It's a game machanic yes but other than that why do you want it in LD?
Why do you want auto-aim in LD?
Sat, 06/02/2012 - 11:12
Sat, 06/02/2012 - 11:25
#2
I'm indifferent.
Dunno, If they fail at aiming?
A Learning curve?
Latency?
On the other hand,
It can be a hinderance with auto targeting.
Can get you hated with half-baked Steriotypes(for the last time, toothpicks and Auto-Target don't track recons! Though it helps with spamming full combos....)......
Sometimes, reduces work. And you can barely see the difference with it on or off...
In the middle,
It doesn't really make a difference. In LD, I suck either way...
So, I don't care.
Sat, 06/02/2012 - 11:22
#3
...
Most of the time its used out of laziness. People don't turn it off because by default its on, and it doesn't make a huge difference.
That being said, most of the time AA is used when spamming full Flourish combos. The third swing sends you a good distance, and AA makes you curve around to hit a particularly evasive enemy. Also, if you're caught in a Staggering Storm, AA makes it INCREDIBLY easy to hit the bomber who dropped said Stagger. Also, when facing a bad connection, AA well... it aims for you, even when you cannot.
BTW, you have no idea how many times I had to rewrite that second paragraph to weed out my vitriolic rage for being on the receiving end of AA too many times. It's generally better to keep AA off though, but there are instances where it is annoyingly effective.
Sat, 06/02/2012 - 11:26
#4
So I can be hit by full FF
So I can be hit by full FF combos.
Sat, 06/02/2012 - 11:35
#5
I don't care
I forgot to turn off Auto-Aim, as I was learning to bomb and gun in Tier 2 LD. I got 7k damage later in Tier 3 LD going swordie, and I got called out as a "noob" for forgetting to shut off AA. It doesn't phase me.
Sat, 06/02/2012 - 13:33
#6
So I can make people feel
So I can make people feel useless when I step back slightly out of their combo range then smack them back across the face with my Faust.
but4relz nao, 1 word:
Callahan
Sat, 06/02/2012 - 13:18
#7
Ill tell you why players use auto-target...
Noobs use auto-target because they cannot play without it and all they know about playing is to do full combos with piercing swords.
tell me im wrong, pls.
Sat, 06/02/2012 - 13:20
#8
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Why do you care? Auto-aim or not, LD is awful.
Sat, 06/02/2012 - 13:40
#9
Even though LD is awful why
Even though LD is awful why would we want it to be worse if we could help it?
Sat, 06/02/2012 - 14:19
#10
o
@pokenuevo
"I forgot to turn off Auto-Aim, as I was learning to bomb and gun in Tier 2 LD"
O___O do not gun with autoaim on. It doesn't lead for you but only shoots at where your opponent is at that moment.
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@everythingelse:
People with high latency (ex: play from another continent) will use autoaim to make up for it.
Honestly, it's not that big of a problem.
I really feel like people who complain about it don't understand how to play with their own latency in mind.
Sat, 06/02/2012 - 14:37
#11
Moo~~
We only have Auto-Target. Not sure what you are talking about.
Sat, 06/02/2012 - 14:43
#12
"noobs use auto-target
"noobs use auto-target because they cannot play without it and all they know about playing is to do full combos with piercing swords.
tell me im wrong"
yes because taking advantage of a built in mechanic is obvs an exploit like shivermisting vana those guys are noobs too.
Sat, 06/02/2012 - 15:22
#13
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I have AA on..... I'm sorry if I look like a noob now.
Well in my case, I tend to only use the first strike of the piercing sword back in my striker days except if my opponent is a lowly 3 star or I run out of gas or lagging. Against a 3 star, I would usually just use the full combo (unless skilled). The main reason I stopped playing a striker was because of that horrendous lag I've got ever since I upgraded my computer from 10.5 Mac OS X to 10.6. (Please no trolls about bootcamp/get a PC, please). So, my question is, if I only use the first strike and I had AA on, does AA affect with the first strike?
