You really dont need much skills to run in circles with max ctr and drop mist bombs to be honest.
But same goes for running across the map spamming the attack button with a flourish or polaris.

Most random players just torture their mouse, so the clone army shouldnt complain much because they do the same thing.

Now using the other kind of bombs, like shards,etc is another story.

@Fluffyfoxxie That someone is no doubt Blueberrymuffin, and he cries every time I rip his ankles off with my shards. Learn to love his anguished wailing. :D

I want to see you kill someone in t3 lockdown with the big angry bomb.

http://i.imgur.com/6bMcs.jpg

come on. do it.

Bombing requires a different kind of skill. If you think I'm just running around in circles planting bombs, you're crazy. I'm more likely to take damage than any of you, because my gear doesn't protect me and charging my bomb leaves me completely vulnerable. I'm having to dodge guns, and with my latency? LAWL. That's crazy. Then RSS isn't about just planting and hoping it hits someone, no... it's about actually aiming and predicting where someone is going to go so when they go there you nail them in the face with a sun shard.

Bombing requires skill. I'm sick of people ragging on bombers.

Once again, I challenge you to craft a big angry bomb and successfully use it in lock down. go ahead. do it.

Do us knights have ankles? Or is it just feet that we're missing...

@Tennis Well, that depends on how often they've tripped over shankles in the clockworks...

I REALLY don't like people who discriminate on another class. If someone and their attacks are lacking skill, then it's the PLAYER lacking skill.

An ability that doesn't require skill is calling in an Airstrike on the battlefield. Like a MOAB in CoD. Although it takes skill to get one, to a degree.

I've heard ol'Blueberry moaning before. It gets annoying.

IMO, bombers are great. Their mist bombs don't interfere with other teammates attacks, the other damage bombs are good traps for Strikers who don't watch where they're going, and they're really good at defending CPs.

My challenge to bombers: Dominantly use a Graviton/Electron Charge/Bomb/Vortex in Lockdown effectively.

Happy bombing!

I remember when Roarr got a triple kill with sun shards.

I was so mad.

Here I was, just moving slightly to avoid the pattern and everyone just runs into him like it's nothing. Moments later everyone dies, I kill Roarr and the rest of his team rushes me. Bombing takes skill, but unless you use other weapons you're going to get locked in charge animation since your only option is to charge your weapon. Foxxie isn't necessarily a pure bomber either, because he uses an Argent Peacemaker and a sword which I can't remember (Gran Faust probably).

I don't see why you would make such a thread since you yourself have already acknowledged the weakness of bombs by using countermeasures like AP. A successful lockdown bombing run takes some timing, and a great sense of positioning. It takes some skill, no doubt. However, I don't think it matters really, since you can't score anything decent as a bomber.

If you aren't averaging 5+ caps as a bomber then you are probably playing it wrong anyway.

edit: Skill doesn't win games anyway. You could score 40k damage and still lose. It's about being at the right place, at the right time, doing the right thing. I've probably clocked at least 400 hours into T3 lockdown, and I can safely say that nothing is more dangerous in a group skirmish than a bomber. A bomber can help the most during group skirmishes by planting ANY BOMB WHATSOEVER. It absolutely makes it hard to defend CPs, cap CPs and more or less defend your own spawn.

People take Lockdown way too seriously. Every weapon requires some skill. You need to be able to use it effectively while dodging the attacks of your enemies. You can't accomplish much by just spamming bombs and hoping stuff dies. However, the skill cap on the game is just not that high. As long as you are properly geared, handy with a keyboard+mouse, and understand the basics of the game (cap + defend points), you can compete. You almost never find a game that's completely filled with people that know what they're doing; almost every game has a bunch of people on one bar connections, people in 4* gear, people who have no idea how to play and walk into fire, so it's really easy to get a false sense of being really good at the game when you're really nothing special. When I watch the professional gamers compete at games like Starcraft, Dota, CS, etc - I see players playing at a level that is scary. Even after playing hundreds of games of Starcraft and playing against many Diamond league players, I still can't even begin to compete with the real professionals. Compared to games like that, Lockdown requires no skill at all. Regardless of which class you play or which weapon you use. I don't claim to be the best at Lockdown, and I've certainly seen quite a few players that are better than me, but I have not yet seen anyone play at a level that really amazes me. And I don't think I will, because there are pretty strict limitations on what is possible in the game.

@Neodasus However, I don't think it matters really, since you can't score anything decent as a bomber.

*cough* http://steamcommunity.com/id/nicoya/screenshot/470861053756623577?tab=pu... *cough*

Sorry, I seem to have something caught in my throat.

*hack* http://steamcommunity.com/id/nicoya/screenshot/596958827128136330?tab=pu... *cough*
*ahem* http://steamcommunity.com/id/nicoya/screenshot/596958827128131538?tab=pu... *wheeze*
*hurk* http://steamcommunity.com/id/nicoya/screenshot/596957222593901631?tab=pu... *faint*

@Nicoya

Tier 2 players are too derp to know how to deal with bombers.

