Ce is getting crazy expensive due to greedy people who want more crowns.
Is it really worth it CE used to cost 5400 when I started this game and now its going 7600.
Stop being greedy you are making it impossible to get ce for crowns now, its way too expensive.
If you could get all the buyers to set their buy price at 7k, you'd see the sellers drop their prices.
"CE cost should be higher."
^Truth
Edit: Sigh, I was only kidding to all the haters. This game has so much butt-hurt within its community. I used to love this game, and I'm slowly drifting for sudden rage and hate at every single thing. It's a game, so you all have to chill.
So, I'll say my actual opinion. Every new update creates a rise in CE prices for several reasons:
-Elevator Pass (less people will buy CE and do anything they want/need)
-FSC is a small reason, but it's not the major cause
-People buying the Expansion Pack with CE did raise the prices because it's thousands of energy gone
-The recipe business being ruined, people no longer make money off recipes, it makes it harder in that sense to get crowns
-There hasn't been a promo since Valentine's Day, and that promo didn't catch on as well as the Chinese New Year's dragon wings
Note... Had to post my actual opinion so people don't prejudge me on a joke. I, myself, dislike this raise entirely. I have about 30k Crowns, which could've bought me roughly 600 CE in the past, now it estimates to about 300 CE - 400 CE
Do you guys even know why this is hapening. Greed is just a part, but not the original cause.
OOO needs to make a Spiral Blog Site. This is getting Ridiculous...
CE is super cheap due to greedy people who want more CE.
Is it really worth it? CE costs actual "can buy food with them, I worked at my real job to get them" dollars.
Stop being greedy you are making it impossible for us to get a fair amount of Crowns for the CE we spent our hard-earned money on, it's way too cheap.
yup, The sad thing is that most of the 7.6k buyers are kids unaware its high, new kids that think that the computer sets the price, or 24hour addicts/high level players that can easily afford 100CE no matter what the price
Think about it... Crystal Energy is energy that comes from CRYSTALS. Crystals sure are worth a lot of money. Just pointing that out :P
I hate people who think that the CE price should be higher, and I think that they're acting self-entitled.
Think.
A new player. Potential addict and would therefore sink loads of lovley money into the game, but isn't quite willing to do that yet.
He plays a few missions, and looks at the energy price.
If these self-entitled brats who think that F2P = Make it really hard to progress without paying had their way, the new player would not be willing to carry on, due to the amount of missions needed to be played to get that many crowns, which isn't exactly easy due to the 100 energy limit and it's slow regeneration.
In all, no-one really wins.
That's the problem with F2P games.
People who paid act like they are entitled to make things worse for free players.
Just my opinion.
Gotta love throwing around the greed word. Especially when all you want is selfish things for yourself instead of someone else. I'm not going to get into the F2P vs P2P debate, but it gets me mad when people cry because they feel entitled to something they did nothing to earn. Price of CE is rising not because someone is wishing it to go higher, but because there are more people buying CE at these prices then those willing to sell CE.
And you can easily get CE for CR. Just do 3xRise or Fall (assuming you aren't skilled enough to do T3 missions) and you'll earn ~9.5kcr + mats for for 90ce. Sounds like a decent profit to me. When I started CE was over 7kcr, before the Sega promo CE was over 7kcr and it is over 7kcr now. Each time I played my 100me a day and turned it into CE just fine. If I wanted to play more I played at a much lower profit margin but I didn't cry because I was playing a game for free.
@Mechnexus
I believe most of the time, and I know in my case, when people are saying CE prices should be higher, it's only in response to F2P'ers complaining that they can't get 1kCE for ten Crowns. The problem is entitlement, but the entitlement is with the F2P'ers who think they have a right to have CE sold to them at a price they dictate. That's not how it works. Nearly every unit of CE in the game was brought in through a real-money transaction. Someone paid for it, somewhere and sometime. If they decide they want to sell it at a higher price, that is their right. The F2P'ers have shown they are more than willing to pay the current prices. The market will decide the prices, not entitled F2P'ers or entitled P2P'ers.
I'm now going to throw a bit of (probably terrible) maths into this.
T1 player.
