DO NOT:
Post personal attacks, or anything intended to insult or belittle another person (this includes both players AND staff members).
Use foul, abusive, or offensive language. If a swear word is filtered in-game in Spiral Knights, do not use it on the Spiral Knights forums.
Post spam or other nonsense that disrupts the forum's formatting, functionality, or usability, including quote pyramids or "bump" posts.
While I don't expect it, if you guys all get forum banned I'm going to laugh.
Wouldn't that mean fashion related threads in general discussion aren't supposed to be in Treasure vault?
Or starting a thread for a bomb petition in general discussion and not suggestions?
Or how about complaining about the number of cash promos which drive down the price of ce for most players and then putting that in general discussion and not in suggestions again?
How about starting a stun bug thread and putting it again in general discussion and not in bug reports?
Or about players starting protests and petitions on general forums for the sole purpose of slamming the game they play FOR FREE. And not posting changes that can be implemented in suggestions.
Yeah, you're right. This is crazy that something insane had to be done so you people realize how inane and utterly crazy general discussion was as a catchall for every kind of thread that had no right to be here. Crazy.
Its just another crazy thing our forum goes through. Might as well get a small chuckle out of it while we can, and forget about it in a week.
Its not crazy Rep its crae crae
Btw What she order?
Fish fillet.
I wish there was a rule against minimodding, like the rule against impersonating a GM. I understand that you no liek all the love threads, but I find backseat moderating to be just as annoying and counterproductive. One person's interpretation of the ToS might be very, very different from an actual moderator's interpretation of them, and speculating on them openly might be a misdirection to other players who haven't actually read them in their entirety.
Tl;dr: The ToS might not mean what we think it means. We ain't no moderators, yessir.
Omg dude your so RIGH lol
@Provi --- Yes only Eury would know....wait aren't I Eury....THE WOLD WILL NEVER KNOW!!!
@Providence
Yeah. ToS basically is there for the devs to block out anything that might be "bad" for the community.
REally its kinda like a waiver as you enter the game. You abide by the terms that they can do basically anything, and in return you get to play the game (and post on the forums, in this case)
DO NOT:
"Post spam or other nonsense that disrupts the forum's formatting, functionality, or usability, including quote pyramids or "bump" posts."
@Xylka-MkII
That's basically it in a nutshell. The ToS gives OOO a lot more discretion than people think; they can use it to nurture a community THEY think is good for the game, it doesn't mean they are legally obligated to autoban anything that's "spam." Note that they can basically define spam as anything they want in that ToS, which they can amend at any time.
OOO can nudge the community to become whatever they want because it's THEIR forums and THEIR game. It's kinda fun to see what they'll do with it.
Repartee as much as I agree with you and your love boat friends about the state of the forums, there is one problem. You have taken matters into your own hands to dictate how the forums will be. Again, I don't disagree with your intentions. I too wish the forums were much less negative than they were this last weekend.
However, I have to disagree with the method you used. It is definitely against the rules, so it was like some kind of vigilante-ism. Why do you all know what's best? I think it is worth asking the question. Just because it would be better if the forums were more positive, you (collectively) shouldn't be able to control what is being said and what isn't. It is a question of morals. Again, I don't mean to be nitpicky, but it's true. You can't enforce love. You can't force people to behave a certain way... especially if you are not the authorities of this forum.
If you all work for OOO, and have been hired to do this, that would be one thing, but I highly doubt that is the case. My guess is that your intentions were good, but you all acted as if your voices matter more than anyone else. The bottom line is that morals cannot be enforced, but only shown through example. What you and your lovely friends (although kinda cute, imo) did pretty much amounts to censorship... and that is kinda wrong. Please don't get all mad at me, I'm just pointing out the truth. I don't care about guilds or forum categories really. I am a totally unbiased dude. I don't even mind that you all did that, although it's a bit more difficult to find interesting threads to read this evening lol.
