You are going to give some explanations here.

Also, suggestions is another subforum.

No...how else will I die from phantoms with my noob self >:/

Graveyards are my favorite because they have a special "feature" that distinguishes them aside from the generic backdrop/monster-type changes. Please add more areas like the graveyard, please!

Thank you.

But... but.. thats where I get Grim Tokens and lots of cash/heat!

There's nothing wrong with the balance of T1 and T2 graveyards. Given the troubles I've had with undead in T3 already, the notion of a T3 graveyard makes me kinda nervous. Especially since you can't really bring undead hunting equipment in particular into something that usually shows up in a ? layer of a strata that probably isn't otherwise undead.

However, disorganized parties -should- get torn to pieces in the graveyard, and organized parties should make a tidy profit while quickly dispatching phantoms with teamwork. I've been in pugs where people just ran away from the phantoms and let the hindmost fight them or die... of course -everyone- gets killed that way, and they should. I've been in guild and friend groups where we carefully stomped on each grave, just a few at a time, supported each other with anti-phantom teamwork, and came out of the graveyard all the richer for having been there.

Perhaps make phantoms downtime a little higher the more of them there are on the map. Solo I can just laugh at the things, duoing they also aren't a problem, but once you get up to four, on tier 3, you spend more time fending off phantoms than actually playing the level. Unless everyone in your party is good enough to kill one themselves, at least. Sometimes this isn't the case... =/

Though that might be the point. It can be fun being the only one in the party left alive and just trying to get to the elevator.

Um. HELL NO. They're an awesome area to play.

Profitable babies.

I have 4 star gear and, while it's my least favorite zone, I can deal with a T2 graveyard. I went to a T3 graveyard with 3 other people for the first time yesterday, and it was IMPOSSIBLE.

In my opinion, Phantoms ruin that part of the game. They make the graveyards feel more like a chore than anything.

Million Dollar Babies

/not signing

Learn to play right

Graverobbing is fun man.
Why remove one of the single most profitable levels?
You mind as well be asking to remove Arenas and Danger Rooms as well.

Then you're doing them wrong, Tysta! Shame on you, complaining about something easy and thinking it's hard because you're doing it wrong even though it's really easy when you do it right.

It's pretty hard to do them right if you're using the wrong equipment. It's not like I was expecting a graveyard to pop up in the beast strata after Jelly King.

I'm ill-equipped to fight skellies, let alone phantoms. My weapons do crap damage to either.

Graveyards are supposed to be difficult. That's the idea, "Where monsters fear to tread".

As for me, I enjoy them in every aspect - Solo, duo, or full party.

My normal duo partner and I have a strong strategy against the phantoms(We swap aggro - he's a gunner, I use swords). The ghouls shouldn't be an issue for anyone, especially since you have direct control over the number that you're fighting. =p

Solution to your CE problem? Do more graveyards. ;p

Keep T3 graveyards. Unless you're trying to charge through the level and aren't being patient, they're a BREEZE. Learn to dodge the phantom charge attack, easy as hell. With multiple party members, just get one person to kite all of them. I've kited 4 of them for a good 10-15 minutes while my party cleared the level, only got hit twice.

Graveyards are -NOT- hard unless you try to rush through it or spam-melee the zombies. Regardless of tier.

How about a way to avoid graveyards?

I tried a "new" graveyard (with the respawning timer monster) at the end of preview. Tier 1.

I will avoid any dungeon where I've got a graveyard now. It was *PAIN*. Easy, hard, etc: Not the issue.

It was not fun.

Until I hear that they have changed, or that there's a way to avoid graveyards, I'm avoiding them completely.

Without the timer, they were fun and profit.
Now they are neither.

Seriously people want to remove graveyards because they are "hard". OMG a challenge in the game, get rid of it! If it gives you trouble, gear for it better or avoid them. Just because its hard doesn't mean it should be removed. Personally I love them, its just fun to have such chaos in there!
So before you start wanting to remove the challenge, how about you try a different strategy. The hard parts are what will be the most fun when you got better gear.

Hard pfft, Demon's Souls is hard.
The current youth just amazes me with the amount of laziness and whining they do. Games to hard nerf it derp. Goddang grow a pair, try playing NES game difficulty and then complain.

/rant

Seriously Demon's Souls is HARD.
[IT IS MEAN]
Go play that, come back, and see if you whine.

Edited for Language and content. Keep your language clean in the forums - Coriolis

The one on the ps3? Have to go get that sometime...

OH, yes the very same. You will die A LOT.

"Demon's Souls will redefine your idea of what a hard game is."

Yep. It's the game that wants you to die.

And that's what makes it awesome.

I'm Magnus, and the only reason I bought a PS3 was for Demon's Souls.

Best five hundred ninety nine American US dollars I ever spent.

Comparing graveyards to arenas and danger rooms is a strawman, since arenas and danger rooms have a bypass and graveyards don't. The problem isn't that graveyards are too challenging overall; it's that they're a required surprise challenge that (like so much else in the game) is for whatever reason far deadlier with a random party than solo. Comparing graveyard difficulty to NES games of yore is also disingenuous; Mega Man didn't charge you an exponentially growing amount of money every time you died (and oh, the money they could've made if they did that to arcade games...) All that aside, removing graveyards is not the way to go, since there's a lot of good content there. However, there should be some ways to allow people who don't want to deal with them to bypass them, at least to some extent.

A few ideas (that hopefully are general enough to be useful elsewhere, not just for dealing with graveyards):
Branching paths in gates (multiple elevators). Gives a tad more variety in runs through the same gate that is actually under the player's control. (Alternatively, split just the ? gates into one gate that is guaranteed to go to a "regular" level and one gate that chooses between graveyards and treasure vaults.)
Cloaking vials. Consumable vials that grant 30 (?) seconds of being invisible to enemies, broken when you deal damage to an enemy. Useful for running through a graveyard to make it to the end, skipping most of the rewards. Also useful for sniping a single very annoying enemy. It's still sufficiently situational to not be overpowered compared to other consumables.

WIMP, dare I say wimp!

I want to play DS so bad but PSN is down >_>, and that game just ISN'T fun in offline mode.