Would run snarbolax quite a lot for money, which on average gives you 1K if you don't sell the materials.
At the 4K per 100 CE that I remember, this would take just over one day at T1, provided you do not die or go on any other mission.
At the current 7K, this would take 7 runs, and 210 mist energy. Just over two days, once again provided that you do not die or go on any other mission.
6K should be the lowest that CE would be at. 8K at the highest.
@Mechnexus - you do not need CE as a T1 player to proceed to T2. Yea, you aren't going to be able to play unlimited time, but it only takes a few days to get the gear you need to proceed to T2. Ignoring the missions giving you free gear you can buy a complete T2 setup for ~5kcr on the AH.
Apparently, you've never heard of the term "saving up." When you don't have the 25kCR to buy a 5* recipe, you don't scream about how recipes should be cheaper. You save up until you have 25kCR. Also, with the mission system, they'll now more than likely be working harder at gearing up for T2, since the missions push them that way anyways.
i mean seriously.7k+ for 100 ce?thats outrageous!!! call me a ce radical or something else,i dont care,but i think 5.5k-6.5k should be enough.these 7k+ prices are making it even harder for us f2p to play than it already was!its because of these prices and other small issues(compared to this one) that people are leaving the game.and when too many people leave,the game becomes empty,which would in turn away any possible new players.and then when the game becomes empty,OOO may abandon it.this has happened to games before.(Spore by EA/Maxis for example) the ce prices either need to go down,or the fsc mission payout needs to be nerfed.(could rage about the fsc mission causing the clockworks to be abandoned,but i wont.)either way,if something doesnt change,things will only get worse.
I'm just gonna copy paste what Trying said.
"It was a crisis back when it hit 4kcr per 100CE"
Oh my, this game seems to have stayed afloat.
And that's what I'm talking about when I say that F2P'ers think they have a right to buy CE at an arbitrary price they dictate. Three Rings doesn't control the market (not directly, anyways), it's player-driven. Not "player-driven" in the sense that one or a few players can adjust the market to their whims (such changes usually only last for a short time), but player-driven in the sense that all the buyers in competition with each other have what they're willing to pay for CE, and all the sellers in competition with each other have what they're willing to take for their CE.
perhaps we should go necro those OMG CE PRICES ARE 4k!!! threads
@mag
That lets even a T1 easily get CE when they don't need it that much.
6-8K is fine.
@mech
They dont need it that much?letting a T1 get ce helps them start off.theyll learn to use the ce to craft recipes and use the cr they get for recipes,helping them advance into a state where they learn to easily last through the game and are then able to figure out which missions/levels give out the most payout so they can afford the ce when the price does rises and lowers,helping them to build themselves up.and 5-6.5k cr isnt exactly the easiest for a new player.the only tier 1 startum that gives any relatively good payout is snarby,and he only gives 1-3k.and when they get that cr,they usually go and explore the AH trying to get their hands on what they can buy.cr goes by fast.
and @eldibs
you mean like how P2p'ers think they have the right to raise the price of ce however they see fit and usually just end up hurting the f2p by making it harder for them to craft new recipes and rise up in the game?
You want my opinion? I say screw everyone, this happens all the time, and break the 10k barrier.
Here's all my thoughts in one post:
http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/45721
And for CE, I don't care either. This rage is gonna happen, you people are never satisfied.
How about we keep it at 6k? alright im fine with that, plus it adds into the CROWN inflation which directly affects every other market, as people now can get "double" what its worth. So basically it crashes the economy either way, so long as people make more than 3k profit from each CE <--> CR exchanges.
Have fun knowing this game will be eternally different in its playstyle than what apparently too many people are used to, and that I love it that way.
Xylka-Mkii, I love you. You know that, right?
A CE rage thread, is a CE rage thread.
It doesn't matter who's posting, its all the same thing anyway.
@Xylka
now that i think about it,youre absolutely right.especially with what you said in that thread.and keeping the ce price at 6k?perfect price.
6k for CE results in everyone having a decent price to pay.
And if any inflation occurs then, it makes all the other markets burn instead, so we're forced to watch what we do regardless that way.
