Being a bomber for all my days since lockdown began, I've been worried when the days that some rich player could destroy my statuses (like edzel)

Now i can expect to see all the skolvers to be running around with double max for shock and stun and soon bombers will only be a thing of the past

Call me a pessimist, but the days of bombers having a thing called area denial are numbered.

-Proto Out-

UVs are overrated.

LD is unbalanced.

Wait, stratch that.

LD has COMPLETELY TOPPLED OVER.

Not as if Wolver line clones with heart trinkets, toothpicks, striker, damage bonuses, speed bonuses, and the whatnot weren't bad enough... Now they can get the ultimate protection against all that is useful agaisnt them.

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Most weapons only take advantage of one uv (asi for SS/Flourish/drivers, CTR for brandish) armors with multiple status resist are nice (ice queen set with max shock, the cheap formula to have stagger/vt/shiver resist and high pierce defence), but again is matter of knowing how to play.

So... if I run flourish with vh damage...

What's different about fighting someone with max pierce vs max pierce, shock & shadow?

I can't... shock him with my shocking toothpick?

At the end of the day, the "Super" UV's will hardly make a difference.

Example 1:
Voltedge ctr vh. Currently someone who plays with this well will shock someone with the charge and the swipe at them while they are immobile, killing them.
Having ASI VH ontop of it will only let them kill them... faster. But the death is still more or less secured. The skill was in getting that charge off.

Example 2:
Someone who has max shock will be able to invade a bomber's VT radius and kill him. Having max pierce at the same time... won't matter much since that bomber would have been dead. Whether the striker has max shock, or max shock + others matters not to the bomber since he would have to deal with the same person in the same way.

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Really it'll give a slight advantage (the person won't have to swap out to different loadouts as much to deal with different things) but it won't be game changing.
If that person can't weave for anything, they'll die, whether it takes 4 or 6 hits.
Someone is not going to go from 5k damage to 20k damage consistently.

Now, I'm only talking skolver-striker, because that's where all the richer players seem to play. But regardless of what you play, if you're trying to deal with them, it won't change your approach by much.

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The above examples are of the few I can actually think where multi-uv's will come in handy for lockdown. Brandishes, DA's and armor. But the result is minimal.

On the other hand, PvE will be far easier with someone with good multi-UV because they can drop weapon trinkets and wear heart trinkets for that extra health.
Shields - Do I even need to explain?
Weapons - the combintations are endess. But for instance: Brandishes & DA - Undead, ctr & asi for fsc? Blitz needle with some asi to speed it up, etc.
Armors - less so than the above, but still useful, I suppose for SL, but ppl have survived fine without it.

The 1% and getting that first max UV
Eh, 1% is 1%.

Speaking of "the 1%", I was looking at some of the 'ohnoez im quitting' threads that have popped up, and honestly, I've never heard of them, and if I have, I have never even seen them in-game. They're all actually irrelevant and unimportant to me.

This patch helps cater to the [few] extra-rich people who aren't godly-geared yet. It makes it safer to TRY for ADDITIONAL UV's by providing a path to "building up" their gear:
- roll a single UV until desired max UV
- lock that one and roll 2/3 UV

...but the patch doesn't affect their ability to get that first max UV. at all.
They'll still have to keep throwing money away rolling for those 2nd and 3rd UV's.

Skill, Bombers
I'd still be more afraid of a skilled player running in mining helmet and fencing jacket than I would be of a maxUVblah Skolver/Snarbolax. Some status bombers may be set up to be 'screwed over' by some max-UV assassin, but does it really change anything?

It should be obvious that the main "denial" bomb is Voltaic Tempest - the shock bomb, so the main max-UV assassin armor is max shock. Does the patch affect the chance of people having a max-shock UV? NOT AT ALL. People can still roll (unsuccessfully) to get max-shock UV, and honestly, they're still FAR from common.

Skill aside and just talking about armor stats, what's more dangerous to you if you're spamming shock bombs: 3 people with only max UV against shock, or 1 person with max UV against shock, stun, and freeze? The 3 people. Does this patch increase the chance of that? Nope.

