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Enough of this stuff, guys.

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Thu, 03/01/2012 - 09:26
Encross

It's truly a sad day that this divisor of "100% P2P" content has come out. And people had different reactions -- some were okay paying $4 and some found the rapid change of business model something they couldn't stick with, much less continue playing.

There's no bickering that can be done here to make one side believe the other. No amount of fighting will get points across -- we're all smart people here, and we disagree inherently based on our values and what we expected from the game. OBviously those who expected a completely F2P game are disappointed, while others who are okay paying a little do not mind at all. Quitting a game, for any reason, is a natural part of the experience: we'll all quit at some point or another, and for different reasons. Those that choose to do so now, choose to do so now, and that's that.

Lets just agree to disagree, and move on. There ARE things we would like to get changed -- I think the most important one that we can agree on is having a ingame crystal-energy method of buying the content, so that it's not 100% P2P. But OOO won't listen to a playerbase bickering and trolling amongst itself.

You need to take a few steps back in order to jump further. As a slightly smaller community after the quits, we'll need to work even harder to be heard. The first step is to work together.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 09:30
#1
Fauxhownd's picture
Fauxhownd
I'm RIGHT though. The ones

I'm RIGHT though. The ones leaving because of it are wrong and immature, especially Nicoya, who hasn't contributed anything to this game. That's the absolute bottom line.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 09:33
#2
Knightrails's picture
Knightrails
Okay, that seems like

Okay, that seems like trolling just for the sake of trolling.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 09:35
#3
Encross
I disagree. The absolute

I disagree. The absolute bottom line is that there we can agree to disagree. Your "righteousness" is founded on opinion, and that's hardly a constant among things such as a playerbase.

"There's no bickering that can be done here to make one side believe the other. No amount of fighting will get points across -- we're all smart people here, and we disagree inherently based on our values and what we expected from the game."

So lets just nod our heads and work for the common goals, this fighting is obviously not getting us anywhere.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 09:37
#4
Myllakka's picture
Myllakka
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Yes, because obviously Nicoya's helpful replies and videos are so much more like trolling than your posts on the forums, Tammy.

There's not such thing as a 'wrong' reason to quit a game. It's a personal choice, so who are you to pass judgement?

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 09:41
#5
Aumir's picture
Aumir
I am not leaving. I am

I am not leaving. I am waiting for that own client trade/gift, Nick said he would make that. Don't try to tell me he won't because it isn't just "Steam or not", there are Kongregate players too which would like such a thing.

I don't play Lockdown so I could care less about it getting even more unfair, and those equips I could care even less about them. I may like to be pure bomber someday, but as the hybrid I am, I am very happy with my loadout being a Gran Faust, a Polaris (with awesome UV for FREE) and a Dark Briar Barrage. If I ever get a hand on those weapons, well, NICE I suppose... and that's it!

So, yeah, OOO must try harder for its "p2p only players conspirational plan" if they want me out. (I am joking about that, I am not leaving though as I say)

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 09:49
#6
Canozo's picture
Canozo
I dont get it.

I just dont.
Why is everyone quitting? If I would be a F2P (actually im not sure if im P2P or F2P) I would just ignore it and continue with the normal stuff.

Cant afford DLC but you want it? Get 3,000CE or less.
Dont got steam? Its just 1.5 MB and takes over 5 minutes installing.

OOO Gave us Free missions, and they are just making some profit out of them, Good for them and us!

But Ohwell, like Myllakka said, It's a personal choice. /bye spiral-hipster

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 09:55
#7
Encross
Just a clarification, I'm not

Just a clarification, I'm not quitting. I'm just trying to resolve differences here so we can work productively together to get the changes we can agree on -- for example, the missions being buyable with CE, and not through steam gifting.

I'm honestly not sure where you got the idea that I was quitting, but uh, it's cool.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 09:58
#8
Asukalan's picture
Asukalan
"Dont got steam? Its just 1.5

"Dont got steam? Its just 1.5 MB and takes over 5 minutes installing." And after linking your account its bound to steam FOREVER, after that every time you will want to play SK you will have to download and install STEAM.

We already have ingame trading system, somehow OOO made sonic costiume items both buyable with CE and "with purchase". The fact, now they dont bother just show that they dont care for F2P players and (what is terrible) they just sold their souls to Steam and duped all players who are playing on official site using official client or on kongregate.