No one can be held accountable for greed or what not, since getting crowns to continue, would at the same time make it harder for everyone.
F2P = P2P then and everyone can scream as much as they want, but they will have to do something themselves.
May I just direct everyones attention to the first few psots in this thread
What did you say? I couldn't hear you over the sound of all the crowns I'm picking up to trade for CE in the new mission FSC.
@demonic
and your point is....?that was before some major changes were implemented.
EDIT:@ fehzor
.......ironic,since the fsc mission is the cause of the ce prices and the downfall of the clockworks......
I said this to people still raging at this moment about the CE/P2P vs F2P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=aDEdKzAZgko#t=23s
Major changes like? My point was, people's thoughts then was the same as yours. It's not like OOO added fsc to appeal to people suffering from the 4k ce prices. That this game is going to go to the gutter because everyone is leaving.
I think I have a unique position on this issue because I have two friends that made their knights yesterday. Now as of this moment, both of my friends have beaten or are about to beat the 3-2 Snarbolox mission, but their saving grace in doing this by their second day has been that my brother has an elevator pass and spotted them his mist energy on the missions.
100 mist energy is a fine number. It's not to low or to high, but the real problem with it is that tier 1 gates cost 10 energy. Let's look at my nice bullet points:
1. Their are only 6 floors in tier 1 arcade.
2. New players are encouraged by the game do the missions the abandoned depot and crossing the chasm, which cost 15 energy to do both.
3. So a new player would enter haven with 85 energy, which is quite an odd number because they can only do 8 floors on their first day. (which is either one arcade run and one two floor mission or the first four clockworks missions, which doesn't get them to far on their first day.)
4. New players get a mist tank, but since they don't have any CE, they usually can't 0 out their mist to get the full 100 mist out of it.
I remember when I was a new player. You'd start playing spiral knights and bam, out of energy with nothing to do. I wish OOO let newbies play a little bit more before they hit them with the out of energy pay wall because when I was a newbie I enjoyed SK, but you don't have a guild or friends yet and your still walking around in the proto suit. You don't feel any commitment to the game yet, but your asked to engage into a micro-transaction right off the start. I myself was not sure that paying was the way to go at this point and I didn't make any real money transactions till I was well into tier 2 and had 4* gear. Of course the only reason I was able to get 4* gear while being a F2Per was because I started playing at around steam release, when CE prices were low enough for me to finance myself with snarbolox and later jelly king runs. I feel pretty bad for my new friends because they'll be in a constant tug of war on their energy and crowns due to the profitable missions being deeper in tier 2 (and how the new high CE prices are really eroding that missions profitability anyway) or in tier 3. They also have to constantly upgrade their gear to progress past hall of heroes missions.
I feel the best fix from OOO would simply to make lower tier elevators cost less. Let's say 5 energy in tier 1 and 8 energy in tier 2. Another solution would be to let new knights have mist energy over the 100 ME cap, say they started with 200 or 250 or 300 me and it didn't start regenerating until after they got below 100.
I just noticed...
@Magnicth
P2P'ers have the right to charge whatever they want for their CE. They were not given that CE, it is a product they purchased and have decided to resell to you (and other F2P'ers) for a different form of currency. If they choose not to sell it at some arbitrary price point someone else decides, that's their right. If you buy 3.5kCE in the Energy Depot, I have no right to make you sell it to me for less than you want to sell it for. It's just like any other commodity in the game. Costume armor, accessories, Iron Lockboxes, UV'ed items, etc... if you have it, and don't want to sell it for less than a certain amount, nobody can make you do so.
I dont understand greed at all:
Players with Ce: They are considered greedy since they want to get the most out of their dollar. <--- Well I guess that is greedy...
Players who use Crowns to buy Ce: Want to get Ce for the lowest price possible so they don't have to spend a dime. <--- well I guess that is greedy as well...
Hmm with that said I guess both sides are greedy.
@Njthug
i see what you mean.what we need to do is find a healthy medium that isnt too expensive,but isnt too cheap.either way,there will always be them protesters out there wanting the prices to be sky high or dirt cheap.
And this is why the unregulated free market doesn't work
CE cost should be higher.