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Leviathan Blade vs Cold Iron Vanquisher

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Mon, 08/13/2012 - 03:40
Golden-Gale's picture
Golden-Gale

Which blade is the better of the two?

See I managed to get an calibur with a quite good CTR bonus on it, so I'm trying to figure out which one I want to invest in. I kinda want the Cold Iron Vanquisher since I think it looks quite cool. But everyone keeps telling me it's a terrible sword.

Reading up on it on the wiki tells me that CIV deals less damage against everything except undeads compared to the levi. The charge attack also does less knock-back. So I know how difference between the swords. But I'm not sure if the lower damage is worth it! Therefore, I want other knights thoughts on the two blades! :P

Mon, 08/13/2012 - 04:58
#1
Metagenic's picture
Metagenic
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Levi does higher damage, but it generally isn't enough to kill faster than the CIV. In addition the smaller knockback on the CIV makes it more team friendly and all 3 hits of the charge attack will connect.

Also, that look. Few things beat a steel-gray sword wrapped in chains.

Mon, 08/13/2012 - 05:22
#2
Batca
cold iron vanquisher vs leviathan blade

i know the levi does more damage then the cold iron vanqusiher to non-undead monsters.but that bonus damage the levi does is not big(under 50dmg). apart from that...i wonder why people think that the less knock-back means worse.it doesn`t .when u use the charge ...the levi pushes the enemy back imediately.u strike one time.instead of this,the cold iron vanquisher hits the enemy at least 2 times.this way the less damage dealt cant be seen.the cold iron vanqusiher does a much bigger damage to undead then levi.and the look is important too,doesn`t it?the levi is ugly.the cold iron vanquisher looks...ahhhh...amazing.so..the choise is yours .i can only present u the both swords.

Mon, 08/13/2012 - 06:32
#3
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Kaijuhunter
I agree with both of them,

I agree with both of them, BUT, if your cornered, especially in a solo mission, the levi is your best bet cuz of its knockback, therefore protecting you from the enemies. I know it will just send them flying without hitting them much more than once, but you can also easily kite, hit them, and run, then repeat the process. It takes longer, but its safer than just going in with sword and shield.

Also, since you got a CTR, it will speed up the said process above, so i think levi is overall better, since the CIV is more spcialized... BUT if youre doing tons of SL and FSC, you should go for CIV. Not many people can solo shadow lairs or vanaduke, so youll likely be in a team, and as Batca said, the CIV is more team friendly, and since theres tons of undead in FSC and Shadow lairs, CIV will absolutely DESTROY

Mon, 08/13/2012 - 06:46
#4
Trying's picture
Trying

http://wiki.spiralknights.com/User:Jdavis/Swords#Leviathan_Blade_vs._Col...

Mon, 08/13/2012 - 07:03
#5
Zeddy's picture
Zeddy
From someone who doesn't use swords much

If you wear full skolver (or use two damage trinkets (or put a Very High versus Undead UV on the sword)) and wield the Snarby shield, you'll do more damage versus Undead with Leviathan than Cold Iron Vanquisher.

I still say go for CIV. You think it looks cool and that's honestly more important. Where's the fun of being efficient if you have to be boring for it? The damage reduction isn't even all that big.

It's not a terrible sword if you just don't have more than +3 damage bonus on top of the Levi blade. If you go for Vog Cub armour and Snarby shield you'll have a +5 against undead and increased attack speed which also increases your damage over time. Undeads are a very common enemy, and in your future you'll be fighting a lot of them in Firestorm Citadel, Legion of Almire and Shadow Lair Snarby so as far as anti-family weapons go, it's definitely not the worst you could go for.

Just be aware that even against undead your damage will be weak compared to a Brandish or Divine Avenger.

Mon, 08/13/2012 - 08:45
#6
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Saberyoko
Levi

I have Cold Iron Van...I love the design...its one of my favorite weapons!
But, if I had to compare with Levi...obviously Levi is better.
They should make something with the Weapon natural bonus vs any monster....should work a little better than the UV , because if you get Levi with UV High Damage Bonus vs Undead , it will be stronger than CIV.
Also, my CIV have UV Damage Bonus Medium vs Undead =x

Mon, 08/13/2012 - 11:33
#7
Batca
levi vs cold iron vanquisher

i got civ too.i chose it `cuz` i dont really like divine avenger.and the time i crafted it the bradish line was not so well-known.and even this way,i dont regret the choise i had made.civ is many times superiour to the levi while fighting undead monsters as long as u dont have skolver or vog or snarby. but i dont have this armours, i got divine mantle.so for me...the civ was a better choise than levi.and anyway. i have another specialised wepons for jk or roamulus or for snarbolax.i do vana twice every day.so i need a wepon with dmg bonus vs undead.i think the levi is good too.it depnds on the gear u have....is hard to choose between the levi and civ(at least for me was).
saberyoko..by the way..my civ have dmg bonus vs undead high.

i dont want players to craft the civ instead of levi.im just saying that bots are good,but in different ways.but the look..let` admitit..it`s important when u choose a wepon.the grey-steel colour plus the chains sorrunding the blade is awsome.