P.S. I play with keyboard. No mouse.
Sat, 06/02/2012 - 15:37
#14
Simple
Real players doesn't use AA....
I've seen and increase of strikers with elemental guns spaming with AA.. that is just.. lame
Auto-target = Lame player
Lame players showing screens with high damage = http://profile.ultimate-guitar.com/profile_mojo_data/5/3/4/2/534253/pics...
There's nothing else besides that..
Sat, 06/02/2012 - 15:39
#15
...
I really hope you're being sarcastic there Feller...
Sat, 06/02/2012 - 15:39
#16
HEY!
The whole gang is here.
If you need tissues feller, go to the tabel on the right.
Sat, 06/02/2012 - 18:45
#17
Hey Feller, how about that
Hey Feller, how about that random game a few weeks back where even though you got the highest damage (you still had terrible caps, as usual), every time it was you versus me, both of us with full health, you either died to my blade, or fled to heal? That was pretty fun. Oh, and I was using Final Flourish first swings, as in, AA wouldn't help either way. What happened to you being able to cut anybody down regardless of their AA and equipment because you're so awesome? Oh, but you'll probably just deny this, since I didn't bother to screencap it (I was more interested in playing the game than standing around listening to you whine about AA). That's okay, I know I beat you, you know I beat you, and knowing that you're squirming and seething on the inside from losing to a noob like me is all the pleasure I need.
In reality, that picture is you. As a general rule of thumb, if you're more known for your QQ'ing or boasting than for your skills, then you have no room to talk about what other people say, or the pictures they take. I take screenshots of my damage and caps from time to time, but I certainly don't go around bragging about being awesome. I only post them on the forums when it's relevant to a discussion. I take the pictures for my own enjoyment, to set goals to beat. My reaction to people telling me that I'm good is always "I'm not great, there's lots of better players." What's sad is that you're not on that list of better players. Not only have you failed to beat me in the past in a fair fight (i.e. not having two other people attacking me while you swing away, and both of us having full HP), but you're one of the players with the absolute worst sportsmanship in the game. I'd rather lose to other players than win against you, just because you're completely insufferable. Enjoy playing in Randoms, because I don't see you getting into a guild with any level of permanency with your attitude towards other players.
Now, to answer the OP's original question, I want it in LD to help out players who don't have perfect latency, and to help out players who use oddball weapons (like DVS or Winmillion). Also, because there could be coding issues with disabling it for LD, but enabling it for the Clockworks, and I'd rather the devs use their time making new content, rather than changing up LD and then chasing down bugs just to try and please a group of players who are unpleasable.
Sat, 06/02/2012 - 18:57
#18
Yep auto- target is lame
I sometime forget to turn it off when I play lock down, and the end result is that I wreck. It should be fixed so that there is no auto-aim, since it cramps people's style and makes you go in weird directions when attacking.
Sat, 06/02/2012 - 19:02
#19
Zephyrgon, if you playing
Zephyrgon, if you playing with AA is causing you problems in LD, but not in the Clockworks, consider using the toggle key (Shift by default). Set it up to where you press it for AA, and release it to turn off AA. It's perfect for swapping between, say, a Divine Avenger and a Dread Venom Striker. Off for DA, on for DVS. Then you don't have to worry about forgetting to turn it on or off, because it's right there on a button.
Sat, 06/02/2012 - 19:17
#20
To everyone who says people who use AA at all are skilless noobs
Here's what I think. I can go through every single playstyles and weapon types, and point out all the different ways it could potentially slaughter all the opponents you could ever face (regardless of PvP/PvE, also disregarding the 'fun factor') and call it cheap.
But I don't. Because then I'll sound like a prick, and I don't even think those thoughts unless I have to, because really, that isn't my opinion. I don't think any class is a cheap fighting style or whatever. Effective, yes. Some cheap and 'playsafe' even, yes.
But to call them out for having no skill, just because? That's kinda low.
