How about
"Lets not pay for energy!"
OOO goes - f**k it. We aint earning. Lets stop this game entirely
Then all of your complaints are heard. NO energy. NO game. :)
How about
"Lets not pay for energy!"
OOO goes - f**k it. We aint earning. Lets stop this game entirely
Then all of your complaints are heard. NO energy. NO game. :)
Us English laugh at you Americans, because we pay almost half ahahahahah-
ok seriously now.
You like mudkips.
You like neets.
BUT YOU WANT THE ENERGY SYSTEM REMOVED?!
Where is the shotgun.
AAAAAAAAAAAAARGHRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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"I see some people saying that they're going to quit, and that's not a lie."
It's always a lie. Every time. Every time someone says "I'm gonna quit becuase I cant play all day long" I reply, no you're not, and then we have a long conversation, and then they go back to playing. Anyone who complains about the system just want's more money faster, and is probabaly in teir one, begging on the side of the auction house becuase they can't manage money.
It's not hard, you can just play ten levels, buy 100 CE, have some left over. You basicaly just converted 100 mist into 100 CE and got some crowns.
These threads are troll nests.
HOW DID YOU KNOW THAT I AM A TROLL THAT HAS BREASTS?!
STAAAAAALKEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER
NESTS FOOLS! TROLLS LIVE IN THEM. THEY COME FROM TROLL EGGS!
*DrLequack has been banned for sexual harrasment*
I actually like how it works right now because I am sick of other MMO that have cash shop and players who spent lots of money get LOTS of advantages over free players. At least in SK, free players may just progress slower than players who pays cash for it. Free players and paid players can craft everything on the equipment list unlike some other MMO where the paid players get more awesome equipments.
And I don't regret spending my money. It has given me boosts in times of in-game financial crisis, and lets me play the game indefinitely.
Although buying energy from the player-driven market can be a pain, I put up with it. Not only because I play, but because everyone else has to put up with it as well.
Paying for the game is completely optional, thanks to the players with hundreds of thousands of Crystal Energy, sending it to the market. Be grateful that they are even bothering selling their energy for crowns, otherwise, you, too, would be spending real money on the game.
The only thing a cash purchase can give you in this game is more play-time, and extra resources for alchemy. That is it. Free players have to work harder to progress, but in return they can play for free. I may progress much, much faster than you, but I am a paying player. I bought my way ahead. You spend nada on the game, I pay. Is it fair? Yes. I get a slight advantage for my purchase, however, I don't get bonus content. We both play the full version of the game. Isn't that enough for you?
Like I said, free players only progress slower than paying players which makes this energy system awesome and we do not get much unbalance issues between free and paying players. Well.....unless you count the minority that buys LOTs of CE that enough for them to buy a whole set of 5*, then again, people would kick these people as they usually suck at the game.
i like your idea! seriously aqworlds has better offers when it comes to USING REAL MONEY. just saying.
that they made the ce requirement higher for alchemy because:
the items meant to be rare and hard to get, became too darn easy to have...
(BTW, if you dont know CE costs were: 3* 100, 4* 200, 5* 400 => and went to current 3* 100, 4* 400, 5* 800)
what happens is that when items get easier to get, more people will have them
once people have them, they will immediately be satisfied
once they immeadiately get satisfied, the earlier they will quit the game
the earlier players quit the game... the less money they would profit (im not implying this last one as bad, its just how hosting an MMORPG is)
and spiral knights will die immediately
that was just the first reason...
the second is about how the previous posts above are right...
the richer players will get to have the best items immediately, making a lot of well equipped, poor skilled players
which sucks...
connected to CE prices was the implementation of automatically bound Token Items.
The tokens showed how much experience you had in the game, by actually playing it, and therefor actually becoming a good player.
the devs wanted to teach us the value of GOOD OLD, HARD WORK..
(which some players dont like [well thats why you suck, immature bastards])
the same goes to having the CE system
it is both restriction, and more importantly, a challenge...
not wanting to brag, but im playing since april, without buying CE with cash...
and i have amassed a lot of 4* and 5*'s along the way...
i am proud of what i have achieved without cash...
and that pride can never be bought..
Welcome to spiral knights..... now quit your bitching and buy energy.
i dont agree if you buy ce with real money and you want like 3500ce you could trade them in crowns and then buy swords and stuff
What is this I don't even know-
Stop bumping this please, for god's sake, it's a horrible idea to get rid of energy.
You can play the game indefinitely and profit as long as CE has a low enough price. Getting rid of energy is useless. It dosen't help us at all, and it royaly yucks three rings in the gass.
think about this if there was no energy the game would be so easy you would be bored of it in 10 min
1. Bumping a necro thread. So no.
2. CE is the companies main form of income. You're asking them to not make any money at all? Altruism is great. This is a business. So double no.