Nothing to really brag about. We're talking T3 lockdown here, the fastest and most competitive tier. Argue all you want, but T3 is the only real way to play. Foxxie racks up your stats and more in a higher tier.

I'm just telling it like it is.

A new player will obviously not know how to deal with a bomber.

If you get 11 defends with sun shards then you are either very good, or your opponents are very bad.

Even if they did have decent players in T2, it is likely that 3* loadouts cannot adequately deal with bombers.

Tell me when you're ready to play with the big boys Nicoya, we'll be waiting.

Iron, you forgot max shock.

@Neodasus I think you need to play some T2 lockdown before passing judgement like that. The only thing T3 lockdown has is a higher gear cost.

In fact, I'd honestly say that T1 lockdown is the most highly competitive tier. No credit card warriors buying their way to victory (Even Golza's insane UVs were lucky auction house finds) and doubly so now that everyone's been handed UV'ed 1* gear for free. T2 is a close second. Honestly, from what I've seen of T3 Lockdown, it's mostly half-geared players who think that they should just equip whatever the highest star equipment they have, mixed in with a few high rollers who have max shock skolver and VH ASI flourishes.

And if anyone doesn't want to get ripped to shreds by my shards, there's always options (never mind that the most common armor in T2 resists the piercing portion of the shards damage).

Attempting to play Lockdown with "pure" loadouts of any weapon type will put you at an inherent disadvantage to an equally skilled player not choosing to play to the same limitations. That's not a matter of disputing the skill bombers, or gunners or even pure-swordsmen demonstrate, it's simply the nature of the way the game is designed. Neo had it right in his very first post in the thread, and this is coming from someone who chooses to play as a pure bomber most of the time.

That being said Spiral Knights is an immensely casual game and people getting mad over random Lockdown games where the barometer for skill is almost nonexistent is silly. I can't say I've ever encountered muffin but frankly (s)he sounds like they have some rather unfortunate anger managment issues and should be paid no mind. Stop worrying about childish scrubs on the internet getting upset over video games, laugh at them and continue to play however you wish to do so.

Lol, you hit the bulls eye.

Tier 1 lockdown is the best imo. you don't die in half a second, or by a 2 hit combo. It is balanced in my opinion.

Im no clone in LD, sporting a chaos cowl, snarby coat, AP, flamberge, voltedge, gran-pa faust (im very fair using this. besides, its uv is CTR :3)

clones can be annoying, but what gets me more than anything is polaris spam.

Swag XD

Bombs take a different kind of skill than swords. Strikers can attack then boost away from a counter attack, recons can go invisible after attacking, and Guardians can guard after attacking. When you're charging a bomb, you're helpless to walk around at a decreased speed with strikers boosting or shooting at you, if they manage to hit you, you're done for. You have to learn how to dodge shots and toothpicks then stop to drop a bomb. It's easy to tell good bombers from bad bombers, the good ones manage to put down a bomb. A good bomber is worth a lot more than another good swordie, it doesn't matter if it takes more skill to use the strongest and fastest class of weapons in the game. Bombers are very helpful for the rest of the team.

Oh, and Neo, I play T3, T2, and T1. Most T3ers I've fought can't do a darn thing to recons where as being recon in T2 is usually suicide. T1 is the land where skill matters most, UVs and Trinkets usually influencing T3 more than any other Tier. So T3 is only the best option for the richest players.

Bombing in LD made me sad. The most effective weapon I had overall was VT, which was very useful on non-rich strikers. Rich guys tended to have shock defense, which was usually enough for them to zip in and kill me with a couple pokes before shock set in, despite the dual pentas. Polaris spam wasn't too bad until my latency issues started catching up to me, then it would be "dodge around bull...OH WAIT get hit after all".

The last day I played I decided to not care about such things as dodging, protecting points, or generally doing anything but running forward with a nitro or FoV. I was actually pleasantly surprised with the usefulness of Nitro, although it could never put out enough to kill strikers before they killed me.

In all, LD favors lone wolves with pointies or guns, and support troops like bombers get the short end.

Now I just hope they don't add more recipes into Sullivan's menu.

i use a grintovic :) and bombs

Stun bombs are invaluable in T3 GvG, just saying.

I just can't imagine T1/T2 GVG being that competitive.

Derp

@Nicoya

We should have a shard duel. Although we'd have to miraculously get teammates that would allow us to do such sillyness and not toothpick/whack/bonk us to death midbattle. I.E. I tried it once with another bomber, we kept getting whacked by other players after they agreed not to :<

@Vescrit I've managed to have a few shard duels with fellow bombers. The key is to get enough shards going that no other players dare get close. :D