"Good for them and us!" Yeah, keep telling that to yourself, after this P2P/steam slaves only content, after next one, and next one...

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 10:00
#9
Exileddread's picture
Exileddread
I support this thread.

I support this thread.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 10:05
#10
Metagenic's picture
Metagenic
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The ones leaving because of it are wrong and immature, especially Nicoya, who hasn't contributed anything to this game.

Nicoya? Are you serious?

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 10:14
#11
Canozo's picture
Canozo
@Asukalanforum

Whats the problem with having your steam accout bound to steam? I really cant see it.
I play SK on Steam, and I dont have to download and install steam over and over again.

I know that OOO cares about players and the game, but having the F2P players leaving wont affect their wallets, so leaving the game just wont help on anything (just saying)

I think that OOO should make so you can buy this with CE, to stop all this mess.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 10:21
#12
Metagenic's picture
Metagenic
Hmm

He doesn't want to use a third-party application just to get access to the dlc.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 10:45
#13
Slayzz's picture
Slayzz
@Tammy Man, you are one

@Tammy Man, you are one conceited troll. You don't seem too bright either.
Nicoya definitely contributed to this game, by helping advertise it on YouTube pretty much. I'm not going to bother explaining how F2P players help the game since the concepts would overwhelm you. I'll keep it nice and simple for you;
F2P players good for game.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 10:55
#14
Fauxhownd's picture
Fauxhownd
If you want to quit, do so

If you want to quit, do so for a legitimate reason, such as school, girlfriend, work, etc. If your reason is "oh because the expansion isn't free" then you're going to get an unpleasant reaction from me, because it makes you look spoiled.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 11:05
#15
Alynn's picture
Alynn
wow

talk about shallow minded..........

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 11:36
#16
Eurydice's picture
Eurydice
Community Manager
Hey. I just went and cleaned

Hey. I just went and cleaned some nasty attack language out of this thread. Debating is fine, being jerks to each other is not.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 11:41
#17
Demonicsothe's picture
Demonicsothe
Thank you Eury.

Thank you Eury.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 11:45
#18
Softhead's picture
Softhead
HEY MY POST IS GONE!

Oh well.

Thanks Eury!

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 11:50
#19
Fallconn's picture
Fallconn
FALCON PUNCH!

so.......what were we talking about? :P

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 11:53
#20
Juances's picture
Juances
~

Just gonna say this once

@Tammytryhard
"I'm RIGHT though. The ones leaving because of it are wrong and immature, especially Nicoya, who hasn't contributed anything to this game. That's the absolute bottom line."

Nicoya simply left and didnt say anything else but Goodbye, he remained silent. There's nothing wrong in quitting something, lol.
You're the immature yelling at a wall now.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 11:54
#21
Skold-The-Drac's picture
Skold-The-Drac
To those here

@Spiral-Hipster: Yep, agreement is there.

@Tammy: It's because of nicoya that some of those players you encounter randomly know how to deal with JK. It's because of nicoya I even had skill with RT and JK before I even had one fight with them. Nicoya posted very helpful youtube tutorials and videos that aided multiple SK players in their playstyle and skill. Nicoya's been a wonderful, pleasant person, and may have had more reasons than simply the expansion to quit. Think before you post pls. I'm not going to spit venom at you more than you've lost any opportunity of gaining respect from me. May we never cross paths, because I refuse to play with the likes of you.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 11:54
#22
Fallconn's picture
Fallconn
FALCON PUNCH!

ö_ð i doubt that...alot ¬_¬

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 12:42
#23
Thimol's picture
Thimol
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every time you will want to play SK you will have to download and install STEAM.

I'd hate to find out how many perfectly good computers were decommissioned in your hands because you had to install Microsoft Office every time you had to type up a paper for an assignment.

Or how you had to had to download and install Firefox/Chrome/Opera/IE every time you wanted to use the Internet.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 12:55
#24
Tengu's picture
Tengu
I laughed so hard a farted a

I laughed so hard a farted a little at that.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 12:59
#25
Asukalan's picture
Asukalan
@Thimol You can write papers

@Thimol

You can write papers in preinstalled programs like wordpad in Windows or as a text file.

