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Wed, 08/22/2012 - 20:44
Milanessa's picture
Milanessa

Hello! I'm Milanessa, but please call me Mila.
I joined SK yesterday, and I'm a Squire right now. For now, I'm focusing on making progress by my own; but I do understand that, at some point, I'm gonna need/want to join a guild.
I apologize, as maybe this topic should be in the 'Guilds' section -but I believe this might be a more common doubt between newbies than I think, so here I go:
What should we look for in a guild? What did you, experienced playes, looked for? Were you satisfied with your first election, or did you change several times before finally settling in one? What is the most important thing to have in mind when observing wether to join certain guild or not?
Also, how did joining a guild help you during the game?

Thank you very much!
Mila.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 21:47
#1
Poopsie's picture
Poopsie
Friends! Even if you and your

Friends! Even if you and your friends are newbies, you can learn the game together and it would be fun.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 22:06
#2
Autofire's picture
Autofire
Depends

what kind of community do you like? The largest thing depends on when you join. If you are joining sooner rather than later, the guild should promote helping newer players. Over Powered Noobs would take you if you are T2 or higher. Mine? I'm one of the guild masters for Brothers of Eternity, and I believe it's skill(or willingness to gain more skill) and not gear that counts. If you want to wait till you are T3, there are many, many, MANY guilds that accept T3 only people and generally help you more there.

However, before you ever join any guild, read everything about them. Learn about them and what they do generally. Search through the various guilds and find where you would fit in the best. Can't find one? Make one! (Though this is really hard at first but can be rewarding.) Whatever you decide, I hope you are happy with your choice.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 22:19
#3
Luguiru's picture
Luguiru
Depends on what you want

You were right to make the thread here. If you made it in recruitment-spam-land you would be invited by derpbillion people who only care about member count.

Here are your questions listed:

  1. What should we look for in a guild?
  2. What did you, experienced playes, looked for?
  3. Were you satisfied with your first election, or did you change several times before finally settling in one?
  4. What is the most important thing to have in mind when observing whether to join certain guild or not?
  1. Usually people join guilds for one of the following reasons:
    • Social (people to talk to)
    • Community (people to work with)
    • Guidance (ask questions)
    • A title (guild name)
    • To fit in (high member count)
    • "Pro" status (other members are "pro" so you are as well by affiliation apparently)

    You may notice some of these are silly. That is because they are silly.

  2. Personally, my first do-want for a guild was people to work with and could rely on; not to lean on and use as a crutch, but if I needed someone to grab something fairly cheap off auction I was unable to afford at the time and could buy from them later or something. It was never about spamming invites to people, begging, or any of that nonsense. It was about respecting each other. After joining the first and only guild I plan to be in for a while, I realized something: guilds are basically just a secondary friends list. If you want to see some ideas to improve guilds see here. I am still in the same old guild which has essentially died (almost no one is active anymore, barely any members; most of them were alternates kicked out) but I stick around because I like the name. Even when the guild was pretty lively it was all about grinding. There were a couple people I had fun chatting with, but when I did a run with them it was all about getting distracted; texting while fighting, getting a snack in the middle of a battlement room, et cetera. It was obnoxious. This happened every time according to another member I asked. No naming. For a new player, though, what you really need is either a guild of helpful people (good luck, there are very few players who would be willing to do this) or a couple veterans to show you the ropes. Be sure to explore different kinds of equipment to find what suits your style best. Do not be pressured into the clone effect. I made a rough guide on equipment here if you have time (hours) to sit down and read before you spend all your hard earned crowns on something you may not like.
  3. See above.
  4. For the kind of guy who hates conformance and mindless dependence on others, avoid the guilds which spam invites to anyone they see (many guilds do this). At least 80% of the time they are only inviting you to brag how many members they have in their guild, then disband it when no one cares anymore. Also, avoid guilds which have members who beg who are not imminently removed. I have seen guild leaders invite people only to beg for money, energy, and equipment or threaten to remove them. It was hilariously pathetic to watch, and I think I made them cry, but they got what they deserve. Again, no naming. You probably want a guild which has people who are willing to tolerate someone with questions and actively plays. Find those kinds of people. By find I do not mean to stand in the middle of town advertising that you want to give yourself to be at their mercy. Go into the Clockworks, earn your money, get the equipment that suits how you play, and you will very likely run into people who are willing to work with you. Want to know how often you will party with people who like playing with others? In lower tiers, probably pretty often; but when you get around T2 people start to get bitter because of the difficulty change between T1 to T2. Try not to worry about that too much, the change from T2 to T3 is far greater. This is probably very encouraging for you. Be sure to befriend people you enjoy working with. If someone is being a derp (hides in corners during battlement rooms, steals pills/remedies and never needs/uses them, says hateful things to you, etc.) be sure to block them with the ignore feature. If you see them again they will still be blocked in chat.