Anyway, good luck to you, and may the love continue. Regardless of what happens to you and your guild, hopefully you have done more good than harm. Thanks for reading this.
Remember that EoS has the attention span of a small country of gnats.
This will probably last one night, and then we'll get bored and go back to running laps around the fountain.
At any rate, the OOO response to this will set a precedent for future incidents, and then everyone will know better than to do it again.
This was not planned at all...We never plan anything....(Example Eos: It was never planned to create a guild I asked it happened).....Example: Cobalt I never planned to have Cobalt in Eos he beat me with a rake in my no-no parts it happened.... Example: I never wanted girls in Eos then we let Provi in and now we have 10+ girls in Eos.... Example: Eury and I dating we never planned for it we fell in love....
Regardless ---- this wasn't planned we got bored told each other we loved each other and that why we play Sk.....We didn't take matters in our own hands...The difference is we had 10+ posters from 1 guild post similar like topics....instead of having 10+ random kids post similar like rage topics. Only difference here is we are all in the same guild.
@Providence
If it wasn't for the trouble of going to make that many accounts, I'd do it twice for the heck of it.
So tired
"Yes only Eury would know....wait aren't I Eury...."
I would hurt you if I were her for even suggesting a degradation so low.
Lol aww its okay your way too young on the forums to understand that joke
Virtue, I am not mad and I understand your point of view clearly. But a light needed to be shed on the situation at hand. If I have to pay the piper then it was worth it. I can't FORCE anyone to do anything, nothing I did was ultimately coercive beyond pointing things out in a satirical fashion.
It just needs to be seen, and if it takes something shocking to do it just once then it is worth the effort. My opinion is no more important than the next man or woman but you must admit that the state of affairs for the forums in this particular topic was woefully negative. And now that it's been seen as such and the people who perpetrate that can see it from another perspective it's a good thing. Hopefully it means that things will be less of a whine-a-thon and the people who post on these threads can show at least a scrap of appreciation for the hard work these people put in for us.
Thanks for a good post though, much appreciated to see your side of things.
But you should know for a fact that this having lasted one day that it will have absolutely no impact in the long term. That's just sadly the truth.
Wait, I thought Ters was there when...
Meh... I got the joke :)
Anyways, is this gonna go on for another hour or so? I got nothing else to do until my friend wake's up...sooo.....
"Lol aww its okay your way too young on the forums to understand that joke"
What is a joke
And yes my active forum age is rather small as I had no interest before
Tersa, it's just a long running forum joke is all. There was no serious implication of identity being the same.
Eh maybe two hours. People are getting totes sleepytowns all up ins our Mumble server, and then they won't pick it up again in the morning. This thing will last 6 hours max, I'm guessing. We're not known for our lengthy attention spans.
Good luck to you then. May your message of love spread to yonder forum depths. I will not stand in the way.
Awesome.
Still got 30 mins to kill. Anyone want to liven up the whole thing? before the GMs come on?
Ok, I was watching this earlier. You get all of my affection for right now.
There's also a fair bit of difference between one thread and a dozen. Njthug has done the equivalent of summoning a raid here when considering signal-to-noise.
I'd also like to point out that positive noise is still noise, and this is rather clearly coordinated. If it wasn't, as Njthug is trying to convince us, you'd think he'd have the foresight to stop it if he gave a damn about the workload on the forum staff. Nope. Now they got this crap to deal with on top of the rage.
Heck, at least the rage is coherent. Most of this is just in-joke dribble, not to mention it could all be contained to one thread. Which is a pity. Some actual positive reflection would do *some* good to balance things out. That doesn't lessen the bad OOO has done, but still.
I'm pretty sure a good couple of people commenting on threads on page 2 will rectify this and will require a minimal of moderator input.
I can't imagine it'd be that difficult to actually accomplish. But it's nice to see that even in all of that you can see that it was approaching a terminal point in naysaying. There are a multitude of other players that DID start negative threads and they've turned around asking for a more positive form of constructive criticism and use of the suggestion forums WHICH NEED TO BE USED, PLEASE DEAR GOD USE THEM PEOPLE.