Operating systems have built in browser that you can use for internet browsing, more in Windows you dont need it at all, you can use explorer to do it.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 13:13
#26
Yvanblo's picture
Yvanblo
Selling souls

OOO did not 'sell it's soul' to Steam. Steam IS the future. If your not using Steam, and HATE Steam, that is your own fault. Steam is a fantastic portal to the gaming world. Give it a try, and you may discover that there are many benefits to having it.

Did you know that I can go to any computer that has an internet connection, install Steam (if it's not already installed), download Spiral Knights (if it's not already installed) (or any of the 70+ games I have in my Steam library), and play! ANY computer that has Steam will allow me to play all my games (if the system has fast enough hardware).

In 2004 when Half-life 2 came out, I was so pissed that I HAD to have an internet connection, and install this stupid thing called Steam. Man was I mad! How could they do this to ME! 8 years later, Steam is one of the most used applications on my computer, go figure. It's rough having to click more than 4 times in order to buy and install a new game. Would I rather drive to the store and pay full price for a boxed version? Nope. DLC is also the future, and it came breathe new life into almost any game, for very little cost to the end user. Fantastic!

Complaining about Steam is like complaining that the internet makes information too accessible to too many people. Makes no sense whatsoever.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 13:20
#27
Aumir's picture
Aumir
Until the day Steam goes off

Until the day Steam goes off and all your bought games vanish in the air because you don't own them. Just an example of why many people aren't on Steam.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 13:41
#28
Reiyu's picture
Reiyu
steam is the best platform to

steam is the best platform to make money from. you don't know how much game developers were so pleased after steam welcomed indies. the indies made more profit, steam made profit. both happy.

this is something that you guys don't know, but i can log on to my account using a regular client even though i'm a steam user. i normally check my game anywhere granting a computer i can access without installing steam and just via the spiralknights.com.

in a nutshell: STOP QQ-ING. you maggots don't run a business and if you do, you would understand.

(p.s. OOO profits more from kids who know only to enjoy the game rather than you people pretending to be smart and QQ-ing. you are the minority. go quit and do the community a favor so we hear less whines.)

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 13:47
#29
Neodasus's picture
Neodasus
>leaving over 3.99

>leaving over 3.99, spend over 50 USD in energy

stay classy SK players

@Aumir

you do realize under the TOS you actually own that game no matter what right? Steam would never "disappear" because it's literally the thing keeping PC gaming alive. Do you know how much money goes through Steam each day? Do you know how much cheaper games can be sold for due to digital distribution and DRM? I don't think you do, and I think you're just fanny frustrated that you can't afford a 3.99 expansion. Even when Steam was hacked a few months ago, they resolved it quickly and even owned up to it.

you stay classy too, pal

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 13:51
#30
Aumir's picture
Aumir
Actually I will prove to you

Actually I will prove to you how smart I am when I buy the DLC with CE bought with crowns when Nick finishes the client. I won't go elsewhere, so take a sit, relax and enjoy my eternal company. Also I will be 5 dollars richer.

We can all be stingy if we try. Stop insulting people.

@Neodasus: Whoa, you must be psychic and know who and what I am. Actually, not. Steam isn't more than a platform, and if Valve decides to pull the plug off you, you will lose all your accounts and everything. But hey, it is just something that "could" happen...

Stop being so pretentious, credit card warriors.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 13:56
#31
Neodasus's picture
Neodasus
I'll sell you the DLC right

I'll sell you the DLC right now for 2.4kce via steam.

It will save you the wait. You gonna stay classy or join the master race?

edit: I use a debit card, nice try though. I'm sure you could start a debit account if your parents let you. It's no different than using cash.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 13:57
#32
Aumir's picture
Aumir
Actually, I only have 200CE.

Actually, I only have 200CE. I am that poor. : ) And, I won't join Steam. Ever. Give it to someone else who deserves it better also.
Edit: You sir still think I have to depend on my parents. Also, you seem to not know that different people have different points of view on how to enjoy a f2p game.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 13:59
#33
Neodasus's picture
Neodasus
You make less CE than you

You make less CE than you would working at an actual job

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 14:00
#34
Thimol's picture
Thimol
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You gonna stay classy or join the master race?

lol oh god
chanspeak
chanspeak everywhere

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 14:01
#35
Neodasus's picture
Neodasus
? what's that I heard it on

? what's that I heard it on facebook xD

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 14:03
#36
Zyborg's picture
Zyborg
There are other digital

There are other digital distribution services for games, you know. Steam just happens to be the most popular one right now. If Steam were to disappear completely today, it wouldn't bring the entirety of PC gaming down with it. Another digital distribution service (like Impulse) would take Steam's place, and the industry would go on as it did before.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 14:05
#37
Aumir's picture
Aumir
@Neodasus

I make CE as every f2p player does. My job has no concern of you or SKnights.