Sure, AA may increase effectiveness in LD. (I wouldn't know, I don't play LD much, and my AA is on toggle for when I want it, which is hardly) That does not give anyone the right to yell at them for having it on. Disapprove, fine. Argue that it takes less skill, and is somewhat cheap, also fine.
But say: 'AA user=SKILLESS NOOB GTFO GET MOAR SKILLZ.' Hell no.
With that logic, I'd be raging on CA over how cheap and skilless L9/Bolt Action snipers are, as they can just shoot you in the leg and you're dead. No effort needed to even get a headshot, like I usually try with the SR25, else squeeze off two shots at said target.
I don't though, because then I sound like a QQer who complains everything is unfair. And although I hate being killed in a single bodyshot, I suck it up and find another way (I usually fail btw.)
Some people may have their own reasons for using it, from Keyboard/gamepad (non-mouse) playing, to nerve damage in their hands. It doesn't matter. Too call them all noobs because of one choice is not fair in the slightest.
However, if someone using AA constantly brags about how much he's wiping the floor with your corpse army, THEN you can be mad. Because that's just annoying.
Sat, 06/02/2012 - 19:39
#21
easy to say "I BEAT YOU"
But saddly hard to prove... Specially if I say right now-.. " WHO ARE YOU GIRL" ?!!!!!
I have no idea who you are.. but if you know my name...
that means you saw my nick while specting my camera (after you died)?
Don't worry honey.. someday, someone will remember your name
PM in-game and tell me about your life so maybe the next time I'll remember you
AA user=SKILLESS NOOB GTFO GET MOAR SKILLZ.
cOPY&pASTE
Sat, 06/02/2012 - 19:39
#22
Well I'd like it to stay, as
Well I'd like it to stay, as many players are used to it, and those that claim to be ros without it clearly shouldnt mind if theyre already so pro >_>
Anyway, I'm not taking sides on this issue, but I will say that if it was taken out, then the amount of skill and actual aim of the players needed would rise. However those without a mouse are doomed.
Sat, 06/02/2012 - 19:42
#23
@Feller I don't think your 7
@Feller I don't think your 7 month argument against AA is going anywhere, I'm sorry to say. I know you hate Auto target, as did I, but eventually you get used to it and learn how to counter it. You actually used to be a pretty cool person...
@Aa issue
AA is fine, skillless noons can use it, latency players compensate with it, non AA-ers use skill, end if story.
Let's face it, OOO isn't going to do crap about the Autotarget issue. I say we just forget about it and complain about something no one has ever complained about, like CE prices, and other such unknon issues...
Sat, 06/02/2012 - 19:49
#24
Feller
I remember versing you. I didn't have AA on, but I still managed to kill you (I have no evidence, but whatever). You eventually started calling me out after the match, saying I was a "AA noob" and that I had no skill. You got around 15k damage. I got around 8k. I got 8 caps. You had 1. Lockdown is King of The Hill, or Domination, not Team Deathmatch.
Sat, 06/02/2012 - 20:13
#25
I'm just gonna get yelled at but here goes...
My biggest problem with AA is that it's not you. Any part of any game is you getting better and AA stops that from happening. It's not everybody who uses it but there are people who only do as good as they do because they don't have to aim as well. You get lag, so do alot of other people, but people learn to play with it. I'm too tired to care right now.
Sat, 06/02/2012 - 20:14
#26
Feller, I'd say you remember
Feller, I'd say you remember my name quite well. Considering that I was just in an LD match maybe 30 minutes ago, where you quit, people telling me you quit because you didn't want to be around me. Quitting in the middle of a match? If that's not poor sportsmanship, I don't know what is. I stay in matches even if someone I don't like is there. Plus there was that time after GvG (where you were "borrowed" by Beware, we won by the way, and I DO have screenshots of that) where you personally sent me a PM insulting me and my guild, even though you lost.
Also, calling me a girl to insult me? Did you just hop out of the DeLorean from the 1800's? Or perhaps you just have nothing relevant to say, so you have to resort to childish insults and bigotry? I'd say the latter is much more likely. Keep on talking. Prove my point about you being utterly insufferable even further. To quote Patton Oswalt - "You're going to miss everything cool and die angry."
