Spiral Knights - So you no like the update? Here's a suggestion for you, that could benefit all. Probably.

So you no like the update? Here's a suggestion for you, that could benefit all. Probably.

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Thu, 04/26/2012 - 15:50

Weegeeftws

Alright so, guys, I'm gonna assume you were all brought up brilliantly (I'm sure you all were) and ask you a simple question.

When you was a child, and you wanted something from the supermarket, or you wanted something you saw in an advert and you were told no, did you rage? I know I did, I'd cry, stomp about and whine and whine and WHINE!
Did that change my parents decision. No.

So let's look at the situation at hand. You guys ask for something. You don't get it, and get something you don't want. Now, you rage. If you look at the pattern above, you will see the pattern and guess what will come next. You are all acting like spoiled children, and you know you are, each and every individual who is raging about the new update is old enough to know that how they are going about telling OOO that this update is bad, is wrong.

So let me make a proposal, I personally cannot make you do anything, nor can I guarantee any result, but. Can you not put all your rage into one thread. Like, make a thread about why you guys don't like the new update. Please. I know not everyone is raging, and I have read some valid points brought up by people who don't like the update but have not let their 'wants' - because that's what your all essentially saying, I know some of you are like 'We need this, we need that.' But at the end of the day, no, you do not. You want it. - take over their minds (I admire that), but this is getting ridiculous and I'm sure you know it is. I see this every time a new update comes out. Every. Time. I see no reason why a huge 'This update is less than stella OOO, this is why!' thread cannot be made, heck, this could be it for all I care, but I see no reasonable explanation to why you guys feel the need to clog up friggin' general discussion with you 'we are teh most important' threads. I am at the moment (I feel) being very reasonable. I mean you guys do petitions do you not? A huge thread showing OOO that you guys want a certain thing to happen. Isn't what you guys are saying just the same. Yes.

I'm not gonna try defend OOO because in rage come determination, and one that no reason can stop (mostly). But if you guys made a huge thread, explaining why this update is bad, being reasonable and expressing your opinion, without clawing each others throats out, I'm sure a GM will at least notice it. Actually I'm certain they will.

So there, rage at me if you will, I will welcome it with a smile upon my face. But please allow us more content forum goers to carry on with our lives instead of having to read all this rage.

TL;DR: Make one thread for raging and reasonable explanations as to why the update is bad.

~The Mighty WeeGee

Thu, 04/26/2012 - 15:55

Flaming-Resolve

i agree with you man, but

i agree with you man, but people believe that they do not care about the players. HEAD OVER TO THIS SUGGESTION I SUPPORT IT--if you dont like something give the devs ideas/suggestions

i think this is what this game needs- http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/52008

Thu, 04/26/2012 - 15:56

Weegeeftws

@Flaming-Resolve

An idea thread? Might make for an interesting read. Thankee sai.

~The Mighty WeeGee

Thu, 04/26/2012 - 15:57

Alynn

wow

I don't even understand how in the world you can compare commercial customer satisfaction issue with a spoiled child wanting something.

Also, if you haven't noticed, which is really really hard to do, there are TONS of threads on the first page, and even more on the second, that states EXACTLY what we don't like about this patch.

Please go browse around the forum, read some threads, then come back and think about it.

Thu, 04/26/2012 - 16:00

The-Rawrcake

"When you was a child" I

"When you was a child"

I stopped right there.

FIX THIS NOW. UNTIL THEN, I WILL REFUSE TO READ.

Thu, 04/26/2012 - 16:05

Strudul

From a very early age I learnt I was not going to get no matter how much I whined, so I didn't.

I just deal with it.

However, I would like other people to get in a strop because it is funneh.

Thu, 04/26/2012 - 16:10

The-Rawrcake

It was an awful comparison to

It was an awful comparison to what is truly happening. See beginning of Alynn's post. You just made it stupider, Strudul, by your self-glorifying "logic".

