Hello,
I just beat Vanaduke for the first time last night; with a bit of difficulty because I lacked a gun, and could only use Avenger charge attack. :-/
I decided because I currently have all 5* stuff, I'd get my first 5* gun (I was never very fond of guns, so I never got one past 4*).
After looking around the wiki for a bit, The only high-damage gun that didn't require beating the Roarmulus Twins was the Calahan/Iron Slug, but you couldn't move while shooting them (Totally not a good idea VS Vanaduke. :p)
So, I came here to ask:
What gun is good against Vanaduke? I'm willing to use Jelly Gems to get an Antigua (I farm JK daily), and also any other gun that doesn't require beating the Twins. (Beat them once, didn't like it at all. :-/)
What gun is best VS Vanaduke?
Wed, 02/01/2012 - 13:40
Wed, 02/01/2012 - 14:07
#2
Solo ? Argent Peacemaker for
Solo ? Argent Peacemaker for mobility
In group ? Blitz Needle for its crazy high dps.
That's pretty much everything you need to know.
Magnus line is terrible for FSC, and for vana, AP has more dps and mobility than Polaris.
Wed, 02/01/2012 - 14:13
#3
Fradow
I've always thought polaris does more DPS, and has the benefit of occasionally shocking him and stopping the charge. How much DPS are you talking difference? I have both, and carry both, but have prefered Polaris vs Vana.
Wed, 02/01/2012 - 14:17
#4
Gigawatt does around 79dmg
Gigawatt does around 79dmg per shot, polaris around 109ish. I'm not sure about ap dmg, but it seems to be around the same, with the bonus of more shots before reload.
Wed, 02/01/2012 - 14:43
#5
@Perronius we are talking
@Perronius we are talking about 42 dps difference, not accounting for shock (which is probably less than 10dps), more infos here : http://forums.spiralknights.com/fr/node/40424 comment 13. Shock and overall usefulness are valid reasons to pick Polaris over AP.
Wed, 02/01/2012 - 15:03
#6
Decided, got the Polaris.
I played a few JK hunts to get crowns, and got a pulsar, and upgraded it to Kilowatt. I should have it to Polaris in about a week or two.
Thanks for the help. ☺
Wed, 02/01/2012 - 15:44
#7
Gigawatt is perfectly fine
Gigawatt is perfectly fine for fsc soloing, but don't use it when you have a shiver blitz team. The upgrade to polaris is a damage increase, you are better off spending the 800ce to upgrade other gear that you havn't upgraded.
Tip on polaris, don't fire all 3 shots, because the reload animation can come up at the wrong time, which is made worst by the lose of speed.
Wed, 02/01/2012 - 18:27
#8
Callahan is awesome on
Callahan is awesome on Vanaduke. It's benefit is, believe it or not, it's mobility. It is so easy to shield cancel and get moving again. It is definately possible to use on Vanaduke solo cause I have without dying recently - only once did I have to shield a Vana hammer that was due to bad stun. And it penetrates barriers, is piercing, blah blah blah.
Stun bothering you on Vana? Definately it is bad, it takes some time to get used to how to completely avoid bad stun from killing you.
But I would definately go Argent Peacemaker if you want the safest gun.
Wed, 02/01/2012 - 19:04
#9
The autogun lines are
The autogun lines are probably the best for pure DPS, and teh AP for the safety/mobility. When my girl and I go in, I use Pepperbox and she uses AP and we keep a good mix of dps and mobility, letting us act accordingly if/when he switches aggro.
Wed, 02/01/2012 - 19:17
#10
Pretty sure Callahan has much
Pretty sure Callahan has much less DPS than AP, so if AP is safer, why use Callahan?
Also lol Pepperbox
Wed, 02/01/2012 - 20:50
#11
Was wonderin' about the
Was wonderin' about the callahan~AP myself. Callahan is stun, which is something you don't want happening to Vana, and AP dps can keep up really nicely.
And the pepperbox is for general use; I don't feel like making a gun specifically for FSC/Vana when it's the one and only gun I have/use; far less dps than Blitz, but keeps up nicely still with that beasty charge :)
Wed, 02/01/2012 - 20:55
#12
Callahan deals about 230
Callahan deals about 250ish (this is off I cannot remember but mid 200s) damage per shot I think I was seeing with my damage bonuses. Argent Peacemaker was something like 100 per bullet I think, so yeah you were probably right. It's just so fun using the Callahan so people have more options than just Blitz / AP :3
Remember that you don't unload the clips on him with neither the AP nor Callahan. Shoot before end of clip - pause - shoot before end of clip - pause
So AP isn't safer because of it's clip size, only because of Callahan's stun which is controllable to a point that you can learn to not inflict a bad stun.
So what is something good about this? Freeze is a little bit more controllable when you have fewer shots. But if you have freeze you would be Blitzing anyway...
I don't know, lol. Laziness. I don't feel like changing my loadout and clicking mouse three times to put in AP. I don't really have a reason for Callahan > AP, but.. it's doable and not bad? ><
Wed, 02/01/2012 - 20:58
#13
Oops double post. But yeah
Oops double post. But yeah pepperbox is awesome on those things like gun puppies which a blitz would be funny on.
Having both pepperbox and blitz would be a bit better for Vana but I guess it would suffice.
Darkbrady, does your pepperbox penetrate barriers like the blitz needle on its charge attack?
Wed, 02/01/2012 - 21:17
#14
Oh yeah, if I had a blitz I'd
My bad, I read that as sayin' that Callahan was ideal for Vana because of it's mobility, didnae realise you just meant in the same fashion as AP was ideal. Aye, don't think the Callahan would be bad enough to merit not usin' at all, only really a bit dangerous becasue of the stun, but if you can control that I guess it's neither here nor there.