If you need/want/pretend to want my help add me under the same name I use here. I will probably eventually be able to help you with something. One thing you should know is I like to rock. All the time.

Why, yes, I do write a lot. I wrote this whole post in about three and a half minutes.

Yes, I am also psychic.

Triangle.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 22:27
#4
Derpules's picture
Derpules
"Secondary friends list" is about right.

Only, in some ways, better, because there's no way to communicate with all your friends at once (thank god!). It's very handy to be able to just type "/g Guys, what should I upgrade/buy next?" or "/g Anyone up for Snarby/JK/FSC/danger/prestige/rec run?" and put together a party.

Basically, what you want is to maximise the usefulness of your guild channel. You have the ability to talk to one group of people--and one only--with a button press. What sort of people do you want them to be? The rest follows.

Thu, 08/23/2012 - 02:09
#5
Aureate's picture
Aureate
Processing Thoughts of You Always

...Personally, I'd try to find a friendly guild. Pro status is completely irrelevant to me, although I would be looking to make sure that there are at least members at the same tier (or deeper) as myself, just so that I can at least have some chance of getting help if I need it. I enjoy chatting with my guild, not to mention it's much more convenient than having to use /tell all the time to hold a 3-way conversation.

Don't go for the first guild to send you an invite. Ever. The best thing to do would be to find a guild you like the sound of, then look for an appropriately ranked member and talk to them about the guild first, to get an impression of what they expect from members and what the members themselves are like. One of them I met had a boss run as an entry test to make sure you weren't the kind of person who trolls other players all the time. Others may ask for other things, such as completing a brief questionnaire. Many will require you to be t2 or greater, and some will ask for t3 players only. I would avoid those which ask for donations of CE, cr or high-level equipment as soon as you join (unless they're actively buying it from you, or it's a charity organisation).

Oh, yeah, you probably will want to have a browse through the Guilds section of the forums.

Thu, 08/23/2012 - 09:05
#6
Mohandar's picture
Mohandar
Make friends

1. Do mission/Clockworks. Be friendly and polite, and try to engage in some light conversation. A good way to do this is compliment their gear and ask them for advice about something. If they respond in kind, send them a friend request at the end of the run.
2. If they accept your request, try to build some rapport by doing runs with them over the next few days. If the two of you click, this will happen fairly naturally.
3. If they have a guild, ask them how they like it, and if you could join (or have them introduce you to an officer/guild master).
4a. If you are accepted, congratulations you've found a guild with at least one good member; odds are if they have been in the guild for a while, it is pretty decent. Friendly, amiable people don't usually stick around in crappy guilds.
4b. If you are not accepted, or they don't have a guild, you've still found a friend who can introduce you to others and who you feel comfortable doing runs with. Repeat from step 1 as many times as you want.

Generally, any guild that sends spam invites is not worth joining. Given the median quality of SK players, the quality of a guild composed of random players is guaranteed to be pretty low. The Catch-22 is guilds with strong communities tend to be full, or hard to get a foothold into. Since you are a newbie with mostly starter equipment, try browsing Guild Recruitment for newbie-friendly guilds that sound interesting to you, and send the person posting the recruiting thread a mail in-game. Or hang around in the Town Square and ask for advice on stuff, and maybe you'll run into someone helpful and make friends.

Thu, 08/23/2012 - 09:17
#7
Milanessa's picture
Milanessa
Thank you so much!

Thank you all for the many replies! They were very helpful.