Wed, 08/15/2012 - 23:37
#8
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Nightscloud
Levi vs cold iron vanquisher

The CIV is great against undead and it's knockback is almost perfect but any brandish line sword (excluding the Acheron) will easily top it's standards and add more (I'm talking about freeze, shock and fire) So the cold iron vanquisher is a useless sword except for people who prefer looks than greatness. Leviathan blade may have an annoyingly massive knockback but trust me, WHEREVER YOU ARE in danger in a mission or in the clockworks or your being surround, you would have wished you would have brought your Leviathan Blade. I stopped using my levi for a while because I thought about all the negatives about it but now I am using it more often and it is way underrated. Better than wild hunting blade, dread venom striker and definitely CIV.
You can go with what the other say, but trust me on this one, leviathan blade is the overall better sword ;)

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 03:51
#9
Plarosel's picture
Plarosel
CIV - Levi

Well, personally I think any comparison here would be senseless. Go for your choice.

The maths say Levi would be better with ultra and maximum dmg bonus, but u cut down everything with that gears. Someone would even say get a counter-type sword and you'll forget your calibur.

In lower tiers, 110dmg is much better than 84; but in T3 it's 200 - 300 per hit for a normal sword, 30 or even 50 wont make any change. You can kill something with 2 copper bullets, then you can shoot 3 with a style. If you want it real fast, get a silver. I once carried an Acheron into a zombie map, it was fine. People even beat Vanaduke with proto gears, right?

About the charge attacks, a Levi has strong knock back, but CIV would instant kill any turret with its swing. For corners, improve ur dancing, or a Nitronome bomb.

So unless u'r wearing angelic set in fsc or wanna shoot puppy guns down with Magnus, there aint any real difference. This game is one of skill, so choose anything you like I'd say.

Thu, 08/16/2012 - 09:26
#10
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Raspberry
This and That

For soloing, I prefer Leviathan. I have a VH Undead Leviathan to bridge the undead gap from the CIV. Leviathan is a great all purpose sword for people who also use guns and bombs.

For partying, I take along CIV so that I don't push stuff on my party mates, unless I am partying with my guild buddy, TheBadger. We tend to have fun getting each other into trouble. It's like spy v. spy.

Then again, I have several types of swords, guns and bombs to play with.

Have fun and experiment with as many kinds of weapons and armor as you have the time and resources for. Choose the best weapons for the type of strata or mission you will be engaging in.

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 07:56
#11
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Sanei
They are normal weapons

Don't forget their type!!!! They are both NORMAL weapons and normal means all-around weapon. CIV sucks as a normal weapon!!!!!! If u face undead, get an ELEMENTAL sword!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sat, 01/05/2013 - 17:28
#12
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Batabii
(could have sworn I already replied to this)

There's no need for an "all around weapon", you have TWO weapon slots at minimum. Bring Polaris and BTB and you're usually going to be far better off than Lev and anything else. CIV is totally useless.

EDIT: OK I found it, why didn't you?

cold iron.vs.leviathan

It's on the FIRST PAGE.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 05:59
#13
Euclidean-Space
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Leviathan:
Insane knockback, deals more damage than CiV (exclude undead), generally the charge only hits once and spanks the enemy away. It's very annoying in teams... I don't reccomend you to use Calibur charges unless necessary.

CiV:
Looks nice, generally charge may hit twice, has high damage bonus to undead.

My recommendation: Make Levi, it's fun to use :p Arena killer!

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 06:44
#14
Hawxindanite's picture
Hawxindanite
Levi

You get the recipes FOR FREE!

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 09:19
#15
Myphenox's picture
Myphenox
not free. you have to spend

not free. you have to spend energy doing the missions. plus ih av a bomb [elemental] and a catlayzer i plan to alchemize into toxic catalyzer [shadow]. so i think my Cic i have will work well. dont anyone dare say- "ur missing a pierce weapon", i dont care i can get that for "free" by defeating snarby on solo.
@plarosel- thanks for the tip. good help.
@batabil- i do not want a piercing/elemental or shadow sword though i already have the nightblade for LD.
im after a sword against all things with a sense of style to it the levi's too boring for me. thats me done now, so who else would like discuss their prefered sword out of the two? and finally, is their anyone else who'd get Civ over the Levi?

