The Clockworks is an infinite supply of crowns. Additionally the F2P will always be around and will always be hungry for CE, so we don't have to worry about that either.

Without us buying as much CE as we do it would only cost more. In this system, the F2P and P2P sort of rely on each other. There's no war against the other. When prices are low, the F2P benefits, and when prices are high, the P2P benefit. The F2P acts to drive the cost up, and the P2P acts to drive it down.

We need a super effective crown sink, so that CE seller have to compete with each other to get crowns fast.

Otherwise CE price would only go up and up, until a point F2P gives up and leaves.

I started playing this game since CE was at 5k-5.5k, with my friend. I've been playing without breaks for almost a year; the same cannot be said of my friend, who came back out of "retirement" for the summer. Although he was surprised to see CE at 8k, we managed to run through Jelly King, then Firestorm Citadel, enough to get him into his Dragon Scale set. I never gave him financial aid (although I did give him some accessories), and we are currently on the way getting his Avenger and Blazebrand up into the 5* levels.

Tl;dr: If a player from the 5k Cr era can adapt to the 8k Cr era, there's no reason a player "born" in the 8k era shouldn't be able to do the same

Theres more than enough F2P players in this game.

You think just because you give the order every F2P players just gonna leave? Thats not how it works, and it is possible to get to full 5* in this game without paying a cent, Ive done it before. It takes patience and time.

"Why did you P2P players buy the CE? So you can sell it to F2P players repeatedly and get more than a million crowns!"
>I thought you said it was extremely hard for all the F2P players to get crowns. And besides the P2P could live off other P2P'ers running through the clockworks and earning crowns there.

"If all the F2P players vanished you would find it hard to earn crowns right?"
>No I would run the clockworks from depth 19 to depth 29 and earn 9000 crowns without reving, its only 80 energy for an entire tier run without dying.

"How would you feel if you were in the shoes of a F2P player?"
As Ive said Ive gotten to 5* without paying before.

/thread We've seen it a million times before and nothing is going to change, no matter how many times a person posts.

And you will continue to be shot down, no matter what.

It's a market thing. Something about supply demand relations, there's multiple threads about it somewhere, I'm too lazy to explain it, but let's just say as soon as people stop bringing CE into the game (Promos), the CE/CR ratio changes (FSC Payouts > CE prices) and thus the CE price is increased. And think of it this way.

Pretend you are a rich merchant with 100k CE in liquid assets, and 50k CE more in item assets. Would you be inclined to sell CE at 7k CR rather than 8k CR?

Stop hitting iron-blast with flying cows then Spinex.

>Attempt to make a point
>Gets insulted

Theres a reason why everytime theres a promo, crown rates drop about a thousand and everytime that promo ends, crown rates go back up to there original spot, sometimes higher. Its because people want to buy energy with their USD because "Hey I really want a chance at that summer crown" and the demand for crowns drops a considerable amount in about an hour (Unless the promo is unpopular). It usually rests about 1K crowns lower then usual because alot of people buy the package when it first comes out. However the second the promo ends the crown rate will go back up because people have no reason to be buying CE anymore unless they just want a quick boost to 5*

People go back to farming missions to earn the 8K crowns it takes to buy 100 CE (FSC cost 50 CE a run(40 if you dont do duke) and implying you wont wipe) and boom, a 50 CE profit right there. Thats the reason crowns are so high is because of that mission theres a higher demand for it. Its a free path to depth 23.

Back in the days when CE was around 6K per, people had to go through depths 18-22 (And the 500cr fine for going down to tier 3!) before FSC was runnable. This made it even. Its supply and demand.

This again...

You do realize that if they really wanted to,CE would be at 14k + ? Think about it, and think about how much you can profit off 1 mist tank. Tier 3 players essentially get 200CE for 100 Mist/CE at FSC, being about 50CE is used in a run that pays out enough for 100CE . Now consider the fact that because of this they can buy CE without the , and at a hastened pace than the rest of the community since they only need to do 1 run to profit, whereas everyone else is left having to grind RJP about 3 times to break even.

Now if these F2P Tier 3ers are essentially buying up, and then using the CE to make more, therefore depleting the overall market supply; as supply lowers and demand hieghtens, there's going to be an higher value in the price per unit.

And if less P2P people are interested in paying for the market because of boredom, such as myself, then the supply loses more.

After all that is taken into account, the sellers make there money primarly by controlling the market. That's why its player based. So if they really wanted everyone to stop using up CE, the price would be set so that 2 FSC runs makes you only break even with the price. 100CE for 100CE. Roughly that's 16k.

So know that it can be, and will be a lot worse as time goes on, and less people pay for the game (quitting, irl reasons, decide to be F2P afterwards, more F2P coming in than P2P, etc.)