ALEAST BASIK EDJACATION B4 POSTIN PLZ

Thu, 04/26/2012 - 16:16

Weegeeftws

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I have read around the forums and seen what you guys don't like. I am not asking this for my own convenience. I do not care for why you guys don't like the patch THAT much, I am asking this because it makes it easier for the GM's to see what YOU guys don't like and how they can fix it. I know, I know I could just click on any random thread on the first and second page and see what you guys don't like. I get it. You guys seem to think that everyone that doesn't agree with you is stupid, Ha! Maybe I am, maybe not, that doesn't change what I said.

On the other note, I compared the 'customer satisfaction issue' with a spoilt child because that is essentially all I see when I read every single post about how bad this update is. Sure, like I said some people have been level headed and whatnot but, I see no reasonable explanation for the whole explosion of rage threads. Maybe it wasn't the best comparison, but then again what's the best excuse for your guy's behavior? 'Oh we are just showing how we feel about the update WeeGee!' Yeah, in such a vile and revolting way you are, you guys know how the world works. That much is clear from how sophisticated you can be. But to go all out rage like this, it's shameful.

I will not withdraw my comparison, it will stay, like I said let the rage come.

~The Mighty WeeGee

Thu, 04/26/2012 - 16:16

Strudul

yay

The comparison is a bit off, but there are many similarities.

How is it self-glorifying "logic" that I am disciplined?

Thu, 04/26/2012 - 16:17

Ubernerd

However, the point about 50

However, the point about 50 rage threads clogging up the General Discussion forum (a fact which Alynn even confirmed/agreed with) is valid. Confining it to a single thread makes it easier for those of us who really don't care because it's just a game actually discuss general things about the game rather than RAAAAAAGE 100 times over.

Thu, 04/26/2012 - 16:19

#10

The-Rawrcake

Strudul, you couldn't even

Strudul, you couldn't even ask a question regarding your self-glorifying attitude without being self-glorifying?

You are hilarious. Keep posting. Sadly, I have to go now.

Thu, 04/26/2012 - 16:23

#11

Strudul

I am not sure how you expect me to have no traits. Every person has traits. One of mine happens to be that I am disciplined. This is not self-glorifying.

You are clearly just jelly of my sexy hats. Well I am sorry, but you are no longer allowed to stroke them.

Now go sit in the corner and think about what you have done.

Thu, 04/26/2012 - 16:24

#12

Kitty-Softpaws

TL;DR

Thu, 04/26/2012 - 16:27

#13

Weegeeftws

TL;DR

This is rather immature.
Make a huge rage thread instead of clogging up General Discussions.
It makes more sense and will get more attention from GM's.
Rage at me if you wish.

~The Mighty WeeGee

Thu, 04/26/2012 - 16:30

#14

Strudul

It isn't even a long thread. Perhaps you need help with some of the words?

Thu, 04/26/2012 - 16:35

#15

Kitty-Softpaws

I don't have 3 minutes to

I don't have 3 minutes to read this. Softpaws is a very busy Kitty, time is money friend. I suggest shorter summaries or just type the moral under.

Thu, 04/26/2012 - 16:42

#16

Strudul

tl;dr?

Make one thread for rage and crying.

Thu, 04/26/2012 - 16:45

#17

Weegeeftws

And reasonable reasons as to why the patch is bad don't forget :)

~The Mighty WeeGee

Thu, 04/26/2012 - 16:47

#18

Kitty-Softpaws

~The Mighty WeeGee Then

~The Mighty WeeGee

Then again, someone with a sig like this, should I really give it the time to read this person's ideals? It ain't any different than someone typing with bad spelling & no periods.

Thu, 04/26/2012 - 16:50

#19

Weegeeftws

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This isn't exactly about my ideals. And I don't understand, what is wrong with my signature?

~The Mighty WeeGee

Thu, 04/26/2012 - 16:51

#20

Strudul

Lol, you said period.

