did this discussion have to pop up again.

Whether or not Bechamel is a transman or cis male or cis female or transwoman or genderfluid or agender bears absolutely no effect on the game. Word of God (the writers) use masculine pronouns (he, his, himself) for Bechamel, as has been pointed out quite a number of times.

But really, just use the singular 'they' (they, their, them, themself) pronouns and you'll avoid any and all misgendering issues.

Why must we be a bunch of grave diggers, anyways?

Guys, you didn't see Equals's picture?

When ever I equip a Tailed Helm with Draped/Culet Armor does my Knight suddenly become female? Probably. Whatever, I have a Serene Tailed Helm and I'm still going to wear it!

@Autofire: Yes! Reading DOES pay off! This is why I'm glad I actually read and paid attention to the game's story line. That way I knew why I had to fight that stupidly over powered Trojan with cut scenes and a Leviathan Blade.

Bechamel is a cutie, regardless of gender

<3

Xyka, I wish more people would take that advice to heart. All too often, I see people assuming everyone else to be male (particularly in gaming communities), and they say they're justified in it since they're almost always right anyways. That may be true, but.... it just bothers me...

The game where your sex is made up and your points don't matter.