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 09:27
#16
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Bopp
sorry to belabor it, but

im after a sword against all things with a sense of style to it the levi's too boring for me. thats me done now

Have you looked into DVS/WHB and Sudaruska/Triglav? They are far more interesting than Levi or CIV, and they're normal damage too. Cheers.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 09:35
#17
Myphenox's picture
Myphenox
yes i have been all the way

yes i have been all the way through the swords. personal taste, the fact theres a chain attached to it makes it special! screw ur floating rocks [jk]! more of a mid sword anyways. thanks.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 12:13
#18
Batca
stop comparing the 2 swords.

1. civ does more dmg on charge vs undeads allways.medium knockback is better in a party. it looks better.
2. levi does more dmg vs non undeads enemies but it depends on certain situations.the levi is high knockback so its better solo, but it`s annoying for party members (like pulsar).
the price is still the same .u craft what u need .the swords are different .u use them for different things.u cant compare them. for fsc u should take civ.if u like to solo things which are not fsc u take a levi(dont use the levi `s charge in a party too often-it is annyoing sometimes)

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 12:16
#19
Batca
no subject this time.

the knockback produced by the civ is a medium one so it puts u at a safe distance from the ememies.levi`s charge is huge knockback.is maybe too much .it just doesn` keep u safe from eneies it really throws them everywhere on the field so 25% of that knockback is useless.plus dmg dealt on charge is less

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 12:44
#20
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Bopp
so many false statements

civ does more dmg on charge vs undeads allways.

Once you max out the damage bonus on both swords, then Levi does more damage per hit, even against undead. It's true that the CIV charge has a better chance of hitting multiple times. But the Levi charge will land multiple times on an undead monster that's stationary (howlitzer), pinned against a wall, or really heavy.

the swords are different .u use them for different things.u cant compare them.

They're really similar swords, and it's easy to compare them. They differ only in their base-line damage and bonus vs. undead (both completely quantifiable) and their charge knockback.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 13:33
#21
Myphenox's picture
Myphenox
DVS was my first choice i

DVS was my first choice i might stick with it now actually. too many supposed faults.

Sun, 01/06/2013 - 13:52
#22
Batabii's picture
Batabii
If you MUST use a normal-type

If you MUST use a normal-type blade, I strongly recommend either DVS or Sudaruska as opposed to lev. At least they have status effects and useful normal attacks (dvs is multihit+poison combo, suda has wide arcing knockback)

Mon, 01/07/2013 - 03:48
#23
Batca
check the wiki

some of u here just ignore the wiki stats and the just try to predict what happenes if u get an uv on levi.....
the pure levi is weaker than the pure civ vs undeads and non stationary enemies hitting more times:mostly for 2 times per one charge.
i admit that in some situations levi is better(non undeads stationary enemies)
solo....levi is better but in a party civ is the better choise.
and it looks so cool.

Mon, 01/07/2013 - 04:23
#24
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Aureate
Processing Thoughts of You Always

...you have no idea what you're talking about.
You said nothing about 'pure levi vs pure civ' in your previous post. You said, and I quote,

'does more damage on charge vs undeads allways' (sic)

Taking damage bonuses into account (which are not especially difficult to obtain for sword-users), a person wearing full Snarbolax/Skolver and a Barbarous Thorn Shield will have exactly the same damage versus undead for a CIV as a person wearing only one piece of Snarbolax/Skolver or a Barbarous Thorn Shield. Now, the Levi gets higher base damage versus all enemies than the CIV, and hence, the sword gets higher damage (with the same full Snarbolax/Skolver and BTS) than the CIV would, even against undead. If your universal damage bonus is above Medium, then the vs. undead bonus of the CIV is completely redundant, since no bonus can go above Max! total - if you happened to wear full Snarbolax/Skolver, BTS, and then added a couple of damage trinkets on top, you would still have exactly the same sword damage output as the person who chose only to wear full Skolver and a BTS. This counts for family bonuses, as well; you can't go over that limit, even if you have a general damage bonus added to a specific family damage bonus.

Now can we please let this thread decompose? The other one on the front page was doing just fine.

Mon, 01/07/2013 - 06:01
#25
Bopp's picture
Bopp
yeah, basically

Batca, the people you're arguing against are Arsenal forum regulars who have read the wiki many times and know this stuff in detail. Your claim that CIV "always" outdamages Levi against undead was just too strong to be true, and we have explained the exceptions. These exceptions are highly relevant; many players have bonuses, or at least are planning for the day when they have them.

Now can we please let this thread decompose? The other one on the front page was doing just fine.

They're both pretty pointless, but okay.

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