It's easier to hate than to admit they cant find a way to counter you (because they are too _____)

Pretty much what Ndogten and Guardianknight said. I acknowledge driver/blaster gunners' skill such as Big-hondo and Thisnameistaken (I think that's his name, it's something along those lines). I don't really think gunners who primarily utilize polaris as a means of defending capture points from the enemy are skilled at all. In fact, I don't even think I could truly call them gunners. What makes them any different from swordsmen who spam polaris?

Anyway, ignore the haters. They are just raged since they don't have the capacity to figure out how to deal with gunners.

Gunner in LD = forever alone
/hug Saidxp

You were on the right track with the name.
I believe it's Thisnameisinuse:)

It happens, if they start complaining just tell them if they put away their toothpicks you'll put away the kilowatt. But mainly they can't figure out the counter to gunners and are mad, so they take out their anger on you. Like others said, just ignore it.

I don't spam from a distance either. Charge, walk up to them, release point blank, and retreat from the horde.

But seriously, this debate is pointless. Swordsman and bombers do the brunt of the work, gunners just sit and fire. I spent a week as a gunner, NO challenge whatsoever. Just, pew pew pew.

Play to your strengths and ignore the complaints. Everyone has their way of dealing damages in LD, and raging and hating against Kilowatt spammers can be expected from Flourish/Snarble Barb striker spammers. I'd actually enjoyed playing with and against gunners (and bombers) more than swordies, as they provide more variety of weapons and tactics in a sea of Wolver striker clones. And believe me, when you play like 10 games in a row, being mowed down by sticks can get pretty old and frustrating.

I know I too rage against these clones, but if that's the poison that they choose, then heck, go all out on it. In the end, winning a match is more important than bowing down to pressure from strangers, on the Internet no less. I choose to abstain from using them as my own poison cocktail.

BTW, your gunning skills is good, Fallconn. Maybe that's the REAL reason why they cuss at you. I say spam them even more to make your point! X3

Fallconn wrote:
"recently made a bunch of gunner stuff for T2 LD"

Good gunners in clockworks are darn useful and a godsend, nuff said.

Someone has to revive you sorry excuses for Knights when you get your butt handed to you by Devilites.

Might as well be the guy not getting hit.

Isn't one big part of the game about NOT being hit in the first place? Plus, I find Brandish swordsmen doing the shoot and run tactic almost the same as shooting, but a bit slower? What kind of courageous hit and run is that? Personally, spamming bullets does not save me from being mauled by strike squads or other gunners. I remember an old-school Antigua vs. Antigua shoot out in Lockdown until it got broken up by Vog Striker gangs. It was a cool sight as I was lying on the ground, Avenger out, on the floor, noticing I got ripped apart by Sentenzas. By the way, the Vog Strikers got outspammed by Polaris, and Polaris by Gran Fausts.

Why do we have people who hate on other classes JUST FOR BEING THE OTHER F*** CLASS!?

It's a GUNNER. If someone LIKED GUNS, but DIDN'T like SWORDS/BOMBS etc, then WHAT ELSE do you expect them to use!?

Gunners are probably one of the more useful tactical classes. Like bombers, they can kite enemies and keep them distracted for you, or hit switches you'd otherwise need a pot for, clear blocked paths faster etc.

If I wanted to hate on any weapon class, that'd be simple.

Swords:
All you have to do is either spam the attack button or charge spam. You don't really have to think when you attack, just do. RUn in there and smash everything, that's what swords are good for.

Bomb:
Drop a bomb, run away, rinse and repeat yaddayadda need I say more?

Guns:
Pewpewpew, fir all ya lazors, you don't even need to get close to your opponent how simple and cheaty is it to use these?

(I'm not serious here btw, just what I think I would say if I was a hater)

Seriously, WTF. All weapon classes are good at their own thing in their own way. Hating on ANYONE/THING is being unfair to both the person and the tool you speak of, because they're used in their own way.

Happyapathy is a gunner, and a friend of mine. As far as I know, he uses nothing BUT guns. He isn't 'cowardly' with his guns like you say gunners can be, but he's pulled my butt out of the fire enough times for me to acknowledge the dude has skill. I don't see what's the problem even if he went a distance away and spammed his Strike Needle (or was it Blitz? I wasn't paying attention. Sorry Haps). It's the safer way to go.

Damien, your argument makes no sense. You say you dislike players who don't get up close and personal with a sword or a bomb, yet you're not even doing that. Charge spamming, even at close range doesn't count. You're there for a moment, then you're not, having done what you need to. You play safe, dealing your damage then GTFOing before they can hit you and repeating. I should know, I've don't that with my Calibur since waybackwhen, although I do use combos now for more strategic effectiveness.

"But seriously, this debate is pointless. Swordsman and bombers do the brunt of the work, gunners just sit and fire. I spent a week as a gunner, NO challenge whatsoever. Just, pew pew pew."

It's a freaking GUN. If Sk made guns powerful enough to do high damage equal to swords or bombs, then guns would be the most OP weapon in SK history.