Sat, 06/02/2012 - 20:55
#27
Again with the AA?
I don't see how this topic hasn't been settled yet but it's really getting on my nerves.
It's something that's in this game for us to use. If somebody uses it that doesn't make them a "skilless noob."
For those of you that use AA, that's great. You're using a feature of the game.
For those who don't use AA for whatever reason, that's great too.
I don't use AA because it sometimes throws me off but I have no problem with those who do use it and
I honestly don't see a big enough difference to start getting upset about it.
I understand that some people may spam a three hit combo over and over again but why should I care?
If anything, it makes the game a little more challenging to face someone using it and I enjoy that.
@Feller:
If you're not good enough to handle other people using AA, find another game.
Otherwise, quit your whining, try and show a little respect to the rest of this community, and grow up!
Sat, 06/02/2012 - 21:12
#28
hmm
I live in Asia and consistently play on a one-bar connection, therefore by all means I deserve to take full advantage of autotarget.
Sat, 06/02/2012 - 21:33
#29
Guard and Eldibs? Disagree... just saying.
Although I'm fairly sure that you use Optimizer gear, Feller, I don't think Ive seen you using Auto Target that much... Don't worry, you have my support here...
Here are my reasonings:
It IS something put in the game to be used... by noobs and people who are unable to, or do not have the skill to aim. So yes, If you have auto Target on, you are blatantly saying that you either are lazy, Skill-less, have HORRID lag, or are a noob.
Many MMO's do not have a live battle system. SK does. When using the Autoaim, you are taking away the Human interactment, and letting the Computer do the Job you are supposed to be doing.
.........
Eldibs... I'm afraid that All i'm seeing in that post right up there(#26) is you, insulting someone who insulted you. Now, I don't know about you, but that seems very childish to me. Please stop. Also, It would be great if you would contribute to this thread and not make personal attacks.
"DO NOT:
Post personal attacks, or anything intended to insult or belittle another person (this includes both players AND staff members)."
-Poseidon
This DOES go for any one... If I missed seeing anything like that... <.< =.= >.>
Sat, 06/02/2012 - 22:55
#30
Tsu, every time you post in
Tsu, every time you post in respone to me, it's you claiming I've made personal attacks, regardless of the actual content of my posts. You never respond with actual logical counter-arguments, and instead accuse me of "stabbing you with my words." If you can actually counter what I have to say, fine, go right ahead. You can probably already tell I love a good debate. But if all you have to say is "You use words too much in a discussion," then I'm afraid you fail to understand how an argument/discussion/debate works. If I'm "stabbing you with words," that implies that you have no counter-argument to what I've said.
By the way, nice quote there. I can't seem to find it anywhere in this thread. Seems like you paraphrased what Guardianknight had to say, but completely changed their message. Here's the direct quote...
"It's something that's in this game for us to use. If somebody uses it that doesn't make them a "skilless noob."
For those of you that use AA, that's great. You're using a feature of the game.
For those who don't use AA for whatever reason, that's great too."
Next time you want to do straw man arguments, take it somewhere else. I'm not buying it, and anybody who knows anything about logical discourse won't buy it either. Here, I'm going to inform you. Read this page, and every page it links to, then come back and try to argue your point.
inb4 Tsu accuses me of personal attacks and stabbing with words.
Sat, 06/02/2012 - 23:09
#31
...
Tsu... I would be a bit careful with the game you're playing here. I'm sure someone can easily dig through your many threads filled with anger over game balance to pull out personal insults that you have spoken...
Sat, 06/02/2012 - 23:28
#32
Hmm ok...
Ok, so, staying on topic-
I admit that I use AA pretty much all the time in ld. I play T2 and AA definitely helps hit newer players who are using the basic gear you get from missions or someone's ragecrafted free flourish. They can be really annoying as they flit around you in distress- never taking a shot at you, but never stopping long enough to allow you to take a shot at them. The real trouble is when you start going against "the Pros". Those who have come down from T3 and have real skills. The ones that don't use AA and don't ever use a full combo. The ones that move so fast you, with your non-uved TSB, can't hit them at all if you're using the full combo.