3. You're asking for something this ludicrous in a FREE TO PLAY GAME. Stop being so entitled.
Can we get a Moderator to bury this thread in Graveyard please.
Given that we have to wait. Why don't they reduce the energy time to 5 minutes ? It IS a total 100 units of energy, so 100 times 15 minutes...
Guys guys, this is going NOWHERE!
I think getting rid of energy it to much, ( well..I don't like waiting much but, its a game...) and still, using 10 energy at a time on each elevator? That's too much too..
SO!
How about we just like ask them to REDUSE the Energy? Like depending on the Depth : Tier 1: 2 energy.. Tier 2: 4 energy... Tier 3: 6 energy?
How's that? You can still play this AWSOME FUN SUPER DUPER GAME...fora longer time and make for beginners much easier to proceed to upper lv's.
Also you won't be able to like win the game like in 1 hour or so.
Anyone agree to this?
@Vanmath
2 ENERGY!!! 2!!! WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING?!?!
i don't know if you were kidding about that or not but WTF?
But you still have an idea going on. What if T1 elevators cost 8 EN. thats not a big change. besides, most people go on T2 or T3. Newbs can catch up while hardcore players will still but CE from OOO.
What do you think?
Don't remove the energy system. I at least understand that's how Three Rings makes their money from this game.
Instead, sever Mist Energy from Crystal Energy. Mist Energy is now a separate entity, which can only be used to pay for gate access and activate things within the Clockworks. A new kind of drop would be introduced which is basically a blue colored HEAT orb, which restores Mist Energy, allowing players to continue to venture forward into the Clockworks without being restricted by a lack of energy (albeit probably at a very low drop rate - maybe for a run from subtown to subtown you would only net maybe 10-15 Mist Energy, 5-10 if you're not feeling generous).
Crafting and Item Upgrades would use Crystal Energy exclusively. They would no longer take from your Mist Energy reserves first. So you're given the option of grinding incessantly for the Crowns to buy the CE, or you can just buy them per usual from Three Rings with money. Players can play for as long as they want without worrying about running out of energy, and Three Rings still makes money.
Like most MMO's they have you pay. Some have you pay subscription fees, others have micro transactions. For example, you like to play WOW, then stop paying $15 that month and spend it on Spiral Knights and get 4,800CE. Lets say you like to play Runescape $5 a month, instead of paying that, pay $5 and get 1,600CE on Spiral Knights. Even TF2, substitute buying a key $2.50 with buying 750CE. If you want great content to be made for this game then Three Rings needs money, and letting players that like the game buy more CE to play more is perfect. Just like a Subscription fee. Even better then subscription fee, cause some people can play the entire game Tier 1-3 without paying money. If you want to experience the game in its entirety pay $5 a month that you would have spent on something else on Spiral Knights. I have found I can last a good while on 1,600CE alone.
One major flaw in this argument: the players that would leave as a result of OOO keeping energy don't make them money. Think. They are complaining about energy and not buying it, so really they cost OOO money in server maintenance. I think they'd be happy to lose them.
Don't necro dead threads. Unless it's actually a good suggestion that should be bumped... which this is not.
Short answer, F*** NO!!! i'm happy the way SK is, if u don't like it, don't play it. and if this happens, OOO will be bankrupt in no time
it takes me ages to get enough mist energy and then i go down to the clockworks pwn monsters collect cr then i run out of energy, i need to save my crowns for equipment but i also need energy so i have to buy ce with my crowns and the whole process starts over again.
This makes Spiral Knights the first non-profit video game. It will make everything extremely easy in the game and will put some staff members on the street.
Who revived this troll thread? That's never gonna change trolls. That's like trying to make quake a third person game. Not gonna happen.
I only needed to read the 1st couple sentences before I did this: http://www.myfacewhen.com/45/
Don't post a noob problem on your second day.
Energy is a corner stone of Spiral Knights.
Don't like it then GTFO!
Take away mist energy, but keep crystal energy. That way, you don't have to wait, and you can still use CE as *points*. The *points* can be used to alchemize things and buy items that only game cards can get.
Problem solved,
Joseph
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Alright guys, Ive been reading all your posts (at least the ones that had to do with the topic). I think (as my professional opinion) that taking the energy out would be a little radical. i love the idea. but, that's the way bigger companies are. they wont listen to anything you have to say. THEY DON'T CARE! at least till there "gamer" rate drops hellishly. but to reduce the time of energy regeneration from 0-100ce in 22 hours to 0-100ce in like 5,6, even 7 hours would make allot of people more happy. personally, even i would not lift the energy limitations. that is there main, if not only money income (beyond sponsors and adds etc.) but i say that full regeneration in 2 hours would be cool. i also think that there should be permanent purchases that allows you to hold like 50 more Ce and still regenerate in the same time as a regular person that only holds 100ce total. you may think that that is overboard but say for like reviving and such. you can "get more for your money" shall i say. in a lump some. Reduce Energy regeneration drastically.