Moreover, I was thinking to actually maybe be a p2per and buy it because I was thinking "hey, once in a year, they can get a donation made by me"... but thanks to people as you and other people, now I won't. I will be a f2p player until the day I decide to quit or this game closes. : )

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 14:14
#38
Nordlead's picture
Nordlead
that is one of the big

that is one of the big reasons I hate steam, but it doesn't matter. I can't buy CiV 5 in a box without registering it with steam. the DVD won't do me any good once the steam servers go dark. I also hate that my most of my PS3 games are server dependant. One of the reasons I love Nintendo is they make a ton of great 1-player games that I will be able to play until the systems break and can't be replaced any more.

But, none of that matters for Spiral Knights, since the Spiral Knights servers are almost guaranteed to go dark before steam does. Oh, and yea, I bought an elevator pass on my steam account, but I didn't purchase it through steam. I used the energy link on the Wiki and bought via Paypal, so you would only need to install the client, and not use ANY of the features except if you want to trade with other steam users.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 14:23
#39
Aumir's picture
Aumir
@Nordlead

Yes, that is actually more thoughtful. My main reason to not use Steam is that I may go a bit overboard with buying games if I registered. Also, I don't like their terms of service, technical support, the application itself... it isn't for me. I may be a retro kind of guy too, I don't like digital distribution. They may be dumb reasons, but hey, that is me.

It may sound dark, but yes, Steam won't "fall" (and really, I hope it doesn't fall, it is good for indie devs, and I DO know about it because of... personal reasons) before this game does most likely. Which it is kind of sad, that's how I am seeing it. Sorry for not being optimistic, I suppose I will be more when this wall now created (and possibly expanded) is broken... I just hope Nick's efforts of putting the trade/gift client ingame "give fruit" (sorry for the literal sentence).

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 14:28
#40
Ornithopt
Aumir said "I make CE as

Aumir said "I make CE as every f2p player does. My job has no concern of you or SKnights.

Moreover, I was thinking to actually maybe be a p2per and buy it because I was thinking "hey, once in a year, they can get a donation made by me"... but thanks to people as you and other people, now I won't. I will be a f2p player until the day I decide to quit or this game closes. : )"

I've heard of angry and mean players before, but saying that you aren't willing to spend a dime on a game that you enjoy is a slap in the face to the Devs and to the game. In actuality, you are not helping fund any of the new content, you are not helping to pay the developers for their time and energy spend on the game, and you insult everyone who does help the game stay alive.

You would not be able to play Spiral Knights if everyone was like you, because there would be no money to fund it. Grow up and pay the $4 dollars for the expansion if you want to play more of the game. Of course, if you left the game it wouldn't affect anything about the game since you haven't paid to help keep it running.

If you cant (and really, we all know it's not cant, it's wont) pay 4 dollars, you shouldn't be playing the game, you should be working your butt off. Or maybe just buy one less mocha from Starbucks. Sheesh, really people?

/sad

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 14:32
#41
Dark-Flare's picture
Dark-Flare
@ Tammytryhard If you say

@ Tammytryhard
If you say Nicoya hasn't contributed to the game, then what have you done? All i've seen from you on the forums is trolling. Nicoya actually gives good advice, and has great videos as well.

@ Asukalanforum
As has been said, Steam is a great place for companies to make money. Companies' goal is to make money. OOO does this through Spiral Knights. So stop complaining about OOO charging money for certain features, that's how they make a living. If you have a job, you should understand. If you don't, then kindly shut up.