Generally this is what I've found by using AA:
-It's harder to shield cancel: Because of the difficulty said "pros" present, the need to shield cancel becomes imperative. I've found that with a toothpick and autoaim it's harder to do so. Maybe it's because I button mash without knowing it, but it seems that even when I purposefully slow down and try to shield cancel the auto aim forces the second and third hit just a bit. And with a forced third hit you leave yourself open to attack.
-It doesn't track recon: It definitely doesn't track recon. Uncloaked yes, cloaked no.
-When going up against a group of people it gets confused: I've found that going up against a group of people- pros, mixed, or otherwise- is very difficult with AA because it gets confused. 1v1 is great because the auto part knows exactly who to go for, but the second another person is introduced into the fight it starts to slow you down. In the end, going up against groups with autoaim almost always means death.
-It's not really that different with a good connection: It really isn't that big of a difference with a good connection, just without it you have to try a little more.
-Great with a bad connection: Makes you hit things when you don't even know what's going on on the screen! It's weirdly brilliant. I've gotten like 4k dmg in T2 on 1 connection just from trying to run around and randomly mashing my attack key.
TL;DR: AA has both good parts and bad parts. If you do choose to use it, know that it isn't pure benefit as some people believe.
Sun, 06/03/2012 - 00:50
#33
Oh man... I'm afraid we DONT see eye to eye :/
Its not that I don't use logical counters... its that I have trouble understanding some of your posts, and you, mine...
Not all logic is the Same kind of logic, And that doesn't make it wrong, just different. Unfortunately for us, my logic seems to be quite different... Not to mention I am unable to think in the words that I type.
When we debate, To me it seems as though you point out irrelevant things, and you say that I am doing the same... Its not what I intend.
The whole "Stabbing with words" bit was never meant to be taken literally... it was more of a roundabout compliment and a bit of despair. It refers to the fact that you simply have more skill with words.
... About the quote... if you mean this:
It IS something put in the game to be used... by noobs and people who are unable to, or do not have the skill to aim.
That was of my own making. It implies that by using the Auto aim, you do not have skill, or are unable to use the skill you have... Which is a negative thing.
If it's the one from Poseidon, that's about the personal attack... I was just surprised at a whole post devoted to bashing another player. I was less then impressed by it.
Now on to the Straw man! I had no clue what you were speaking of in that other thread... And so I took the list of fallacies to offence: I had no other way to comprehend it... /shrug
I will now use this little page of Wiki-ness to my advantage... I will not, however, read it all in one chunk: I'm no person for words... Though if you tell me what it is I'm doing wrong, I'll now go look into it.... I never knew there were rules to this x3...
Though, IMO, arguing against someone that does not have the same information as you (The magic wiki page) seems a little odd.
Personally, I'm just glad that this seems to be a misunderstanding ^-^
Sun, 06/03/2012 - 02:13
#34
RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH
Every time threads like this come into existence they devolve into [expletive]storms thrown by LD whiners who log on the forums only to say "grrr som nub pwnt me he obv using autoaim" as the sensible people dive down into an underground bunker, sit around a table and discuss things forever without ever coming to a reasonable agreement.
Myself, I don't really use auto target- I currently have it turned off by default, but in the past I never figured out how to off it and was stuck with it screwing up my shots(I was mainly gunner back then, with an intense and, looking back at it, unjustified dislike of swords.)
I've shied away from this issue in the past, seeing how these threads are practical minefields. I'll probably continue shying away until I can articulate an argument I like the looks of.
Sun, 06/03/2012 - 04:00
#35
Auto target - why it is here, why it stays.