I was keeping it short Weegee. Two lines might be too much of their time.

It needs to be snappy and to the point. Maybe add a few cheesy puns.

Thu, 04/26/2012 - 16:52

#21

Weegeeftws

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Puns? I'd need help in that department, comedy ain't my specialty xD

~The Mighty WeeGee

Thu, 04/26/2012 - 16:57

#22

Strudul

Don't look at me. D:

Thu, 04/26/2012 - 17:00

#23

Weegeeftws

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D: We're screwed, we shall never get the TL;DR right for these people without puns! *cries*

~THe Mighty WeeGee

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 02:10

#24

Asukalan

Yeah, lets make one rage

Yeah, lets make one rage thread and get flushed down from front page by those questionably sane OOO fanboys with those "I luv OOO <3<3<#" threads.

Fight fire with fire.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 05:27

#25

Weegeeftws

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Yeah, because you people who rage every update are sane? I never said make many 'We love you OOO' threads did I? That would be just as annoying as what you guys are doing to the forums.

If you want just make it a 'general feedback for the update' thread. As long as it makes it easy for the GM's to see and understand your guys complaints without having to bloomin' listen to every single whiny brat most of you guys present yourselves as.
The concept that I am putting across is not hard to understand. I think your deliberately being dull now.

The idea is not bad, in my opinion, and I may not have presented it the best way possible, but it's there now. I won't edit anything because you guys want me to, or I feel embarrassed that I might not have executed it in the best way ever, I am not a coward.

If you seriously have a reason as to why this idea is bad, please, tell me, who knows you may be right, but as of right now nobody has said that it isn't, or at least given me a reason yet.

Again, tons of 'We love you OOO' threads filling up the forums would just be as bad as your rage threads. Not once did I say I wanted that, do not try and imply something which is not there, if I wanted to let you know that I wanted the forums to be filled with fan boy threads I would have stated so in the opening post. I did not, therefore I do not, do you understand that? I am a straight to the point kinda guy, I say what I mean, and I mean what I say (Cheesy I know) and that won't change just because I'm posting on a forum. Make it a general feedback thread if you so wish, it will be even more convenient for everyone then, at least in your spitefulness you actually contributed an idea.

~The Mighty WeeGee

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 05:43

#26

Myg-Mog

This Thread.

I don't like your sweeping generalizations about your spoiled brats on here. Sure, there are some complaining endlessly without any sort of constructive critisism, but there are some legitimate reasons as to why there is unrest amongst the SK population, as well as some pretty valid points as to why so. You should read the regular's threads more often.

Also, yes, I do believe Three OOO is doing the best they can. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but equating posters to spoiled children is a form of personal attacks, and soon, this will become a rage thread due to the poor terminology you decided to use at the beginning. It might be true, but you don't stir up more stuff this way, it only serves to make this as bad as the rage threads themselves, and I'm sure others will agree.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 06:12

#27

Weegeeftws

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I apologize if you feel I am generalizing the upset players that are posting as of late. I do not mean every single player who doesn't like the update is a child, nor do I mean that they are wrong. I am saying that the people who are raging are 'acting' like children, they essentially are. I've seen some people post, that I rather liked, these angry threads and all I see is me, me , me, it reminds me of a child so I stated that fact.

If what I said is a personal attack to players who are upset, it will be taken to the graveyard by a GM, but until then it will stay.
Not that I fully understand myself how it is a personal attack to anyone, I myself would never read a post like that and see it as one, then again maybe the fact that I use '~The Mighty WeeGee' as a signature makes me too full of myself to even consider other people's opinions about me.

At the end of the day, I clearly stated that I was directing that to people who were raging like children. I never said that anyone who was being calm and collective, but still thought the update is bad, were acting like children, nor did I even direct my statement to any single person. I understand your meaning though, I do not mean to cause people to rage, but nor do I intend to take back what I have said. But being a person who actually likes the new update (although I think the pets are a bit meh) is it not obvious I will have some people coming to try claw my throat out, I at least expected it.