@Liguiru
Sorry about that 'h'. I always have problems with that word.
I appreciate the long response, actually. It was detailed, and answered perfectly to each one of my questions, so thank you very much. I'll have every piece of advice in mind from now on.
I WILL go through most of that post about weapons. Personally, my favorite is the Spur, so far. But I'll see.
I will add you to my friends list if you don't mind, as you seem like a very experienced player. Don't worry, though, I'll be sure not to trouble you a lot!

@Derpules
I thought so; but one of my fears is not knowing the people from a certain guild before joining. Of course, if they're friendly, I will surely get along. But it will pass some time before I can use the guild basically as a 'secondary friends list'.

@Aureate
Tests? Meaning, they go with you on a party to observe you? In those kinds of tests, what is more important? Your playstyle, or how many enemies you killed? 'Cause some playstyles are more based on support of the party, so it wouldn't really be fair to judge only by the killing count, right?
I will have a look at the Guilds section as well, thank you!

Thu, 08/23/2012 - 09:22
#8
Milanessa's picture
Milanessa
Sorry about the double-post!

@Mohandar
Sorry, I didn't see your reply before! Thank you!
Those steps seem coherent enough to me; I mean, that how I'd like to find a new guild member or a friend.
These advices are very helpful, so thanks! I'll be sure to try and socialize.

Thu, 08/23/2012 - 09:35
#9
Derpules's picture
Derpules
BTW

You're welcome to give the guild I'm part of a shot. We're consciously noob-friendly, pretty helpful, fairly active, and we won't take it badly if you jump ship later. :P If you're interested, let me know your in-game name (if different from here) and I'll shoot you an invite.

Thu, 08/23/2012 - 10:41
#10
Milanessa's picture
Milanessa
Thanks!

The name's the same in-game. Right now I'm out of energy, so I'm gonna be off for a few hours. Let's talk about your guild later, then, ok?
Thanks!

Thu, 08/23/2012 - 11:50
#11
Aureate's picture
Aureate
Processing Thoughts of You Always

I doubt anyone would count number of kills. :P
Generally, in that sort of test, people will be looking to see whether you have a good playstyle rather than just pure damage clocked up. The best players are able to adapt to different situations. Some of this depends on having the right gear, but much of it doesn't, and involves compensating for other teammates and taking them into account. One good way of failing this test would be to spam Pulsar line guns and knock enemies around.

I'd consider a good teammate to be someone who takes care when using shieldbumps/weapons with knockback, such as Brandish charges and so forth. Willingness to listen is also excellent; certain bosses such as the Roarmulus Twins require a degree of cooperation in order to be defeated smoothly. My previous guild didn't have a strict limit on the number of CE and non-CE revives necessary, but I suspect anything over 5 per level would be considered excessive. The question is, are you contributing positively to the party as a whole?
If the answer is yes, then I would consider that to be a 'pass'.

You should probably keep in mind that not everyone has this kind of test, though... but generally these are qualities that would be considered desirable in any guild member.

Thu, 08/23/2012 - 14:23
#12
Milanessa's picture
Milanessa
I see...

Well, that makes sense. Just recently I was going through a mission with a bomber/gunner, as I was using the Flourish. After a little while, I realized that, as I aimed for the enemies near her, I was taking her targets away from her bombs' range. Only then did I understand what everyone means by what you just said. (After that, I started taking care of the enemies further away, and pushing them to her bombs. It was fun!).
Well, even if not everyone does, it's good to have this points in mind as well.

Thanks for the reply!

Thu, 08/23/2012 - 14:29
#13
Sypsy's picture
Sypsy

+1 to Mohander's comment. That is exactly how you find friends in game, and eventually a guild.

- Join parties, say hi, be polite and try to chat. Not everyone will be receptive, but when it clicks, keep it up. You don't need to chat right away, obviously, but this is all just normal social skills you either have or will develop.
- Find a balance between chatting and holding up the progression of the level. You can tell if you're holding up a team if you're talking off the button and everyone else is standing on a button (or running off and on it to hurry you.)
- Take note of people who are considerate. For instance, they don't blow up a block in your face, they dropped a vitapod that picked up so you can have it because they have more hp from their gear, or they dropped/left a pill for you because they know you have none and they already have a few. Generally, these types of people are more aware of their teammates and helpful in nature.
- You can ask before hand to add people to your friendlist, or add them at the end of the run. Never add friends blindly or without chatting, it's creepy.

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