Its because the CE price is too high. Everyone whines, which annoys the people who actually understand some basic economics. Then when people start drawing conclusions based off of flawed logic and then scream out wild accusations that "explain" the reason for the high CE price... well... that just pisses off the people who aren't worried.

And then people turn around and accuse people like me, who aren't concerned at all, of being P2P elitiest rich people who are making a fortune off the high price. And people seem to react to P2P/F2P players with a sort of racism most of the time.

Because virtual currency economics makes you feel so much better in real life. Oh man, I joined something I shouldn't, I guess I better get going.

Because this entire forum is full of Aumirs.

and Z comes in for no particular reason and adds a troll.

"HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA! APPLE PIE SAUCE!"

we happen to have ALOT of Z's :)

sadly some arent and love to tackle a problem and try to win an unrelated argument. Mostly new players :0
okay Pokey i retract my former statement. Age isnt always the problem...so what is?
Pokenuevo you have me stomped now .... ill be back with a response ....

p.s. hint: i should start driving now ;)

I think most of it stems from a general irritation and possible feelings of hopelessness with the game and with a very few key forum posters, which is then deflected on to others who post topics that have been discussed before and abandoned. Usually these topics have to do with CE price, LD gear, F2P vs P2P, and newbies.

And then you have people who just like to be mean. Schadenfreude, making me feel glad I'm not you...

I expect more from this community

Well there's your problem.

/e still trying to figure out the reason why there so much haters and now figuring out Pokenuevo's age by his/her posts.

PS. i was Right! surely enough some one was bound to come in here with insults. the online gaming world is so predictable.

@Psycho I like that post...well said.

@Pokenuevo This game used to be pretty awesome in the social aspect. It's getting worse though, and there's no stopping that. Higher energ prices cause people to be stingier every day.

Thanks :D

Age is somewhat of a problem.
It is so dang easy for any kid to bypass age-requirements on any game.
I did it on other games when i was younger. (Not saying that I did on this game, I really am old enough now :o)
Younger kids on a game with economics that they can't understand can get a little annoying.
But I don't blame OOO for letting it be easy for under-age people to play, because more players = more money.

"And people seem to react to P2P/F2P players with a sort of racism most of the time."

"react to P2P/F2P players with a sort of racism most of the time."

"react to P2P/F2P players with a sort of racism"

"a sort of racism"

"racism"

O.O

Racism is specific to... you know, race. It has nothing to do with an abundance or lack of imaginary money on an internet game.

I'd like to see the Devs post more

Fat chance of that ever happening.
OOO is running this game like secret agents.
They don't want anything they don't approve of getting out, to get out.
That's why you only see Nick posting about upcoming stuff.

"Critics who treat adult as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up."
~C.S. Lewis.

Trolls may insult anyone they see. The trick is to be stealthy.

But seriously, a lot of the problem is elitism, spendism, and ego. Some elitists will fire insults at the rate of a Max ASI Pepperbox at anyone who doesn't agree with them or breaks one of their "rules"- sometimes not checking to see if it was an accident. Spendism... obviously p2ps hate on f2ps, and f2ps hate on p2ps. (See also: political parties.) And people don't like it when their ego is so much as poked- like, say, when someone respectfully disagrees with them- and they get all defensive, firing insults as fast as the elitists. All this gets people in a foul mood, and they're more likely to post something negative, which is seen by others, who... are more likely to post something negative as a result of that. It's a vicious cycle.

I never notice this in the Treasure Vault, though; likely this is because everyone's too busy saying "Man that's awesome" or breaking out non-barbed humor. (Granted, I haven't read many of the fanfics, but the art and SpiralSpy threads usually don't have angry people in them.) Also, it doesn't usually happen in big, well-thought-out suggestions (at least, those that haven't been discussed before) because people are saying "Dang, awesome idea, I hope OOO implements this!" or things along that line, as well as many extra ideas that are (usually) offered in a friendly manner. Maybe we should get around to more compliments. That seems like it'll help.

Also, a CE Promo with capes could lower prices, making people less likely to post angry "the prices are too high" threads. Come on devs... you know we'd want capes.