You get DISTANCE in exchange for POWER. Pretty fair tradeoff if you ask me.

TL;DR: You call gunners cowardly for going for range, yet charge spamming is just as 'cowardly' for swordies no matter how you use it. Ask anyone. It's a safer way to play, an effective way to play and if it works GO FOR EET.

~Psychodestroyer. I'm a Hybrid player, using any of Swords guns or bombs at any one time. I rarely pack two of the same weapon class for versitility of damage and strategic effectiveness.

TL;DR: Hate on a weapon class, I MAD.

@Falconn
No need to feel that bad about people making fun of you. Don't think that EVERYONE is hating gunners. Remember that someone is out there cheering on you. Do not be let down by others, continue to work on what you like best! :)

And for anyone who still wants to talk about which weapon class is more superior and which is lame and "cowardly", then please stop. Every weapon is there for a reason, every class has its own advantages and disadvantages (ok I know that you already know is fact, but have you ever ADMITTED it?) You may find yourself disliking a weapon class, that's just simply because you are not meant to use it yourself. So don't go hating people who are using the weapons you hate. If you really find someone not performing well, then encourage him to practice, don't insult him on his weapon of choice.

By right, every knight has to co-operate with each other, that goes the same for each weapon class. Think about what would happen when there is only one weapon class in the game. It may be nice enough, but you will definitely feel that something is missing.

So, swordsman, continue to sharpen up your sword-swinging skills; gunslingers, don't stop improving your marksmanship; bombers, be bold and blast on!

I agree with Damienfoxy.

Gunners suck.
Especially the sucky ones. They shoot three polaris shots which are easy to dodge and kill me. I just walk right into it and die.

No skill kills.

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I keed. I keed.

Lol at branidsh charge

Since this is about LD...

I play guardian. As such, it is impossible for me to do anything to them, since I'm slow as sin and always visible. I just have to tank it out and pray some other guy can come along and swat the fly. Counter gunning as guard never works either; just opens you up to getting more bullets in the face.

At the very least, the gunner isn't screwing with anyone else if he's screwing with me, though counterattacking becomes impossible if anyone else from the other team shows up. Gunner will just constantly interrupt and the new guy will kill me. D:

@ #29 I gun and a fair few guardians can counter me so that's untrue. L2LD

Yeah, with what Metagenic said, this game is more of a PvE oriented game.

And, wierd it feels like I said this somewhere else, our PvE content is hung infront of us like a carrot on a stick with shadow keys.

There are gunners in LD? I thought everyone wore fur coats and waved toothpicks around.

Another reason to hate gunners in LD, they distract other players from capping. You will often see a gunner pull 2-3 players off a point as they wildly swing at the air where the gunner used to be.

The simplest way to explain all the hate for all gunner that we are seeing more and more is the Dev have finally given the gunners a well deserved buffs to armour and guns alike. So now we are a serious threat on the battle field and sword clones hate this. No more are we some annoying bug that slowly chips at your health we now can and will kill you one on one. Some times in two or three shots if the right gun is used for the corresponding armour .

people who [tart] at gunner have ever been totally destroyed by one in LD or have only come agents polaris spammer which are not even gunner most or the time as all sword user carry a polaris with then as do i for good reason there fantastic at doing their job.
I've been a gun for over a year now and I'm a pretty good one i own every gun that is worth having i can solo all this game has to offer apart from shadow runs but not many people can.

i find if you have the right guns for the job you can kill pretty much anyone regardless of their skill level. My LD gun load-out consist of polaris, callahan, unbra driver and sentenza some time its switched out for a argent peacemaker if i need elemental damage more than shadow.

Each gun has its own role to play in LD and if used correctly can be deadly effective.

the polaris main use is simple to hit multiple targets at once so if the entire team decide to sit on one capture point you can bet your ass i will be shooting at that capture point.

the callahans has many uses. One of those is to take half of someone health of in one shot especially when there are your team mates about this is a very effective way to kill someone. Another use i have found for this gun is hunting out recons as it will lock-on to them and brake there cloak making them flee. But i mostly use it as a gun i can quickly switch to after someone has been shocked from a polaris bombardment, as if you have ever played a guardian who is shocked that is a death scents and the callahan can deal this out quickly.

the sentenza or argent peacemaker come into play when players are fleeing as it's range is loads longer than any other gun you carry and great for take that fine 2-3 blip of a fleeing player.

And finally the unbra driver is used as a quick firing shadow damaging gun as most players not all have piercing def armour so with this gun you will do so much damage that most will take massive damage from this gun and all you have to do is kite then and shoot when they miss with their sward swings and rinse and repeat untill dead.

People can hate you because you are annoying or you own them in all ways and they are jeleous of your skill.

Neodasus, you're such a perfect example of a close minded swordie.

if you think polaris spam is cheating and being a coward then FF and BTB should be treated this way too.

Another reason to hate gunners in LD, they distract other players from capping. You will often see a gunner pull 2-3 players off a point as they wildly swing at the air where the gunner used to be.

So you're mad at gunners for using good tactics that your teammates fall for.