Also, NJ can't coordinate anything. He's a Guildmaster, but he's like a kid who didn't take his adderall. If you believe he's some kind of mastermind then I have a flying unicorn to sell you.
Saranghaaaeeee. That was affection, not my undying love which you have. :* Smoochies.
I wish I had those magical powers you talk about....having control of Repartee or Providence would be great....*Cough Provi took over Eos...and kicked me from it*
Sorry for the double post, but... EDIT: well it ended up not being a double post, but...
"I'd also like to point out that positive noise is still noise, and this is rather clearly coordinated. If it wasn't, as Njthug is trying to convince us, you'd think he'd have the foresight to stop it if he gave a damn about the workload on the forum staff."
NOPE.
Nope.
Echo of Silence is a hive mind collective. Nothing is coordinated, it just happens because we're basically a gestalt intelligence. And Njthug does not have the foresight to do anything. His mind doesn't move forward through time like everyone else's, it moves sideways.
Yes. It's not coordinated. That's why they all share a core title: "This is why I love this game" and various iterations. And you all talked about this in guild chat, as Njthug has so nicely told us.
Clearly not coordinated is any sense.
I don't care if the idea was just batted around and picked up by everyone. It's still your mess. And if you all want to help OOO, y'all can talk to the rest of the guild and move the spam to the graveyard and start up an *actual* OOO appreciation thread (or just resurrect the old one).
Problem solved. Wouldn't that be nice. People actually cleaning up after themselves.
Do you know how memes spread? It's a packet of cultural information that people latch on to and replicate to show common membership in a community; it's a spontaneous inside joke. Coordinated or forced memes usually aren't funny and don't last long. Note that some people who were not EoS also picked up this "meme."
Also, I seriously doubt that this will need "cleaning up" in any serious sense. The ONLY reason these threads are staying up as long as they are is because this is a particularly dead time for the forums. When all the usual suspects log on tomorrow they'll push all these down with their own threads.
This'll be over in a few hours when the guild goes to sleep, people will mention how weird/lame/stupid/awesome/spammy it was for a few days and then forget about it. It ain't no thang.
Originally it was going to be only one thread. But it turned into "I said your name, make a thread or I hold a knife to your throat," and there was so much noise .. so much noise .. Somehow the theme name stuck. If you were on mumble all you would have heard was just rambling and myself singing Celine Dion. NO actual organization.
Ret brought up throwing all our threads into GC, but about half of us were on at the time, so it kind of fell apart. Whatever, it's going to be lost in page history within the next day or so. No need to cry. Also: Total dead time on threads. One or two people woke up during it and hated on some bunnies, yaya.
Edit: What Provi said ^^^^
It's also the principle of the thing. Taking responsibility. But I guess you all wouldn't care about anything about that.
Whatever. I don't care anymore.
You must have missed my earlier post. The one where I accepted responsibility and also said I don't regret any of my actions at all.
We'll take responsibility by taking our warnings/bans like champs.
But again, this whole love thread thing is not doing the irreparable damage to the forums that you seem to think it is. It's an aberration, but one that is relatively harmless.
In other words, "Screw you, put me in jail for the night. I don't care." Rather than fix anything/tone it down, you'd rather just take punishment. I shouldn't have to tell you how pathetic that is.
I'm also reminded of people who trash a place, then just shrug it off by saying "Someone else will clean it up." And yes, the forum will clean up this mess. But I outline a way you guys can clean up your own mess if you truly didn't mean for it to get out-of-hand, and yet you resist doing so. Why?
But hey, whatever. As I said, I guess being responsible and upstanding isn't EoS's thing. That's fine, I guess. I doubt OOO cares, so why should I.
Why does this whole thing bother you so much? Sorry for the aggravation, but you seem to be taking this way too seriously.
