It's obvious. Bechamel is the same gender as TF2's Pyro.

Colors as genders? An astounding idea!

Nicoya DID mention Birdo. ._.

I just want to say that I am so ridiculously pleased with this community for being mature and trans-inclusive and suchlike. It warms the cockles of my heart, and I mean that truly. Y'all are wonderful.

(Except you, Hetero, you should probably learn that that word is not a nice word. Better alternatives might be "is trans" or "is a trans person".)

YELLOW DANCER thank you. Lancer was my favorite character because his concept was so deep. I like the fact that he was really a transvestite too, not a full gender conversion because of the upbringing. It was odd to wrap my head around it when I was 9 or whenever the series first rolled, and then after I was a little older, re-wrapping my head around it when I more completely understood the sexual ramifications of the whole thing.

I don't think he's transgender, or specifically transgender.

There is a difference between cross-dressing and being transgender. There is also a difference between gender and gender roles. The girls wear dresses/pink, boys where jeans/blue is an example of a gender role, and not conforming to that does not particularly affect one's gender identity.

I always considered Bechamel to be female, what with the sauce and that helm (I totally want that, OOO I love you gaissogimmeonepleez <333) but then again my uncanny obsession with also looking god and being male threw me off. I eventually settled for male, because of the scissor holding method, its rather masculine to my eyes.

@41 I'm pansexual so you might want to alter that list of yours. And gender and sexuality are self defined so you can't put a number cap on either. Who's to say two people who identify as a gender that is neither male or female are identifying as the same gender? As far as Bechemel being transgender, if that were the case s/he'd only have one set of pronouns. Genderqueer or hermaphrodite would be more applicable (or bigender, although the two bigendered people I know prefer one set of pronouns all the time). It's also worth pointing out that humans can't be hermaphrodites. Knights, however, may be a different case.

Also, as someone who really gives a s*** about accuracy and lack of ignorance on this/these topic(s), I like this thread a lot. Yay for the SK community.

Yeah, I just feel like if someone doesn't know anything about the difference between sex and gender and might consider transgendered people to be a particular kind of homosexual, it's probably best not to confuse them by throwing out a bunch of terms they've never head before. Once you realize the difference, you start to become a more open-minded person and from there you can move on to realizing that gender's a self-defined thing which is basically a personal reaction to society and one's place in it, with some people falling into the same gender identity for entirely different reasons, and possibly some falling into different gender identities for the same reasons.

As an asexual, I definitely understand that sexuality isn't limited by sex or gender as well, it's simply grounded there by basic biology. I view it as a "how much are you attracted to X," with a different scale for every X. So someone who is pansexual might rank high when X is "people" or maybe when X is "caring and kindness" or some other trait which is mostly unrelated to gender. And someone who identifies as heterosexual might rank high when X is a trait or attribute most commonly expressed by the opposite sex, even though they're more interested in the trait than in the opposite sex itself.

As for Bechamel, it seems to me that her gender is undefined for the purpose of allowing anyone to choose the gender they believe she represents. So while I find that she's female, others would also be correct in finding that she's male, and in reality she is neither and possibly both at the same time.

I am very proud of this thread. It seems there has been a lot of evolution and acceptance culminating on the topic of sexual acceptance being fostered and condoned by younger and older players alike as time (the fire in which we burn) progresses.

One thing I would really like to see is the word "gay" refrained from being used as a derogatory blanket descriptive to indicate any number of things or situations that suck or annoy people. Assigning a sexual preference to a set of circumstances that doesnt met your approval is a very illogical and ignorant way to express displeasure, though I know that in many it is just ingrained and force of habit at this point because of its common use.

Also, I was wondering out of curiosity is there a glbt friendly guild in SK? Even with the outstanding maturity level demonstrated in this thread there will always be outliers and I think this might make for a great idea if it hasnt already been implemented.

~Lucas "Handkooler" Jackson

Would a LGBT friendly guild be a guild composed out of LGBT people or just a guild where nobody really cares about gender and sexuality?

Eurydice is sweatin' bullets.

"SOMEONE SAY SOMETHING BAD!"
...but it's not happening.

"SOMEONE GO OFF-TRACK SO I CAN GREMLIN-CHATTER THIS!"
...but Bechamel is still tenuously the main topic.

I'd like to think that Nick slowly glides by Eurdydice's cubical in his big office chair. "So...how's that thread goin?"

"Fine! Nothing yet!"

"Mmmm." And he keeps on rolling on, a slow chuckle in his wake.

2) What is Bechamel's sexuality? Is he/she attracted to Men, Women or both?

Nobody was talking about that directly as far as I can remember, but now that you've mentioned it so openly, this thread is bound to take a turn into a very... shady area.

I have to confess, though: when I fist saw Bechamel, I thought she was female, but my view of his gender/sex started to vacillate.

I don't think the Knights are sexual creatures. They sometime prefer a gender specification, but they don't uh...work on blacksmithing. If you get my drift.

I thought our knights were robots?

Robots don't eat or grow teeth, hair and nails (see DVS and that one Vitasuit). They also don't sleep, for that matter.

There are other options for what the knights are beyond "robot" and "person." I'm convinced they're just something else entirely.

Yeah, but that's equipment. They're just swapping out some parts for other parts.

This would make sense as far as hair, teeth, etc. goes (switch them anytime to accessorize like a freaky Barbie doll), but not for eating.
Also robots cannot into emotion. Robots can't laugh, hug, blow kisses.
And they can't flex, either.
Spirals are likely bio-mechanical or cyborgs of some kind, but at the very least, they have mechanical components and they are organisms.

Our sleep is just a sleep mode with a humanized animation, as we can enter and exit it at will, and not suffer any effects without it.
I mean sleep status.

Sexuality =/= gender.

I vote for a lock. We've explored this subject in a wonderfully deep fashion, but now it begs for offensive tangents. We wanna keep this thread beautiful and clean.

We want dead James Dean, not dead Elvis.

Dunno I haven't licked Bechamil.
You probably did.
Dirty.

1) What Bechamel's Gender is? (Male/Female/Transgender)
Transgender is not a separate gender. A transgender person is either male born into a female body, or female born into a male body. The former is still male and the latter is still female. It's not a third gender.

"Transgender is not a separate gender."
You are incorrect, sir or madam. "Gender" refers to self-conceptions of sexual identity, while "sex" refers to physical body properties. To elucidate, "gender" is a product of the mind, while "sex" is a product of the body. Contrary to popular belief, the two are not interchangeable.

:D

@Ginungagap That's more accurately known as intersex.
Transgender, by definition, is to be born with your gender not matching your sex. In either case, the GENDER of a trans person is still male or female, regardless of whether they were born intersex or not. My point is that saying "What Bechamel's Gender is? (Male/Female/Transgender)" is incorrect because it implies a transgender person is neither male or female. That's wrong. I know that is wrong.