Oh yeah, if I had a blitz I'd definitely be usin' that on Vana instead, no question, I just use it on everythin' else as well; the wavy motion/zig-zag charge of it makes it good for blasting apart zombies too. Only problem with Pepper against puppies is that only the charge will interrupt, the regular attacks don't cause interruptions and if the puppy is too far away most of the bullets will miss, but thas generally not an issue.
Penetrating bullets? I've never used a Blitz myself, so can't say I've ever noticed any barrier penetration when my girl uses it, nor have I ever heard of it. What kind of barriers do you mean? As far as I'm aware, Pepper doesn't break through a Trojans shield for instance, but nothing breaks through that, right?
Will go test on my run after this, and ask her about blitz.
Wed, 02/01/2012 - 21:49
#15
Okay, I don't normally like
Okay, I don't normally like to get involved in off topic internet arguments, but this is laughable. Blitz Needle and Pepperbox have the exact same weaknesses. They take a long time to fire, you can't move while firing them, and even though they have a huge range, they don't reach their full potential unless you're near the monsters. So why use a Blitz? Because it vastly outdamages every other gun in the game on a single target. Pepperbox is a Normal Blitz Needle with much lower damage, an irrelevant chance to cause Fire, and a pull effect. The only reason to use a Pepperbox is that you like the Blitz Needle so much, you want to use it on Constructs and Slimes. The only reason to use a Pepperbox instead of a Blitz Needle is that there are monsters in the Construct and Slime family that you want to use a Blitz Needle on over all your other weapons. So what is it? Lumbers and Jellies?
And for the record, Blitz Needle is not only good against Trojans and Vanaduke. It can also be used quite effectively against the following:
Chromalisks
[Alpha] Wolvers
Silkwings
Gremlin Thwackers
Gremlin Menders
Gremlin Demos
Zombies
Phantoms
Snarbolax
Howlitzers
Devilites, Greavers, and Kats (with cover / space to dodge / party members to take aggro)
It's not quite as good as a sword for most but it is either the best or among the best guns for all of the above except the last three. If you don't see how Pepperbox can be used against those monsters, then I don't know why you're using one at all.
Edit: The barriers in FSC he's referring to are the blue walls that divide rooms such as the ones in D25. Blitz Needle's charge attack can shoot through those walls, but Zombies cannot attack back, allowing you to strike Zombies with impunity. It's not really necessary, but it allows you to freely spam. The only thing I've been hit with through those walls were Oiler slicks that caught on fire.
Wed, 02/01/2012 - 22:07
#16
Rather harsh, Otaia. So what
Rather harsh, Otaia. So what if people wishes to use different weapons? DB already stated that he would use blitz if he could, just that he isn't currently in possession of one. Do you say the same things to sword users who don't wear wolver line armour?
Wed, 02/01/2012 - 23:28
#17
I guess i mad cuz he keeps
I guess i mad cuz he keeps saying Blitz is only for FSC while using a Pepperbox. I use Blitz as one of my main guns almost anywhere Piercing damage is viable. I don't care what people use, but when the reason isn't "I use whatever I want" but "I think this is actually good," especially in a thread about gearing optimally, it just triggers me to say "YOU'RE WRONG". Neither relevant or warranted, though.
Wed, 02/01/2012 - 23:26
#18
Absolutely no idea what you
Absolutely no idea what you mean about charge. Do you mean the gates that lift up and down? Or the forcefield barriers? can only imagine them...will go test that, already passed D25 by the time I read that though.
I use Blitz as one of my main guns almost anywhere Piercing damage is viable
Key words. You don't use it anywhere, you use it anywhere that's pierce-weak. I really, really like the way autogun shoots and fires, the huge damage, the charge etc, but it's really pretty awful anywhere else. RJP, useless. Mech Miles, useless. Puppies, useless.
I've clearly stated that within FSC/Vana, I would use Blitz as the damage is undoubtedly better, but I also said that I only have one gun, and I like being able to use it everywhere/anywhere, which is something that Pepperbox has. Autogun only has pierce or normal, it doesn't split off into multiple special types, so if you want to use it beyond anything that is weak to pierce, you either need another gun completely, or Pepperbox, which is why I use it. I never said Blitz was bad, just that it's primary use is against Vana. Whether you use it often or not doesn't change the fact that in general it doesn't get used that much in regular CW play. Neither does Pepperbox, but I like usin' it there.
Also, it wasn't an argument, i was commentin' that Blitz is the gun for Vana, I just happened to mention in my example that it's Pepperbox I use, and then explained why, when you asked.
Also to mention that the "weaknesses" i mentioned were the damage types, not the actual gun style flaws. However:
they don't reach their full potential unless you're near the monsters
Due to the Pepperbox's drag effect within a charge, this is rarely, if ever a problem against non-stationary mobs.
Wed, 02/01/2012 - 23:32
#19
DB did note the loss of dps
DB did note the loss of dps using a less than optimal weapon. He stated that in his first post.
Within many of these arsenal questions on gear, people do as for advice and such. With different people providing differing opinions, it encourages op's to find the equipment they themselves would enjoy using. Even if they don't ask, people will post opinions anyways.
No need to be mad is all I'm saying, and don't put down weapons that are useful, even if not optimal. Unless it really is terrible and has no place in the situation given.
Edit for your edit Otaia: DB never said pepperbox was better than blitz, just that he prefers it everywhere else
Blitz needle doesn't require RT farming.. I think. Argent peacemaker from the antigua line is a decent solo gun for vanaduke. Calla is a terrible gun for dps, which is what is required for to beat vanaduke.
But if you want, getting a pulsar and upgrading to gigawatt makes it easy to beat him, albeit taking a long time.