I'd like capes.

How about elf ears?
Those would be neat.
Elves are cool.

i do i do

lol

Just throwing in my two cents over the F2P and P2P hate...

F2P hating on P2P probably comes from some sort of jealously. The entire structure of the game tends to offer at least two paths for the player to take: The easier path that demands additional $$$, or the harder path that demands additional time. A lot of people feel cheated when someone can spend $20 and then bypass several weeks worth of farming, especially when most (including myself) are unemployed teenagers who don't have the disposable income to spend on SK. Then people like to assume that OOO is greedy and such, while pointing to OCH as proof.

I'm not entirely sure where the P2P hate against F2P comes in. My main guess is a reaction to the above. While yes, P2P do leap through several weeks worth of farming in a few clicks and a credit card number, most people (who aren't P2P) don't realize that they had to get the original $$$ somehow. Most P2P have an actual job, working for an income. When someone then points at your hard earned income and calls you lazy because you spent hours and hours working... well that isn't exactly going to go over well.

In addition, a lot of the CE price problems come from the F2P group, more than the P2P group. However, F2P tend to wrongly accuse P2P of manipulating the market for a profit, causing the CE price to reach 8k. While that may be partially true, it isn't something that encompasses the entire P2P base. The P2P group is the only thing that prevents the CE price from extending past 10k, by buying and selling CE with $$$. When the F2P group increases in size, the CE price dramatically increases. I believe the CE price went up several hundred (if not thousand) around the time SK came to Steam. Regardless, most of the CE price increases stem from a huge amount of players using CE without spending $$$. Said players hypocritically point the blame at the P2P group, which in turn, adds to the hate.

And then to top it all off, people tend to be jealous of rich people. Elitism and such. It exists in the real world, it exists in politics, so it'll exist in Spiral Knights.

I always found it amusing when F2P players complained about P2P players. This game is still around because they're willing to support the company.

I don't care if someone hates on me for being P2P. I work for a living and I am in college for engineering so I don't have 12 hours a day to farm crowns like some unemployed players do.

P2P are such noobsssss!!!!! They should WORK!! D:<

Lol. Just kidding about that^, but I had to troll for a second there.

Anyways, I don't see why F2P hate so much on the P2P. I'm a purely free player who has many, many, many 5* items along with 250k cr atm. STOP BLAMING OTHERS FOR YOUR INABILITY TO MANAGE YOURSELVES F2Pers. Tis all I have to say....

~meis (teh troll)

I've been looking, and as Eurydice has kindly pleaded against, there has been an increase in personal insults. I'd like to know why you think this is occurring. This has been going on for a while now, but the last few threads I've seen had more than usual. Most of the time I see this in the Suggestion forums more than anything, when a silly idea is introduced. Now it's spread to the General Discussions, resulting in the locking of a thread.

Well this is humanity, what did you expect. ¬¬

Having low tolerance is popular & things that are popular will be copied by other people because that's how peer pressure & how TeH KeWl K1dZ work.

I feel that "insults" made over the internet, especially in online gaming, shouldn't even be considered "insulting" in the first place.

The growing number of ill tempered children that takes offense to "trash talk"--no matter how slight or trivial--is lamentable, but quite funny to watch in most cases.

Take someone whom we will just call "T-haus" for instance, who on many occasions would throw serious fits at me, just for having jokingly mocked him. I would tease him for a second, then he would start fuming and come back two minutes later with an elaborate but hostile reply. The fact that he actually takes the time to devise a lengthy counter-insult is a bit frightening, and exemplifies how susceptible immature and underage gamers are to the slightest of provocations.

I think that this phenomena of online gamers taking insults seriously, could be attributed to their general lack of a social life, brought upon by excessive exposure to video games. Thus, my suggestion to the parents of "T-haus" and his angry colleagues is to:

- limit their playing hours
- promote the merits of "life outside the room"
- find them a more productive hobby like basketball or football

Ultimately, gamers should understand that there really is no value contained in words thrown around on the the internet. It is also needless to say that gaming itself shouldnt ever be taken seriously.