Auto target has been a feature in the game for as long as I can remember. I am an early player from around the first week of the official release early '11. Maybe my memory is faulty, it never was the greatest. Regardless, I have personally found little use for auto target until I started experimenting with it around late '11. I now have auto target assigned to my spacebar for in-action use whenever I deem it will be beneficial for my performance. Yes, my aim is faulty, making swift accurate turns to hit an enemy dead-on, especially with the thin rapiers is a difficult task. I can manage every now and then, yes, but auto target is a nice failsafe, sort of, for times of uncertainty. It is part of the engine, and I intend to use it whenever and however it benefits my cause. Two scenarios where I have auto target hard toggled is when I'm fighting Lord Vanaduke, and when I play as a guardian in Lockdown. inb4 I suck at PvP.
Oh yeah, and I did some digging in the testing forums, and I found this li'l gem:
Nick:
September 9
- Removed energy rezzing for the weekend in hopes it changes up playstyle a bit
- Lock-on added. Should make fighting a lot easier for some players who rely on it in PVE
- Control points now have sound effects
- More items added to a Kinght's starting arsenal (recreate a Knight to acquire)
For the full post, click here.
This proves that auto target was an addition to Lockdown, not originally there, and why it is going to stay, no matter how much it infuriates you. I also believe that judging a player by their use of gear, playstyle, or in-game mechanics is wrong. It simply means they have their own way of playing, and you have no right to trample on them. After all, if it works, what's going to stop you from using it? An example, I find Polaris 'spam' extremely annoying. That one guy standing behind, shooting explosive volleys of electro-magnetic terror upon me and my team as we try to focus on the direct threat in front of us rather than the laid back gunner. Yes, it bugs me, but in hindsight they are providing cover-fire for their team, just like a bomber would with status bombs (albeit less immediately lethal). Another example, I don't use auto target when I play PvE, because I don't need it. For those times I do, I have the toggle button. Same goes for PvP, unless I'm playing guardian. Why am I using auto target constantly with guardian? Because it works. It helps me get that half-tile increase in melee range, and I am going to use it and abuse it to my heart's content until you're shred apart and whisked away to the locker room. It's in the game engine as a legal mechanic, not some gameshark hack of sorts that ensures an immediate advantage. Remember this - a tool is no better than the one wielding it. If it makes them better, they simply know how to use it.
As for personal attacks (I bet you all were dying to see me post this), I think Tsu should be looking more into the fire Feller has stirred up before commenting on how others respond to it. Be it bias through acquaintance, friendly or grudgingly, or some such, I find it slightly aggrivating that the jab was directed to solely one side of the argument, when both are equally at fault - Feller for being provocative, Eldibs for retaliating. Mind you, I am also biased in this field, but the fact that it bothers me remains regardless of that bias.
Tue, 06/05/2012 - 06:04
#36
Stop it with AA complaints!
Hey! Stop it with the multiple complaints. If you hate people using AA and think its unfair why don't you just use AA yourself stop whining its people's choice they want to use AA or not.... If you don't want to use AA and you think you will be called NOOBY why dont you just deny it?
Think what you are blaming at.. Who are you to call people NOOB because of what people choose to use. The developers made it for people to use don't blame the players playing LD..
I hope my post works and stop this AA stuff..
Sun, 06/03/2012 - 06:37
#37
I don't know why we rage...
Hate on a person who uses a tool legal in the game just because you get owned by it?
Lol.
Tsu, Eldibs didn't start it. Rather, blame Feller. Ever since then, we've hcome to virtual blows...
Sun, 06/03/2012 - 07:08
#38
Know what I'd like to see? A definitive study on AA. If I had 12 friends I could get together to make mock-GLD matches, I'd do it myself. See how many degrees AA corrects for, if it being enabled increases range, etc. But alas, I am guildless and can't do anything like that. Any major LD guild up for that? It'd be really helpful for putting down threads like this.
As is, I'll start taking the AA whiners seriously when they stop using attacks that have 180° swings. Tell ya what; you use attacks that actually require aim, and I'll be impressed that you play without AA. Doesn't help how literally everyone can use it. At least the idiots that whine about gear (specific gear pieces; not uvs) are complaining about something that not everyone has access to at the same time...