Either way thank you for being calm, I have taken into account what you have said and understand fully your meaning. Oh and I do read regulars threads, I still think even some of them have not offered constructive criticism, but there are some decent reasons as to why the update is bad, I know.

~The Mighty WeeGee

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 07:12

#28

Strudul

I don't LIKE the new update because it seems pointless.

Problem is that SK is so limited as to what can be added.
New accessories are pointless
New weapons/ equip will just upset people because:
-if they are OP, everyone will complain about wasting money on other stuff before they came out
-if they are OP and get nerfed, everyone will complain they bought them and they are now going to waste.
-if they are average, people wont care much
-if they are UP they wont get used
New levels/ enemies would be good, but this takes time and effort to make and then they go ahead and charge for it
New ways to make your character better is stupid since you can already max out most stats of a character

Without a huuuuge re-work to how SK works, it will be hard to move forward.
SK needs to make money, and they know if they keep releasing vanity stuff people will buy it. Sure they will complain, but they will buy it and that is the important part.

~ The Tasty Strudul

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 07:17

#29

Myg-Mog

I'm Being A Hopeful Myself You See.

Thanks, and I hope I didn't cause offence myself. I'm only technical, and only say things I mean. Even if they themselves are poorly worded! I just go back and make visible edits later...meargh...

Anyways, you seem somewhat sensible in your argument, and hope that all of this bashing, attacking, and complaining ends soon...with a certain BIG update?

/wink Weegeeftws

Yeah, the pets are a bit bland to me too, and mind-blowingly expensive. I want height before that jazz! Plus, aren't you adopting something that'll grow up soon to attempt to eat us? Well, except for the love puppy, but certain LD playing parties want their Love for violent purposes...ouch, love hurts.

All is fair in love and war...except for getting thwonked by someone using love FOR war, that's not fair at all! /wince

Anyways, till then, you have your hands full, Eurydice.

~Not Magmar (Hey, maybe that's my sig!)

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 08:04

#30

Weegeeftws

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No worries Mygmar, you would really need to go out of your way to make me feel offended by something.

And thank you for the compliment, I too hope for a BIG update soon which I 'really' can sink my teeth into, I have no real ideas as to what that would be butt... whatever.

Personally I had an idea about the Love Puppy pets and their use when/if they 'grow up'. I won't post it because this isn't the suggestion forum and most probably has been said already over there (I need to look at that forum more often).
Although I doubt pets would be allowed in PvP anyway, since you probably wouldn't get one by default, which would make LD even harder for new players to start playing.

Oh and I'm sure Eurydice has a bunch of work to do at this moment in time xD Of that, I am sure.
(And it took me all of 2 minutes to work out what you meant with 'Not Magmar', when I did figure it out, I will admit I laughed xD)

~The Mighty WeeGee

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 11:55

#31

Kitty-Softpaws

You guys are turning General

You guys are turning General Discussion into an actual discussion thread!! .... where is SHOEBOX!?

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 12:20

#32

Weegeeftws

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I do not understand what you mean by that. Explain?

~The Mighty WeeGee

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 12:45

#33

Aumir

Aliens

That means that Shoebox is Kitty-Softpaws which means that Kitty-Softpaws is...

By the way, General Discussion is turning into complaining about people complaining.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 13:04

#34

Blitzwingoo

Your analogy is completely

Your analogy is completely wrong....unless you're saying the child (us) is giving money blindly to the parents (OOO) to do the shopping, and the parents are buying you dog food to eat instead of regular food.

The situation is more like buying a cell phone, but then later a forced update causes the phone not to operate as you initially got it. You don't like the change, so you go back to the store to complain. The store manger totally ignores you, and the fanboys in the store heckle you for having an issue with the phone.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 13:08

#35

Sweet-Hope

one thing its truth about

one thing its truth about your thread, the complains that are just like purely rage without put the reason in a order way and just Rage, but i read some thread that they put reasonable things about their complain, just people who come to their thread and start raging but that no mean theyre not doing their complain in the proper way.