I hope it goes past 9k, but the CE promos keep the payers give a bit more money to OOO each time, increasing the overall supply to fit the demand, lowering the price a bit.

Overall, the market is slowly trying to reach an equilibrium with the playerbase, and no amount of complaining or petitions or anything but action is going to stop it. If you want it lower, than the solution is simple. Stop buying CE with crowns, or buy CE with real money. There's no way around it, and the threads only encourage players to drive up the price in an attempt to rid the playerbase of CE complainers.

In the end, you're basically digging your own grave. I'd suggest you get out before you dig any deeper.

There is no TL;DR. Bottom line is this. Either you fix it, you deal with it, or you quit. No exceptions.

Spinex, you don't seem to understand how the game economy works. There is an infinite amount of crowns, and these can be obtained for free. CE has to be purchased by someone in-game with real money. Honestly F2P players are getting an amazing deal.

Also, the price of CE is not something that you can change on command. It is created by a freely-operating market. That means that the price of CE will always approach an equilibrium price for the market. That means that the price that CE settles at is the best possible price for the market. Anything higher or lower would be disastrous, unless the market conditions change (F2P players quit, or more P2P players join the game).

And just so you know, I got to full 5-star without spending a cent. I have since spent money to show my appreciation to OOO

I sense greedy f2p players =0

http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/58144

Yeah, the price of CE rising is just dumb, people keep leaving and leaving. It is almost impossible to play the game with tier 2 items, you'll spend more than you will earn by going through levels. Not everyone can spend their money for games, and idiots keep rising the price so the game would be unplayable unless you spend millions of money into it. That's just f**king re*arded. I remember CE being only 3-4 thousand, now it's unacceptable... The game should have some kind of update that limits the CE selling auction AT LEAST to 7000, because now its dumb people game.

A call to rally all the players in the game to stop buying ce and drive sellers out of business will lower ce prices. Right?

Spinex, I'm a P2P player and I don't go around gloating my wealth of CE to anyone (don't assume the stereotype we've somehow developed). I suggest you take a more practical approach when addressing other players; your choice of words, especially insults, are not going to improve any relationships within the community, and you're more than likely going to be ignored. Unfortunately, this economy IS controlled by players, both P2P and F2P players. Just read some of the countless threads about the economy and you'll obtain a simple understanding of its mechanics. Other than that, have fun and be nice. One more thing, no economy is ever fair. /end

Less CE=More valuable and costing.

It's natural in this game, and we need the stuff.

People will try and buy CE no matter how high the cost. Unless it breaks the market, and it will never happen.

/07:10pm GMT+0 28/06/12

EDIT(/07:15pm GMT+0 28/06/12): I rarely play much.

But I'm indifferent.

I need 5* gear, but I play rare. When I was much less apathic, It would slightly affect me, but the cycle of new content/Costume promos/Accessories promos will be a buying incentive.

If you want a blame for you trouble, suggest decreasing the KoA payout/changing that Boss Lvs require you to go using arcade to get there/Remove boss missions/New content to promote buying CE/COSTUME promos(No more accessories, just something epic like RR).

As they should.

If anything, spiral knights needs more crown sinks.

Let's be real here, the energy becomes a pretty huge issue in T2, where you have 2-3 star players, all attempting to get to 4*. It just gets even more tedious when you make it to that stage where you need 400 energy per item, not even counting the necessary recipes.

Some quick math-

Let's say that the first two floors of RJP is roughly 2300 crowns, and let's say the price of energy stabilizes at 8000 crowns per piece. Let's also say that This is going to be a player upgrading from 2* gear to 4* gear.

Four pieces of gear, 600 energy each. 2400 energy required.

8 recipes needed for the four pieces of gear, (4000 x 4) + (10000 x 4) = 56000 crowns required for all of the recipes.

2400 energy x 8000 crowns per 100 energy = 24 x 8000 = 192000 crowns.

The combined total in this case is about 248000 crowns. That's 248k crowns required to upgrade from the start of tier 2 to tier 3.

Now back to our Royal Jelly estimate, where the first two floors are 2300 crowns per run.

248000/2300 = 108 runs of the first two floors of the Royal Jelly Palace.

Now let's assume they manage to get 5 runs a day, being COMPLETELY efficient by every meaning of the word.

108/5 = 21.6 days, or basically three weeks.

This is three. straight. weeks of someone just running Royal Jelly Palace again, and again, and again. Three straight weeks of grinding in the MOST efficient way just to get into tier 3, and that doesn't sound the least bit ridiculous? If nothing else, these guys need a bit of a change of pace once in a while. Constantly fighting the same enemies over and over again can bore someone to death. If nothing else, more T2 bosses that give a decent crown payout would be perfect.

Also, just because YOU can get to T3 as a free player doesn't mean everyone else can. The people with that kind of discipline are few and far between.