WOOT! POISON RESISTANCE!
too late... got killed by a toxilargo....

Why do you want all bomber armors to stay elemental? Being a bomber is fun as hell but it's quite unforgiving with the lack of other specialized defense, especially shadow (devilites, kats, howlitzers).

What About the Chroma Series?!!!!! Any buff to US? :(

shadowsun is the only good armor in PVP vs toothpickers and now they're changing it? what is this madness?

Justifier is still piercing, use that for lockdown.
I need to craft a Gran Faust for LD, just to knock up some Shadowsun users.

And add more HP for Drake shield line, thing breaks much too quickly anywhere.

Edit: Got either Volt Driver, or Sentenza for Skolver

ive been thinking about ancient plate items and their uses since yesterday, when i saw this thread, and i agree that the ancient plate set needs a buff

it used to be okay outside of t1, when gremlins and trojans had full normal dmg, but that isnt the case anymore

and luckily som1 bumped a thread with this post, which shows that u guys value movement speed increase
hence ancient plate set should have something to compensate for the movement speed decrease or at least get rid of it(which wont make the armor all that much more charming outside of t1 imo, but its a buff)

the health bonus could make up for the loss of speed if it wasnt for the lack of a whole defense type

in graveyards i used to mix up ancient plate pieces with divine pieces and shadow defense trinkets, but thats only viable, if i dont have a diversity of normal defense armors available, which are the more common types of armors. also, unlike trojans and gremlins(both monsters even have shields!), zombies are particularly easy to deal with

@Gonkor

Your kidding right? Wolver sets are the most overused armor out there right now.

What some people don't realize is that swordsmen are probably the most catered for player class out there, seeing as it's the easiest to use/most common.

Typically speaking, not saying anything about other classes/users.

So not knowing this, when they don't see changes for swordsmen, they think swordsmen are being neglected.

+1 for changes.

I'm a Hybrid, but mainly swordsman. So don't give me grief for 'hatin' on swordies.

finally gunners have been heard

especially the shadowsun and deadshot, fire resist on nameless would of been better but its still good.

Hi Nick, with the name shadowsun stetson, What everybody think as the defense is shadow, always to be this way, but it wasnt, was piercing defence, many players, i mean, lockdown players make his set whit this armor because his piercing defences (It is like the skolver sets but of a gunner, the only armor for gunner capable of face to face a skolver set in PVP) and pay much money (me to) to get a good Uvs. I think this bring a unbalanced in the game, because all will be using skolvers set in pvp righ now, more than already has.

I am glad to see many buffers on many sets, like removing negative status and adding bonuses, all it is righs but changing type defences are big words, it is like changing the piercing defence of the skolver set for shadow, they change all usefull of the armor, my shadowsun stetson now will be useles for LD, I dont like this, allready Deadshot Chapeau has shadow defences it is not necesary make another, hope dont make reality.

Sorry my english i Speak Spanish Hope You understand bye bye.

It's normal for the SHADOWsun to have SHADOW defence. And is not like changing skolver set to shadow defence. Yes they both have damage bonus, but i think that it's better this way. Now they are two shadow sets, but before they were two piercing sets.

Making it stay piercing just for LD is a waste.

i think that in the situation of katamoon, one should have the choice of converting their shadowsun set, into a justifier set. giving them the piercig defence they worked for

but im all for the chages

I am glad players are excited about set changes. Seems the gunfighter shirt really needed some help.

I, for one, will be glad to see buff to Skelly. That thing is a drag in any type of fire, but a good set otherwise.

And coming soon, a bunch of weapon balance changes as well! -Nick

I say +/- 1 to this. Overall, this game is not that hard.

*edit and the weapon changes may be in the intrest of PvP, however my stance is that PvP, in general, should be secondary to Clockworks.

That is all.

Yay hope there are good weapon changes

+1 w00t!

lockdown is kinda permanently screwed XD if anything it needs a complete revamp ..

but im kinda dissapointed the plate series isnt getting a buff

Glad to see some armor changes but i just have 2 requests.

1. Buff Bombastic some more. Still isn't worth it.
2. Make Justifier and Nameless bonuses different from each other.

Shadowsun:
- shadow defense
- poison resistance
- Handgun damage bonus

Deadshot:
- shadow defense
- curse resistance
- Handgun attack speed
- Damage bonus vs Undead

My question is: What would be the purpose (in regular PvE) of those two sets? Shadowsun seems like a better choice in every situation.

1. Handgun attack speed that comes with Deadshot is not that important, (handguns like AP or Polaris aren't particularly slow, and Alchemers are made for charged attack). I'd rather keep damage bonus to all even on Haunted Passage/Concrete Jungle (silkwinks, toxigels, random danger rooms).