It's a discussion forum for a video game. Extrapolating any ethical implications of our actions is a bit disingenuous since this is an extremely low-stakes matter--you're giving it way more importance than it deserves, therefore feeding the event itself. We probably would have stopped it sooner if there weren't any rage threads about it. Classic Streisand Effect.
Nobody's gonna die over this fer cryin' out loud.
Eos Qualities:
1. Having Fun
2. Doing what we want
3. Trolling each other
4. Singing
5. Drinking at times
6. Making fun of Avenged, Xerox, Cobby, Easy, Cava and so many more
7. Loving Rum
and many more....
Nope none that you listed....I guess you wouldn't know since you are not Eos.
You know, I said this was about the *principle* of the matter. Do you not know what principle is?
It's not that the situation is a big deal in and of itself (I couldn't care less), it's the principle of the thing. No mater if the issue is big or small, it's the principle behind it that irks me. I thought maybe you'd had positive principles and pick up after yourself. But no. You'd rather let it be swept under the rug and have the forum take care of itself.
Fine. Whatever. I seriously do not care. Do whatever the hell you want. In fact, do me a favor and stop responding to me. Then I can stop explaining how I actually do not care. I care about explaining myself properly, that you might understand where I'm coming from when it comes to principle, but not this spam idiocy. You could replace that with whatever other inconsequential thing and I still wouldn't care.
I do think you care =0 and it makes me all warm inside <69.
If you care about principles, this is not really the place to discuss them. Look at the responses you have received. Look at the average age and English proficiency of the people who play this game. You're trying to squeeze philosophically consistent blood out of a stone with ADD. I understand that you think principles should matter at all times, but I tell you now that being goofy on the internet doesn't make us people bereft of moral compasses.
And rinciples or not. This is a discussion forum for a video game.
A video game.
I wanted to do you that favor and stop replying, but I think it needs to be said again: this is a place about video games, a medium that is about entertainment and not enlightenment.
Walk away if this really doesn't matter and let us have our fun. Win this argument, don't dignify this post with a response.
@Njthug
I don't care about the spam. I do care about maybe helping you guys be more upstanding than you are. You're a long-time guild, yes? It's kind of disappointing to see you all just crap everywhere. I'd think you'd want people to look up to you somewhat. Guess not.
Still, I try to help. And yet, I get ignored. Oh well.
Maybe a better way to put is is "I don't care about the situation, but what it represents." Your actions speak for you. Even the seemingly inconsequential ones. And this whole thing does not speak positively of you guys.
@Providence
Eh, screw dignity. You guys can. I only have one thing to say. Character is what you are in the dark.
We've received your message, you're not ignored.
We just don't think it's relevant, by and large, because non sequitur outbursts are how we gained our very modest notoriety. We appreciate that you're trying to help us be better, but we disagree with your assessment of "better." Our alignment is chaotic good, basically.
Edit: I approve very much of that Buckaroo Banzai reference. But I tell you we are being completely honest in everything we do; we are pranksters sometimes, and we accept the consequences. We're not hiding anything. This IS part of our character.
Spambomb the forums. We all have a laugh over it. Then you guys help clean up.
Spambomb the forums. You laugh over it, then leave it for us to clean up.
So, which one is less dickish? I know if a friend pranked me with the old bucket-on-the-door gag or something that makes a mess and they didn't help me clean up, they'd get vengeance brought on their head. It's also the difference between that guy who pranks everyone, and that d-bag that torments everyone.
And once more, you're basically accepting just the consequences. I point back to this post. Wouldn't the more upstanding thing be to clean up after yourself, especially since you have absolutely nothing to lose? (Though at this point, I bet most of the posters have logged off or something)
That's all I'm getting at really. But since you'd rather refuse that, it's ok, I guess. Just a pity that I have to think less of EoS now. And they were pretty cool, what with that cake thing.
I'm pretty sure I'm out of things to say concerning this thing. I doubt there's anything you could bring up to make me respond. Hooray! I'm free!
We can just wait.
I'm ready to either laugh or cry.