Sun, 06/03/2012 - 08:05
#39
Yeah..
Blame me..
I just said "WITHOUT NAMES", that AA was for noobs, and take screens of DMG using AA is just lame.
I don't even know that guy/girl, but it seems that he/she remembers me.. and I'm the one who start?
Common sense people.
I never talk or care about other ppl in LD, and if you know me.. I don't complain about losing a lot.. I complain because AA gives noobs FALSE SKILL, and AA provides them a CHANCE of killing me spamming guns or FF, even the first hit is more accourate with AA..
I've seen a lot of noobs strikers using elemental guns with robotic presition and suddernly they are good players???
Sun, 06/03/2012 - 08:14
#40
You can't auto aim a bomb...
You can't auto aim a bomb... just saying...
Sun, 06/03/2012 - 08:23
#41
Use a in game mechanic and you're labeled a noob?
Well, lets see,
In that "remove AA" thread, you go out of your way to insult AA users, and went into an argument with others.
It's like using the Lock on feature in Kh/Ratchet and Clank. It's an aid. So is "AA"(for the last time, it's auto-target).
Sun, 06/03/2012 - 10:10
#42
The last refuge
I play using keyboard controls, and I can tell you right now that auto aim isn't some magical pass to hitting enemies. The keyboard allows me to aim in 45 degree increments, and the vast majority of my shots miss; the actual arc that auto aim adjusts for is fairly small. And in turn, once you learn the dance of the second swing, it's possible for a guardian to fend off people using auto aim while taking almost no damage. I've dodged three players at once for up to 30 seconds at times, and I'm not even that good.
Then again, I also play with 4* uv-less weapons, no trinkets, and an Internet connection that tends to lag at crucial times. Those things affect my play far more.... But for the player who has everything, auto aim is the last thing they have left to complain about when they lose.
Sun, 06/03/2012 - 10:13
#43
I re-iterate.
A tool is no better than the one wielding it.
If an auto target user can outplay you with the use of auto target then you need to devise a counter-strategy. If you know it hurts you, don't run into it as if yelling "come get me!" and complain later that running headfirst into the tip of a final flourish that 'they only hit you because of auto target.' Some people use it because it enhances their game, others use it because they flat-out rely on it due to technical reasons that are beyond the player to, at least immediately, fix. Honestly, complaining about people using auto target is like people complaining about people using ASI/CTR UVs and damage bonus gear. All enhance your game, and you rely on attack speed increase (or charge time reduction as a bomber) to outspeed your opponent as much as you rely on damage bonus to kill them faster and auto target to make your strikes more precise.
Sigh... You know what, I've said my part already. I stand by what I've said, and let that be that. Clearly my word doesn't leave an impact either way.
Sun, 06/03/2012 - 17:22
#44
Kattamoon
At days ago, "A"person that i kill many times in ld, the next game that person accuss me when others people who says: !oh kattamoon in the other team, we lost!!", and the person "A" says: kattamoon is just aa, (i was not) and i tell him that i was not with aa, he says me: "u are with aa cuz a non aa users cant do spam ff combos", but in reallity all can, aa or not aa. My striker style consist mostly doing first attack of flourishes all the time and shield cancels but for my laggy sometimes i do without wanted flourishes combos.
But sorry if people blame aa when he losses cuz they cant accept that someone kills him and looking scuses, must of the times i dont play very well cuz i have connection problems and die for lagging, sometimes people says: i win to kattamoon!! and i dont really care a %$/%· what people thinks. sometimes my reactions are says things like: &%&$king lag!! and sometimes like that :P, maybe people thinks that i am looking scusses too and i dont care, in the same case, more of the 90% of people in ld had increased range attack to me, only peolpe of my region has not, this really piss me off and sometimes i ressurrect with my bruma energy with all te rage.