Also another thing its truth: youre comparing a whining child that dont get their toy, candy from the store with a client who paid for something. its just not right, remember the parents dont buy the toy or the candy cuz as your said the child need to learn that he cannot get everything in the life, while the client pay for the service and have the right to complain (according to what everyone believe) so yeah thats rather offensive, would be better another comparision than this, because its comparing > behavior (child cannot get everything) vs rights (client complaining agaisnt a bad service). BUT i think, we cant compare the service of a MMO where nobody reads the rules (and the rule of "you agree that we have the right to change the game in anyway) with a service where i paid to get something.

i guess we can compared other MMO in some terms but not the game business with normal business we know. i mean Spiral make old players to pay to get accesories which was ok because new players dont get it for free, now they get it so old players feels betrayed, eye and height are also available for new players (but tbh for me the height short and tall dont make any difference with normal, only very short and very tall) so thats why old players complain because new get everything for free while old have to pay for it. i know this its just kinda pointless but if you look other MMO where the company make a big changes on player stats or creation they give the chance to old players to redo those changes and i guess that what old players here want.

TL;DR:
1) its not right compare a kid that not get he want vs a client who paid for something, its not the same logic, the kid isnt giving his money to get something, that the client does AND the company who said we give a right service-product, we cant compare a normal company business with a Game MMO company Business. but we can compare other MMO way to deal with the players

2) i readed some threads about complains, and there some reasonables ones. if you ignored the first post and you read the rest of the thread where everyone is complaining then: just because one posted his/her complain in a proper way and other comes raging like hell that not mean the complain isnt very well explained.

3) i kinda find useless the complain (not that im with OOO because i really find some things Unfair) but even if we post a very well and detailed complaing without go to Rage, they not going to give a s**t on the thread. they just dont care. just look to the complains the only answer we got its just not to make the thread in a flame war zone.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 13:12

#36

Myg-Mog

To State Calmly, and To Reiterate...

Now now, no one responds to rage you see, they respond to well-made comments, and critisism that doesn't target, label, or hurt an individual or Three Rings themselves. Let's all calm down and discuss this. That's how things get done.

@Yes, some things are unfair, but sometimes, we must also be humble and roll with the punches too...we release our feedback in an orderly and organized fashion instead of flooding the place, and that is how we defend ourselves, the players. Don't feel useless, your voices matter, but no one likes to respond to shouters.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 13:38

#37

Weegeeftws

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Okay guys. I get it, the comparison is bad, I've accepted that, you will see if you read my other posts, but I will not withdraw it, I have already explained why I have made the comparison already. It won't be removed.

Now on the note that people are feeling cheated. When they bought their accessories, height mods,eyes etc. etc. Did they not get them? Yup. Sure if you bought the tall/short height mod or the eyes which you can now choose between at the beginning, I can see why you would complain. I never said that they were wrong, I also never said that the people who were calmly explaining why they are upset with the update were wrong either, like I said I have read them too, all I'm proposing is to make a big thread containing feedback upon updates instead of flooding the forums with complaint/thankyou threads.

I am just sick with all the rage threads all the time. I come on to general discussions to look at threads which are actually interesting as I'm sure all do, but all I see are people raging. Yes I know some people are being calm I do not mean them. Like I've said my suggestion is not hard to understand, it's a simple concept which would be easy to execute as long as people wouldn't be so blinded. This would make it so much easier for everyone, I believe you guys are now just getting hung up on my comparison instead of actually giving an opinion as to whether the suggestion is bad or good.

The comparison stays. You all will see my fail, I accept that I am wrong.

