The whole Market should be Occupied.
Sun, 06/17/2012 - 20:25
#52
Completely flawed
As said P2P will also buy CE themselves. No everyone spend cash every time when they want CE.
Even if OP modify the suggestion to make it so you can only buy or sell at a time (only buy or only sell), it can be easily bypassed with multiple accounts / multiple computers / multiple people.
The key to shill bidding is to cancel their buy orders before they get processed. Focus on punishing that behavior.
Sun, 06/17/2012 - 21:13
#53
I nominate this thread for
I nominate this thread for one of the most ridiculous suggestions of the day. Maybe.
Sun, 06/17/2012 - 23:06
#54
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"Destruction yields creation. Therefore we shall descend into the consumptive fires only to arise glorified. A new creation from the ashes of destruction."
Mon, 06/18/2012 - 01:21
#55
Stated simply so your logic
Stated simply so your logic is NO ONE should make profit at all. I'm guessing you live in the US but I may be wrong and if you are in a different country you should at least understand capitalism. If your complaining about the energy prices it's due to F2Per's solely buying from the market place. So the market form of supply and demand comes in. They spend there hard earned money on a game so you can buy it. Without people buying energy there would be no energy. Without energy the developer would stop producing the game. Etc. you see my point here.
Nothing in life is ever truly free.
The market however will never exceed the limits where the cost of CE outweighs the amount of Cr you can get per day. So be happy and play the game for free or open up your own wallet and pitch in.
Mon, 06/18/2012 - 01:58
#56
@Dominiongtr
"If your complaining about the energy prices it's due to F2Per's solely buying from the market place. So the market form of supply and demand comes in."
I do not think for a second that CE supply is running dry. I spent some time staring at the trade tab, and it's getting updated quite frequently to the price of the last transaction. That's already excluding transactions completed at the same price, since I couldn't tell if all of the disappearing sell orders are traded or cancelled.
CE is still being traded very frequently. There is no shortage of CE yet.
"They spend there hard earned money on a game so you can buy it. "
Do not say that like CE sellers are making a sacrifice. They are not. The game is setup like this way, there are pressure for both CE and CR, and people want both for different purposes, and OOO profits from both cases.
No one is forcing anyone to trade CE for CR; people trade for CR because they want CR.
The problem here is because CR is not wanted nearly as badly as CE. CR should never be wanted more than CE (so there is pressure to give OOO money), but also not completely imbalanced as to chase the player base away.
Mon, 06/18/2012 - 03:35
#57
@Everyone
So you all fine with the market being controlled by those who are rich.
Those who have the power of the market ?
They can decide how long you can play or enjoy the game.
...
Mon, 06/18/2012 - 03:40
#58
Player-controlled Market is so great, amirite?
That said, I agree this is not a great idea to halt the CE price, but at least I have to give profit to the OP for thinking of an idea to do something against it.
Since the CE price went over 7k, all we've done is twiddling our thumbs and/or request for more CE Promos that won't work anymore, as seen with the latest one.
Mon, 06/18/2012 - 03:41
#59
nggh
stop making useless threads
Mon, 06/18/2012 - 03:43
#60
Sgtbrown
My idea was kinda confusing.
But its hard to explain.
And I appreciate everyone feedback.
But this problem should be solved.
Mon, 06/18/2012 - 03:44
#61
Pladypus
Stop taking you're time to post on useless threads.
Thank you.
Mon, 06/18/2012 - 05:33
#62
HAH
So you're calling this thread useless?
"So you all fine with the market being controlled by those who are rich.
Those who have the power of the market ?
They can decide how long you can play or enjoy the game."
1. We're fine with this because it is PERFECTLY LEGAL. That and you have NO PROOF that there are just a few extremely rich people controlling everything, as opposed to a bunch of players all trying to make it there.
2. The hypothetical billionaires of this game have as much power as the hypothetical poverty-stricken-powerless-majority. In this unrealistic situation, they're the supply, we're the demand. They don't supply, and the price goes up (OR other people sell it because there is no league of rich people all conspirating together), we don't demand (we being a false, extremely poor majority), and the price goes down.