@ Everyone else about Steam
I didn't even bother to read, it looks too tedious... Point is, as Reiyu said a while back, Steam is great for gaming companies to make money. Sure it's not perfect, but if SK wants to thrive/ survive, they need to make money, and Steam is one option. If you don't like steam, you can still press the big "Play" tab at www.spiralknights.com.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 14:36
#42
Shoebox's picture
Shoebox
I hope you realise this

I hope you realise this happens every other update.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 14:36
#43
Aumir's picture
Aumir
@Ornithopt

You aren't understanding. I decided to play this game as a f2p player from beginning to end. And as a f2p player, I contribute in other ways to the game economy. If you think I am "a leech", you are misinformed or don't know much about it.

I know that if all of us were f2p players (OR p2p players) the game would fall. But that is... why this isn't like that. Don't worry, I will keep buying that CE of yours and giving you crowns.

Also, if I were to make a donation, it would be "just one more", one in a sea of donations. This game gets much love, so don't worry about that.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 16:01
#44
Dark-Flare's picture
Dark-Flare
@ Shoebox

Yup... /sigh

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 17:11
#45
Merethif's picture
Merethif
@Shoebox

@Shoebox
Lol! You're a pro.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 17:38
#46
Elrick's picture
Elrick
Steam is nice until you want

Steam is nice until you want to play on Linux and discover your account is bound to steam. Steam will be really nice when they support not only commercial OSes.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 18:25
#47
Ornithopt
@ A

"You aren't understanding. I decided to play this game as a f2p player from beginning to end. And as a f2p player, I contribute in other ways to the game economy. If you think I am "a leech", you are misinformed or don't know much about it.

I know that if all of us were f2p players (OR p2p players) the game would fall. But that is... why this isn't like that. Don't worry, I will keep buying that CE of yours and giving you crowns.

Also, if I were to make a donation, it would be "just one more", one in a sea of donations. This game gets much love, so don't worry about that."

Oh, I get it alright. Honestly, in any other F2P game they shut down the ways that let people play indefinately with no restrictions for free. Make no mistake, with enough leeches this game will die with how they are allowing things to go right now. Right now the balance may be enough to carry you and people like you, but if it attracts much more, it will definately tip the scales and fail. Because of people that refuse to give them any money at all.

Just because you "decide" to go F2P all the way doesnt entitle you to all the content in the game, or to not have to use Steam, or anything else. You have LESS say than anyone else who has made any purchase from OOO for that fact alone. No, you are not a source of revenue for OOO. Not at all. And if you really cared enough about the "donation" that you talk about, you would make the donation anyway. Instead, people complain about paying 4 dollars for an expansion... what was your "donation" going to be... 3.50? Dang, I thought I was cheap because I was dutch, but some of you guys are taking it to a whole new level.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 18:49
#48
Blitzwingoo's picture
Blitzwingoo
@Ornithopt

"I've heard of angry and mean players before, but saying that you aren't willing to spend a dime on a game that you enjoy is a slap in the face to the Devs and to the game. In actuality, you are not helping fund any of the new content, you are not helping to pay the developers for their time and energy spend on the game, and you insult everyone who does help the game stay alive."

I'm sick and tired of people defending OOO by saying they need money, they're barely breaking even, etc. I'm sure OOO is doing more than alright for itself. If OOO was going broke, they'd release more for less to temp people to give them more money.

Regardless, you see all that excess CE in on the energy market? All that CE was money....money that was paying for OOO's work making new content, not to mention all the excess CE is people's inventory that you can't see. Now to say that CE can't buy the new content is a slap in our faces. OOO either squandered all that money from the CE or they pocketed it and now is forcing us to give them more money for the Expansion Missions which we already paid for.

No the answer is not to keep throwing money at OOO, that will only cause them to build a bigger net to catch the money. The answer is to throw less money at OOO causing them to build a better net. Expressing your displeasure at them may help too.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 19:08
#49
Exileddread's picture
Exileddread
Blitz, I agree with all of

Blitz, I agree with all of your points. The sad thing is that people who are riding this train for the first time won't understand what it does to the game. What many of these people don't realize is that they're supporting this divisor in the community by forking over money to Three Rings. This means that Three Rings will keep the divisor up and keep making expansions that you must pay for in a F2P game.

The $4 are irrelevant and it bugs me when people bring this up. Also, consumer dissatisfaction does not equal rage quitting. Many great members of the community that made the community so enjoyable are leaving. I commend your efforts Blitz.

Thu, 03/01/2012 - 19:12
#50
Fehzor's picture
Fehzor
It happens every update... it

It happens every update... it didn't happen when missions first came out.

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