On the flip side, the upcoming charge patch will likely make bombers a prime target anyway. This would theoretically encourage teams not just to work together to kill bombers, but also to defend their own bombers.
Let's not forget that, area denial aside, one of the most dangerous bombs in the hands of a skilled bomber is RSS, and you'll be hard-pressed to find that max-shock UV stop that bomber from hitting 12k damage lol.

UVs can make a large difference in LD.
Now that charges cant be lost upon fully charged, and people can roll MAX UVs easily, bombers wearing..........lets say Mad Bomber set with triple MAX UVs, and have CTR VH on all bombs, and is wearing 2 heart trinkets, and has striker boost, can be very very devastating.
Just imagine someone zipping around dropping bombs like mad, and theres no way of stopping them........ :(

mad bomber is a poor example for a few reasons:

- status weaknesses negate any good status uv's
- You get CTR on the armor. This makes getting CTR on the bombs redundant. With no uv left to get on the bomb, it fails the "rich" test of our theory crafting

Maybe you meant bombastic.

But still at the end of the day.

Let's say you have ctr vh uv on each bomb + Bombastic + 1 max UV on each armor piece.
How will the gameplay differ with 4 extra max uv's on the armors...? More def against.....? I guess you could move into an enemies VT and bomb them out. Or their haze... or take an extra hit from a skolver. But this isn't game changing.

The UV stacking really won't change much for lockdown.

@ Jaroche

Good point, didn't put striker + mad bomber together.

Meh... I really don't care to be honest.

People already pour millions into getting only one set of max UVs. Getting double is over twice as expensive, and triple is even more so. Guess what? Punch doesn't take CE.

So two things: Those who want good double/triple UV gear, they will need to use millions upon millions of crowns. If/when they do use millions upon millions of crowns for the UVs, they are pouring CE into the market. CE into the market = lower CE price. Last I checked, the CE price was at 6100 (market tab). It was about 6800 crowns this morning.

I was on a break from Spiral Knights when Lockdown first came out, so I missed that bit about shivermist being the go-to denial bomb.

As of now, however, it's nearly non-existent, and the most common status bomb I see used as a wall is VT - if the bomber has someone to defend them, it's basically death for you if you get shocked.

anyway, and not related,

UV's will not protect any strikers from my vortex trolling.

Lockdown isn't serious enough for this to matter that much.

This game has always been Pay to win.

@Traevelliath
you forgot the /thread at the end of you're post. But there are a few things I want to address, particularly from a bombers perspective (T2 LD).

First off, bomber strikers are NOT useless if you negate the CTI VH. Get yourself a CTR VH UV and a couple trinkets plus bomber gear, you got yourself Max Damage, Max CTR, Max Mobility. No you can easily weave out of the clutches of your enemy while dropping shards along the way.

Secondly, Max UV can screw you over. Max Stun Max Shock and Max Elemental = You done. Shards (T2) wont do crap due to the Elemental and piercing combo, and both Shock and Haze are useless. That leaves you only with a blast bomb or perhaps the Spine cone line which, without damage trinkets,are useless. Not to mention is they enemy has ASI max you will NOT be able to charge you bomb again.

Finally i'd like to re-emphasize Traevelliath's post. It really wont be such a big problem. I doubt you'll ever have more than 1 or 2 people with Max Uv in a single game. Its just too expensive.

I'm a little to lazy to fix the grammer right now. Maybe later. Sorry.

I actually do not see this effecting Lockdown all that much. As stated in another post most weapons only benefit from one UV per line: CTR for Bombs, Brandish, and FoV. ASI for Guns, FF/BTB, Hammer, and GF/DA.

For armor you could get lucky with rolls and give your already very nice armor an extra status resist for 150k (helm and armor) but odds are much higher that you are going to end up spending in the millions as it is going to cost you 75k or 225k per roll instead of 20k per roll. Damage resist UVs on armors for LD mean almost nothing unless its for the same resist the armor gives (ex: Piercing on Skolver). A Max damage resist UV is 4 bars, which is the equivalent of a 3* item. Having Max Shadow on Skolver or Max Piercing on Snarby looks pretty but it does absolutely nothing to help you survive longer.

~Gwen

(off to work, post more later)

I enjoy killing people carrying multiple UVs as much as I do people running vanilla such as myself.

Haha, I just said I enjoy killing myself.