Oh and I ain't exactly complaining that people are complaining, I'm annoyed by the sheer amount of threads people feel the need to make about it, if people were to ask the same questions, you guys would say 'Search the forum better [link]' so why when it comes to people raging do you guys ignore that? All I'm saying is that it would be easier for everyone if you guys actually complained to or praised OOO in an orderly fashion in ONE thread.
Again, the concept is not hard to understand.

~The Mighty WeeGee

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 15:56

#38

Blitzwingoo

Regarding making one thread...

The discontent over the update is the hot topic right now, why would you expect there to be only one thread? What other equally as hot topics (yet positive ones) is there to really talk about right now? And is there really enough positive ones to crowd out the discontent ones?

People's insistence in having only one thread for the discontent over the update is equivalent to somebody not liking Christmas at Christmas time and saying "I'm sick of seeing all this Christmas stuff! Couldn't they just put all this Christmas stuff into one section of the city so I don't have to look at it all over the city?!". And not liking to see negative comments about Spiral Knights and only wanting to see positive comments is like saying "I hate all this happiness Christmas is causing, can't everybody be miserable like me!".

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 16:09

#39

Cuppy-Cake

@Blitz

Surely it is the other way round?

Everyone is moaning and whining, not being merry.

Why can't you all go moan and whine in one place out of the way instead of clogging up the happiness with your depressive attitudes.

(This isn't my view, I am just along for the ride).

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 16:20

#40

Weegeeftws

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Again I am connoting that it would be far better for people to make one thread for feedback for the update, not just for the discontent.

I accept that me asking this may be pointless, I know, I knew that as I wrote this post, but I still wrote it, why? Because this is in the interest of all, not just me or the people who are content with the update.
I never said I didn't like seeing the negative comments people have made, some people have been very understanding and sensible about their complaints, those I like seeing, I myself ain't that fond of everything in the update as I have stated above, but alot of people have just been raging for the sake of it, without a sensible explanation. That is what I personally am annoyed at.

P.S- Why can't everyone be seerus all the time like me!

~The Mighty WeeGee

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 16:39

#41

Blitzwingoo

@Strudal

@Strudal
It's the same analogy, just with the roles reverse.

Since you fail to grasp that....

It's like if somebody super famous in your town dies and everybody's talking about it. Everybody sad and depressed, they even put up banners and hold vigils in public. You either didn't like the guy who died or don't care. You go around saying "I'm sick of seeing and hearing all this stuff about the guy who died, can't they all just go to one part of the city and cry?! Can't they just be happy like me?!"

Why is that wrong? Because people want to talk about the current thing....they don't like the update. Just because you don't agree doesn't make it right that they should go elsewhere to talk about it or to not feel the way they do. Somebody going into their threads and complaining about them complaining is like showing up to a funeral and saying "Hey why the hell are all of you so sad!? Cheer up! The guy who died was a nobody!".

@Weegeeftws
I didn't say you specifically didn't like seeing negative comments.....but I threw that in my post because it usually goes hand-in-hand with people wanting one thread.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 17:16

#42

Cuppy-Cake

@Blitz

"It's the same analogy, just with the roles reverse."
Well done captain obvious.

Your examples are waaaay too dramatic, and so lack relevance.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 19:30

#43

Blitzwingoo

@Strudal

You act like you don't understand, then when it's explained to you further you act like it's obvious. Who's being dramatic?

The examples are meant to be exaggerated to illustrate the point being made. The only thing that "so lacks relevance" is your post that has no argument and adds nothing.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 20:01

#44

Cuppy-Cake

I understand, I just think

I understand, I just think you are being silly and extreme.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 20:19

#45

Soulstaker

@OP

The mighty weegeftw speaks again. This time with wisdom.

Sat, 04/28/2012 - 02:21

#46

Weegeeftws

@Blitz

Oh, I apologize for assuming that you meant that I didn't like seeing negative comments, I guess I'm just tired of people misinterpreting my intentions with my suggestion.

~The Mighty WeeGee