@Dukeplatypus
I think we need to take it up a notch about Callahan cause our little blurps are going by unnoticed compared to the large walls of text everyone else is writing. :(
@Feller
I get your dislike of AA but what do you have against elemental guns? Obviously, there's Polaris but you could easily write Polaris and not group every other elemental gun out there with it.
You're not wrong, but you're not right either. Auto target only locks on if you are aiming towards the target, with the leeway of slight mispositioning. Auto target fixes your aim proving you are actually aiming towards your target. If your target is behind you, and you are swinging forward, you wont perform a 180 degree turn and slice them in the face.
Auto target helps you hit your target more precisely, and allows you to make use of the slight increase in range (0.5 tile) that you get for hitting your target dead-on. So in that sense, auto target is practically a range-increasing device rather than a lock on. If you hit an opponent with auto target, the chances are high enough that you would've hit them without it as well.
Well, this is speaking for swords with a wide arc, as opposed to head-on swipes such as the Calibur and Brandish-lines (as well as the Flourish' second and third strikes). These swords are the ones that really make use of the 'lock-on effect' as opposed to arc-type swords where the only difference is the small spike of range that is directly in front of you. I can't quite argue in this field as these weapons do make use of the lock-on effect, and players might find this "cheap", but I re-iterate, it is part of the system and available to everyone. It is merely of your own choice to use it or leave it, leaving the responsibility of its outcome with you and you alone.
@Feller
No idea where you got the idea that any other gun than Magnus-line got better with auto target. Auto target only works when you are standing still, and swords are stand-still weapons - you don't move as you strike, you stop and strike. The two guns that work similarly are the Magnus-lines and Autogun-lines. Other than those, alchemers'/driver's projectiles travel too slow to hit a moving target, and Valiance might be borderline at best [I require input from a gunslinger who has experience with Valiance on this.] Besides, a gunslinger is usually moving, thus deactivating auto target by default, so if you got hit by a gunslinger, they simply outpredicted you.
I honestly don't see why people complain about features of the game. For example, when i play Super Smash Bro's with my bro. (Yeah, i went back to the 64) Id get the bat and knock everyone around the map for a good 15+ kills. He calls it cheap and its not how real people play. But.... its there. So why not use it? Just like AA. If its there why not use it. I've turned around a few LD games because i decided to use it to get an advantage. I'd stray from my bombing ways to a piercing weapon. Honestly, making money on this game is pretty difficult in my opinion. Maybe because i've been playing for like a month. So if there is something INCLUDED IN THE GAME that allows me to up those chances and get some crowns and that 3x Krog coins bonus, bet ill be using it. Don't insult people for using an in-game feature and please shut up about "spamming" weapons. If you haven't noticed there is only one combo per weapon...so basically every time your using it your spamming so next time your pointing your finger at someone remember you have 3 pointing back at you. Just enjoy the game. -__-
the point i was trying to get at is that aa will always be cheap no matter how you try to justify it. it's you not aiming right wtf is justifiable about that? i'm tired of trying to get this point out, people just don't care and don't want to admit that aa is cheap, i don't care if you say it's auto-target i type aa because i want to say auto-aim because it's a more negative term for it. i have not read one post that has made me think that aa is justified. i'm tired of typing the same thing over and over again. you say it's game mechanics, i say it has no right being in competitive pvp. i doubt this will ever change though. i'm so sick and tired of this. don't necro something that has no meaning just to add some insignificant little piece of information. you are adding nothing new. all the points that you have made have been made and i'm sure made better. it makes differences in moments it should have nothing to do with. it honestly can lead to a win or a loss as you have stated. i hate people make the point that it makes almost no difference and then other people saying that it makes a difference that's why they use it. i'm just so over this whole thing. if you could not tell I'M OVER THIS NOW STOP IT AND LEAVE ME ALONE, and my thread. (will move to graveyard if this thing comes back) rage
Shidara said all there is to say about this thread.
I do agree that AA is overpowered, it is horrible. I can't use it! Or else I'd lag! But the people with good computers can use anti-aliasing, but not me..SO OP!
@Feller You´re just a whiner,and you just can´t believe it that an Autoaimer killed you,or even a non-one.Please take your pro-polaris gun and UV´s and leave this...
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Scrub
"A Scrub is a player of a competitive video game who adamantly believes that his or her "house rules" should apply to everyone to promote his or her view of "fair play". If a scrub sees a move or strategy he doesn't like (or can't beat), he bans it (if only in his own mind), and complains that anyone who uses it is cheap."
In this case, house rules would be autotarget off, and the skill/move is autotarget.
Absolutely nothing new here.
That's pretty much it. If you're one of the people blessed with a slightly less laggy connection it doesn't take much to get used to not using it, especially with how much it helps having it off for guns (or bombs :P).
Although I have not used a callahan so I'm curious as to why it would help that gun in particular as some people mentioned.
I use it because I play with a gamepad and don't get any kind of aiming reticule.
"Although I have not used a callahan so I'm curious as to why it would help that gun in particular as some people mentioned."
Approve of this necro-convo I do not, but explain this I can.
