-Use the electron vortex instead - the shock sometimes keeps them in the same place, meaning you can charge not just once, but TWICE on the same group of monsters! Also, it's way better in lockdown due to shock. You don't use this bomb line for damage, anyway. People used to use Graviton Vortex in FSC.

-The interesting thing about Vortex is that you honestly don't need any CTR bonus (other than the lvl 10) in order to chain them together, but all you need is one or two adjacent vortex chains to get an absolutely satisfying charge attack from your weapon of choice.

-While ASI is better for the Triglav (triglav has status on 2nd swing, sudaruska does NOT), it's still a valid tactic for that sword, even without CTR. The timing is just a ton tighter with no CTR.

-I have proudly pulled off the SudaVortex combo in Lockdown. Unfortunately, the normal damage (even with VH attack) is not ... the best damage output. It's absolutely satisfying when it works, but it's not something you can use to take down a heart-trinket user in one shot.

shock and freeze will stack but shock damage will break the freeze status. your build sounds good. Maybe you can try the hail driver and storm driver instead of using the supernova. they inflict their statuses frequently and can offer good dps.

corrionos i wasn't pushing for dps, i was just offering you a suggestion to use the storm/hail instead because they inflict their statuses frequently. and don't use a neutralizer for the knockback, it's fairly random. And if you are going to use a catalyzer line, a biohazard would be better as support because it can poison.

At least for FSC, I find Electron Vortex by itself does a much better job of getting everything dead faster, and shivermist as one of the worst. I'll explain the situations I see later, but there's one thing I'd like a graviton user to confirm:

Can you chain (specifically) graviton vortex adjacent to each other and move while 'pulling' all the monsters with you?

I agree with the above, the electron will generally be better than the graviton vortex; the shock will prevent the monsters from spewing all over the place, so that you can keep them in a tight controlled group which you can either SUDA SMAASH or chain with another vortex. Otherwise, KEWL LOADOUT!!!!

Yeah, the video didn't really have a good chain on display, but I what I meant by chaining was just that - you use vortex immediately next to another vortex.

For the Electron Vortex, the shock will keep them in place, but as soon as the shock animation ends, they'll be drawn into the newer vortex. I don't know if Graviton can do that.

As far as Vortex vs Shiver, I see this all too often:
> I use Vortex
> Other guy uses Shiver
> Half the monsters are frozen in the middle, other half are spread out.
> Other guy continues to use shiver while people start having to keep hitting individual monsters.
> I try to pull with vortex, but shiver stops them from moving.

...when it could have been over in so much less time if it was just this:
> I use vortex
> Monsters pulled together while everyone attacks
> I use vortex
> Monsters stay together while everyone attacks

I really don't like ice bombs for anything except for holding back trojans, slag guards, and vanaduke.

@Seiran: I heard that shiver is also good for holding fiends still, does that sound like another good use for one to you?