3. They can't decide how long I play. If I wanted to play longer, I'd buy CE via the market or via real money. If I didn't want to play much that day, I wouldn't use all of my ME. We're not slaves to their system, or anything even close to what you're trying to make this sound like.
Mon, 06/18/2012 - 06:26
#63
If you really want a serious reply...
The solution you present won't work, because:
1. That wall of 1325 buying offers will still be there.
As long as the wall of 1325 buying offers exist, the price won't go down no matter what. And even if this is solved by, say, resetting the whole ce market...
2. The guy who posted the 1325 offers will STILL be on the buyer's side, therefor he can STILL create his wall of 1325 offers.
Because there's no way he can have more ce than 11,316,825 cr, not even if you multiply his ce by 100. And even if he DOES have that many ce, he could just give away his ce until he has less ce than cr.
Irevolutioni, why do you think someone is raising ce price like this? You told Juances: "I don't get the point of getting richer while you don't need to become rich."
What if, that person is doing this, because he want to see threads like this, and watch people whine and complain about the ce prices?
If you really WANT a solution, there are two. But they both have big flaws:
1. Stop the guy(s) from posting his wall of 1325 buying offers.
This is impossible without OOO's intervention. Plus I think it's a bad idea in the first place, not because of what Juances said (the guy who posted that offer can't possibly supply MORE than the demand he created himself, which is 1,325,000 ce), but because the guy(s) who did this isn't technically wrong; the system is simply very abusable.
2. Get rid of the wall of offers yourself.
This is also pretty impossible, because you need to be willing to spend a lot of cash, and I mean a LOT. The steps are:
a. Somehow amass 2,000,000+ ce, which you probably have to buy with real money, I think that's around $500 without energy boost promotion.
b. Sell all your 2,000,000+ ce. That should take out most of the demand, hopefully leaving only some 6000~7000 cr offers left, if they still exist.
c. Use all your cr to buy as many ce as possible. You'll end up having a lot less ce than you started though.
d. Create a wall of supply offer yourself, as close as the remaining buying offer as possible. So if the remaining buying offer is, say, 6500. You create as many ce selling offer as possible at 6501.
Once you do that, the guy(s) who posted the wall of buying offers shouldn't be able to get rid of your wall of supply easily with his newly obtained 1,350,000+ ce. He could sell all that, but thanks to the 2% tax and the ce price drop you just created, he shouldn't be able completely demolish your wall of supply offer...
... Unless he has another 11,316,825 cr burning in his pocket, or until your wall of supply eventually get crushed by the demand.
But either way, who would spend $500 just to temporary fix some virtual economy anyway? You might as well as give it to charity... I feel silly for writing all this.
tl;dr
Forget about the market; it's doomed.
Mon, 06/18/2012 - 06:31
#64
If people want the market to
If people want the market to deflate all they simply have to do it stop buying, I don't get why you people are trying to come up with all these other solutions when that is the obvious one.
Mon, 06/18/2012 - 06:57
#65
What to do? Sell it
What to do? Sell it immediately, but check price at first, it shouldn't be lower/higher more than 2% compared the highest offer. But it must be energy and crowns of OOO. It will be a ne service for VIP.
Mon, 06/18/2012 - 08:15
#66
Coneykrab
Well to be honest earning crowns by sort of maniplating the market is agianst TOS.
Also is looping arena's otherwise it wouldn't be patched.
Another one would be glitching with the totems in vanaduke.
And I reported that glitch to a GM and he said its agianst TOS.
It's the same and its wrong.
I don't got any proof you say?
What about you admitting in this thread about that there were rich people who controll the market.
And about the thread on the forums named To all people with 15 mill +.
That ain't enough besides if you look it in the logical way there won't be a F2per able to get that many crowns and stack it that much.
Mon, 06/18/2012 - 08:50
#67
Hugh...
Too people who say "stop makin useless thread" I have to say that...
If this thread is so useless, why do you wasting time posting anyway? Notin better to do, trolls?
The reason of this amount of CE thread it is because is a serious problem in the game...Discuss or postin your critics its a better way to explain all this situation ...but if you dont like it, its ok. I respect your opinion ... but don't reply so , thank you...