The Magnus line, and therefore the Callahan, being it's final form, all have an instant bullet transmission. Apparently, the bullet doesn't actually exist. It's just Fire -> explosion on the first thing within range. The Bullet animation is supposed to be just for show entirely.
So with AT, if you lock onto a Target and fire the Callahan, theoretically it SHOULD be a direct hit.
Autoaim mustn't be removed, people need autoaim for hitting me and without it Ld will be boring for me.
its hypocrisy at its finest. 90% of auto-aim cry babies use a polaris. I find this hilarious but absurd as well. When you all unequip your vh asi newb cannon come back and complain. Until then you're of the same ilk you as those you whine about. Its the same thing. Well auto-aim takes more skill than a polaris.
Who revived this silly conversation again....
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For the last time "Although I am sure this won't be", AT "Not AA, nubs" won't be removed from the game. Why ? God knows how many times I said why....but whatever....People with bad latency Needs Auto-Target, simply because they can't aim well with telerporting and delays, you won't feel that if you have 100 ping and less, the real terror starts from 250 and up.
But, to be honest, sometimes I get annoyed from "Weak, New or just trololo Players" who use the 3 swings of flourish for example. I know it is annoying, but that doesn't permit removing it. I use AT most of times "Because latency kills all of my performance" but I simply don't use the 3 swings, unless I am cornered and need to escape. Plus, even if you get annoyed, just don't call out other people noobs are even swear at them, you have either of 2 ways :
[1] Quit Lockdown and free us from your whining and annoying personality.
[2] Keep calm and concentrate on finding a way to dodge that "Noob" or you can simply use the AT and do like him/her.
In case you can't do way number 1, then do number 2, but if you can't do 2.....Either because of your ego or whatsoever, then we can only ignore you and have a nice match without all this hate and rage.
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Hope this is going to be the last thread raging about AT, because seriously, it is making the community more hateful and angry.
Case closed...
Case temporarily opened
Agree to dragneel
Of course if you start having 250ms and up latency (like me), you will sure feel the dear pain (i possess).
However, I play loads of LD, T2 and T3, but I don't use AT. You know why? Because f.... nevermind.
I see some LD "newbies" coming into LD, spamming and tanking like they really know how to do it. It's okay, that's okay. Are you saying you don't want to give such an incentive to these "newbies"? A professional will realize that it is not worth having AT turned on, because you can't use them when gunning (especially slow guns like the trollaris), and you can't use them for swords (when you realize everyone is just zooming past you).
Then you realize, hey, actually the only ones using AT are the "newbies" and you are just gonna rip off that assistance?
Auto-target it is! AA=antialiasing which is a feature of this game (And any other video game)
Yeah, people who use AT are lifeless noobs, so WHAT? That's a feature of this game, it's there for you to use, take advantage of it and try anything possible to win. SO so what? Using AT doesn't make you a noob but whining against it does - I'm sometimes like that too, I have to admit. Whining and crying over AT, which is a feature of this game is like crying over vending machines because they don't accept Australian Dollars and you're in China, same thing - PATHETIC
I know you skolver zombies die a lot, each of my Alchemer shots hurt, they do hurt a lot <3. AT is like your ultimate excuse. First of all you can't prove it, secondly the name who appeared on your screen can't prove it either - does that make you cool? It makes you sound like a kid crying to mummy because of no candy. Y U UsE AA you a NoOBBB GTfO anD pLLey sumThinG elSSe!!! <----- (F! He just killed me, I better convert my anger into typing up random stuff to make him look bad - well translated?)
Guy get over it, it's a feature built-in the game. Everyone can use it no matter what? What's the deal? Crying in front of a computer won't make you cooler.
tl;dr: AT is a feature of this game. Crying over AH ｍａｋｅｓ ｙｏｕ ｌｏｏｋ ｌｉｋｅ ａ ＢＡＢＹ！ Clear enough.
(lawl, that has already been used as topic for a post of mine)
But yeh, aiming with a gamepad has a major disadvantage that is no cursor on the screen. That means there's no way to judge how you're tilting and turning the stick.
It's interesting to see how the ones who don't whine are the ones who can formulate proper text walls, is it not?
@Psycho's first post:
A bad winner is a bad winner no matter if they use AA or not.
You yourselves ARE noobs since you CAN'T deal with people using auto aim. And plus, it DOSEN'T even change the game so much and you're just getting angry at DYING. And I end it there
/le bow
By the way I've asked many an LD group about Auto-Target. Does AA or whatever work on alchemers that you use the switchie technique? Just asking 'cause I'm not afraid to say that yes, i am a noob.
When you demo and you have AA on you become an unstoppable killing machine. OMG. Everyone gets dropped like stones all around you. NO ONE CAN STAND IN YOUR WAY. You blow 'em away with your dastardly awesome bombs. 'Cuz AA + Bombs = complete pwnage.
TL;DR:
Autotarget whiners are scrubs that need to learn how to counter combo spammers.
""u are with aa cuz a non aa users cant do spam ff combos""
That was like the time I played CA with a TPG-1 Pro that I got from an event for 30 days, then on the Blood Money map, I got the first three kills by sniping the enemy team the moment they left the safety of their van, and I got kicked for hacking.
Dudes. Seerusly.