I dont care abouth a people using aa or not, i think aa is a obligatory opcion for a gunner (I play as gunner-striker, gunner-flourish-striker, flourish-recon, bomber-guardian and flourish-striker most of the times), people that never as play as a gunner cant go and call noob a gunner for using aa, cuz the really noobs are they that never had play as gunner.
I Think too that a aa option is really needed for a 1 or 2 bars to compensate his conectivity vs a better conectivity, cuz the latency/desfase, the full bars player hit first and most range that the other with less bar. Maybe for feller it is not a problem, cuz with his ASI VH he hits in first place, but the most 1-2 bars conection common people dont have any ASI on they weapons.
SO, the solution for the problem will be: NO Auto-target, but we need: Better conectivity for all of us, NO Bonuses in LD (armors of weapons), all with the same oportunities and adventajes.
Until this dosent fixed, we have to accept:
1.- Auto-target users
2.- Hit Box Desfase
3.- People with adventajes: ASI VH, Armours with 1, 2 or 3 max
For auto-tarjet flourisheses, like says Shidara, you must take a strategy, it is really easy kill that guys, only have to do is wait the last hit of the combo and hit him, wait again, evade him, and hit when he do the last hit of his combo again, repeat all the times and the guy is dead without u loss 1 bar of healt.
Sun, 06/03/2012 - 10:51
#45
Kat's right. People who spam
Kat's right. People who spam you with combos and kill you may use AA, but it doesn't mean they have AA. I can tell you that with or without AA, making those FF spams take precision and timing (and uvs), and a whole lot of practice. So if someone gives you a punishing without you landing a single hit on them, it means they either have a lot more experience than you in LD, or they learn from their mistakes faster than you do.
Learn.
Get better.
Or just keep telling yourself using AA takes no skill and fall to that everytime your ego takes a hit.
Those are your choices.
Sun, 06/03/2012 - 13:15
#46
AA makes me hit the wrong
AA makes me hit the wrong person and die.
Sun, 06/03/2012 - 14:34
#47
O.O Great.
Well, thanks Shidara. That was quite informative... You do lay out some Very solid reasoning.
It does make me sad that nick put the Auto aim into the LD, but with posts like Kataamoon's I can see why...
The entire reasoning for me not liking Auto Target, is that it does the work for you, it is like Making a macro in a game like wow. It does all the ability combo-ing (Or aiming in this case) for you. I feel that is wrong.
But I do get that some people need it for latency, which is understandably something that they cannot change some times. So I guess the fix would be, make it easier to get better latency and Ping... Some of that may be up to the Players in checking their ping, and some will be unable to get better ping and the like until they get better internet, Computer, or a server relatively near to them.
Perhaps Making a (i think its called this) Kickstart for different areas... Then you can have a package that you can buy in the Energy Depot that goes to getting a specific area a batch of servers. Put a goal marker thingy somewhere easily seen, and bam.... When an area has enough people that can support the game, a server can be bought there.
Also, As to the matter of fella... I admittedly did not read everything, as alot of it was incomprehensible, But as far As I saw... he didn't put any names to anything... Though I might be wrong...
Sun, 06/03/2012 - 14:55
#48
I use auto-aim mostly for my
I use auto-aim mostly for my Callahan. It has an odd hit-box which makes aiming with it...weird. Its like the damage spot is a little ahead of the bullet itself.
Don't use it for any of my other guns tho.
Sun, 06/03/2012 - 17:52
#49
...
I don't mind if people need it to help them aim. Think it's kind of lame for PVP, but whatever.
My problem with it is when it causes players to do things they wouldn't have otherwise. Example, a player is attacking one of my teammates, I boost by, and the last attack of the combo targets me.
When something like that happens, it's like I might as well be playing with bots.
And what's this about gunners using auto-aim? Had some people accuse me of that in LD. Assuming I'm just being trolled...
Sun, 06/03/2012 - 18:46
#50
Callahan and if I want to
Callahan and if I want to play close-range gunner.
Lots of people use it when using "toothpicks", because it makes it easier to use the 2nd and 3rd strike, since auto-aim helps you aim with it.