Mon, 06/18/2012 - 08:56
#68
~
Yeah, because maiking tons of threads will make any difference.
Yes it's bad, yes it's wrong, but more importantly, you cant do anything about it. Nothing better to do, ragers?
Mon, 06/18/2012 - 10:02
#69
lol
Dont feed the troll kid, thank you^^
Mon, 06/18/2012 - 10:56
#70
Please,
Don't feed the ragers.
Espesically if there are two threads of the similar topic.
Mon, 06/18/2012 - 19:14
#71
SNAKE SNAKEE SNAAAKEEEEE
QUICK! Somebody call Solid Snake. I have a feeling that the La Li Lu Le Lo are controlling the CE Market from behind the scenes.
Tue, 06/19/2012 - 08:21
#72
The irony when people call you a troll.
Instead of wasting you're time here go post on the 15+ million thread.
Since most of you here support the manipulaters.
Tue, 06/19/2012 - 08:23
#73
~
No thread is useless, it all depends on the intended target.
Sometimes that target is not reached appropriately.
So we are a "small" group in the forums, Have you forgotten your History?
Children back then, were also a "SMALL" voice and yet, they managed to change History. Remember Anne Frank?, or Samantha Smith are just Some examples, My point is, even though we are a "SMALL" group of people, " the pen is mightier than the sword"
Tue, 06/19/2012 - 08:33
#74
Children back then, were also
Children back then, were also a "SMALL" voice and yet, they managed to change History. Remember Anne Frank?, or Samantha Smith are just Some examples
Yeah, neither of those two examples "changed history". Try again.
Tue, 06/19/2012 - 08:38
#75
@ Replicant
OK so, maybe you need some enlightenment.
Anne Frank , one of the most renowned Holocaust victims.
Samantha Smith, She was the Youngest goodwill ambassador between the U.S. and what was once the Soviet Union, she died in an accident at 13 Years old.
Sometimes there are those that just Open their Pie Hole for no reason whatsoever, just for the sake of saying anything.
Tue, 06/19/2012 - 08:39
#76
More FEES!
If there were a fee for every offer to buy or sell, like in the AH, then we would have another money sink in the game and anyone trying to build walls with offers they don't intend to complete would have a chuck taken out of their wallet, too. Would this end people trying to manipulate the market? No. Would it end the current method? Maybe.
I really do hate those fees, but without some guaranteed loss, people will put up offers just to move things the way they want.
Tue, 06/19/2012 - 08:46
#77
Anne Frank , one of the most
Anne Frank , one of the most renowned Holocaust victims.
Samantha Smith, She was the Youngest goodwill ambassador between the U.S. and what was once the Soviet Union, she died in an accident at 13 Years old.
I know of who they are. I also know that they did not change anything. I am not saying they are irrelevant to history, but they changed nothing about it.
Tue, 06/19/2012 - 08:53
#78
@ Replicant
O_o changed nothing?
My dear boy, Samantha Smith collectively started to end what was once the Cold war.
And Anne Frank was renowned for he quality of her diaries, which later were published , and she was later the Most discussed Holocaust victim.
Errr.. but enough History., I collectively respect your views, as Narrow minded as it may seem.
Tue, 06/19/2012 - 09:01
#79
My dear boy, Samantha Smith
My dear boy, Samantha Smith collectively started to end what was once the Cold war.
That's not even remotely true. What started the end of the Cold War was the economic collapse of the Soviet Union.
And Anne Frank was renowned for he quality of her diaries, which later were published , and she was later the Most discussed Holocaust victim.
Yes, but that is ultimately irrelevant to your original point. War had already ended before Anne Frank came to light. Everything that happened would have happened regardless of if her diary was revealed or not. Her "small voice" changed nothing of history. She [read: her diary] just gave an introspective analysis - something that is obtainable by any other holocaust victim.
Tue, 06/19/2012 - 09:54
#80
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* FACEPALM*
This game is F2P in a sense that you don't have to pay to create an account and start playing.
Stop misusing terms. And the occupy one too.