2. Poison resistance is better then Curse resistance by far (BTW, does Phantoms still cause Curse? I haven't been cursed since Beta). Poison is useful in Concrete Jungle and all Undead/Fiendish Wasteworks. Curse is useful... nowhere (maybe except Shadow Lair version of Firestorm Citadel, but this is not regular PvE).

So is there any situation/handgun/loadout/level that would make Deadshot more viable then Shadowsun?
Unless Deadshot is meant to be set for Grand Faust users it seems a bit obsolete.

Maybe Deadshot could be granted Handgun CTR instead of Handgun ASI - combine with Nova Driver it might make ultimate Undead Bane loadout.

From the looks of it, deadshot is better for graveyards, UFSC, non-poison candlestick, and I'm a bit reluctant to say scarlet fortress. The difference is that any class can still get the undead med and just use the ASI for a gun sidearm. And Phantoms do, in fact, still curse.

Allow me to reiterate a bit on what I said about the Bombastic suit, as well as add a few extra comments about the other forthcoming changes.

I've already mentioned the fact that Bombastic should be the other spectrum of Mad and the opposite of Volc: very high dmg in exchange for CTR. But here's another, more important thing to think about: not DPS, but customization. Looking at Volcanic, you can, with some effort go grab two Elite Boom modules and slap them, and voila, you kinda have a Mad bomber suit with no drawbacks and added defense buffs; with the Mad, you can choose to Max out your damage, or simply place other modules to diversify yourself in other areas (I.E. elite Slash modules or heart trinkets), albiet at the cost of being more fragile. The bombastic, on the other hand, currently, irregardless of the new status resist, will have very little bomb applicable options; in fact, most bomb custimization options just aren't on par at all with the other two suits. The best you can do over the other two suits is max out the damage, but otherwise you can't match the the Volcanic itself for Max CTR and high damage. That, or just keep with the med damage and work with other trinkets, which, in fairness, is kinda of a weak option.

In other words, Bombastic needs to be able shine with a certain strength while still being just as customizable as the other two, irregardless of DPS. It should be an options bombers should have for, well, their bombs, and not just protection. I'm pretty sure your aware how the wider options tends to make the overall player, and bomber, group happier.

Now having said that, let's look at the other changes being brought:

Magic cloak and Gray feather cowl: The removal of the stun weakness is certainly handy and may attract more players. however, bare in mind that this is mainly a defensive armor for elemental damage; I recall hearing that sometimes the damage resist isn't enough to make up for the lack of specialization. And strangely, despite being designed for elemental resistance, the 5* armor doesn't quite max out, which, for an armor primarily used for resistance of elemental damage, should have. then again, the status resist may make up for that. As is, I can't tell from experiance since I haven't used the series much.

Drake scale series: seems pretty good to have that, and would probably give it a wider field of options

Skelly: fire resist was almost always the key turnings points for me not wanting it in FSC.

Chaos cloak: Again, definitely giving this armor a better array of options and viability.

Justifier and Nameless: Like the others said, stun resist with pierce seems odd. Granted, it's handy in a pinch when you want to escape the next lumbar attack if you were unlucky enough to get hit by one, but it has far more synergy with elemental resistance. I can see why you made Justifier stun resist, keeping with the artistic theme, so perhaps swapping the armors' elemental and pierce resistances. Just through that out.

Shadow Sun and Deadshot: I've not a gunner, but this looks to be in the right direction.

Lastly, in regards to the weapon changes, I REALLY do hope you adjust the Winmillion. It's got a lot of potential, but it's just needs more viability. Same goes for the other blast bomb variants.

@Dirty-Harry
"When I first saw this change I thought the complete opposite."

I guess everything is all right then - if two players have opposite views it means gear is balanced ;-D

I know hadnguns ASI is important (I have both Nameless and Justifier sets), but when thinking shadow I see hordes of greavers/devilites and damage bonus very hight might make a difference between life and death because no matter how fast I am, greavers and devilites are faster ;-)

Anyway I haven't got nor Deathshot nor Shadowsun yet, and I was just wondering which would be better to craft first. Scarlet Fortress and Graveyards are easily doable in non-shadow armour, and I never use sword against undead, so I'll probably go for Shadowsun as a must-have gear for fiendish levels.

@Rawrcake
I also noticed that you said Alchemers are only for their charge attacks... an Alchemer offers more mobility + survivability on normal attacks. You have to know when to use both.

Yea, I'll probably use both ways equally now when I think of it. Charges are more spectacular so I probably got "the feeling" that I use them more often then regular shots. Plus I don't use charge on some other guns (Valiance, Callahan) so probably that's why Alchemers seemed to me like must-do-the-charge. But of course you're right.

@Dirty-Harry I highly doubt that the devs will give deadshot anything more then a low asi bonus.

Changing Justifier from ASI to Gun Damage = problem solved. Every wolver set will have an analogous gunslinger set.