Thanks if you read the whole post open minded.
- Sincerely Shadow-Lw
-EDIT
Also. ThetaSynergy. i love the idea. =D
i dont think it would be wise of 3 rings to take away the energy, but as a non ce payer i think that they could atleast lower the time it takes to recharge to a full mist energytank so that you atleast could recharge it to full 2 times per day without being awake for 24 hours, maybe like 5 hours for it to recharge.
or maybe you should be able to harvest energy from enemies like 1 ce for a little gecko and maybe 5 - 10 ce for completing a bossfight.
Nice job Necro-ing...
@Delta-Heavy
How'd you get that name? DON'T COPY ME!
Also they should have an offline version to download that when there is internet it connects and transfers data with your online. so even offline you can get progress. and i think they should make something that goes on your desktop that says how much energy you have and money and mail, but without having to log in the game. so you can wait till you have full energy. check your mail. and do other things of the sort without having to load the whole game. so you can say, get bid notices while not on the game.
if you read this whole post with a open mind. thank you. give me feed back about these ideas. ill take criticism to try to get these ideas seen by Sega or OOO.
Shadow-Lw
My opinion is that they should AT LEAST make the recharge rate a bit higher say: 2-3 minutes. And if they really can't do that then I would just add in game adds. seriously nobody wants to wait a frickin 25 hours (do the math) just to play 10 rounds. Thats like 30 minutes of play time if you're not taking BIG breaks to go to something like the "advanced training hall" or whatever. And would somebody tell me one time when they actually payed real money for energy. So like I said before, just put in adds and AT LEAST reduce the recharge time. !!!!!WHO HAS EVER PAYED WITH A CREDIT CARD!!!!
Shaddup & leave a Pointless Thread be.
But first, a full charge takes 22 hours. 13.2 mins approx per 1me. so I wait 22 hours to do a 10 depth run.
And lots of people pay for this game. Go look for them.
And I play for 2 hours give or take 30mins no-breaks on 80 mist. The 20 is for whatever else.
Now let this die.
But... energy gets you special weapons too...
Seriously, the OP probably either quit or wears all 5* by now, and doesn't care about this thread anymore. Energy isn't going to be removed...no heads or tails about it. Just let the thread die. This guy posted here before I was even playing and I am F2P and have two sets of 5*. >.>;
~Sev
The heck? Who revived this? Leave the noobs on the ground and kill vannaduke yourself.
I read the first 4 posts, and got mad...people like you are ridiculous. And frankly, I don't want to read them all. Making money in this game is freakin easy!!! Find loopholes in the economy to make money. Figure it out. Stop. Posting. Ridiculous. Stupid. Suggestions!!!!
~Meis
(Sigh) Why don't we just make this game a paid game? You buy it for $30, then can play infinitely afterwards? That way there'll be no freeloading idiots complaining about why they aren't getting the entire game, that costs MONEY to MAINTIN and DEVELOP for free.
This is actually just as terrible as the first post, because it's essentially a rewrite of it.
RESULT?:
People in T3 rake in the cash, raise market prices, T1 new players have to grind for days and days in order to get one 2 star piece of equipment. Great idea, fools. Let's make this game only playable for the pros, and drive economy hard on the backs of the new players.
"T1 new players have to grind for days and days in order to get one 2 star piece of equipment."
It took me 20 minutes to get my first 2* piece. Idk what your talking about, T1 clockworks gives out enough to buy a piece of 2* armor or a weapon every few runs.
Seriously, if this thread becomes a year long affair, im leaving Spiral Knights for realsies.
lol
Can't an admin lock this thread? or at least graveyard the sucker?
The first set of words that came to my head after seeing this thread name:
STFU! STFU!
Well u see every time i play Spiral Knights we always have to wait b4 we can play beacuse elevators need energy. i think u shouldn't put elevators powered by energy anymore. you can keep energy but its boring just to wait every 15 min for one energy. and plus u need 10 ENERGY to play one dungeon
If they put weapons and armor in the shops, they wouldn't have to be OP. Hell, they wouldn't even have to put weaps/armor in the shops, just convenience stuff (For instance what End of Nations is doing in they're Cash Shop (Although, may not be the best comparison seeing as Trion probably is still making a lot of money on Rift.)).
Though, after reading Dboyleon's reply, the energy system is a part of the game I guess, one reason why you could call it a dungeon CRAWLER.
I heard it used to be 1 energy per minute, is this true? If so, damn that must've been great =\.