Energy Prices Are Way Too High
Sat, 08/25/2012 - 11:24
#52
Or
Or maybe this is about the actual value of CE to crowns.
Sure it'll be a bit unstable, maybe a few hundred CE off at any given time as currency values are never fixed, but at this point in the game's lifespan I think it's fairly safe to think of 100 CE being actually worth and valued at somewhere between 7.5k to 8.5k crowns.
Sat, 08/25/2012 - 11:32
#53
No, it really is player's greed.
Those fools would put an offer of 9K if they want or have to. People simply doesn't want to wait for other people to press the "sell energy" button many times and just puts the offer ahead of everyone elses. Another guy notices that his offer is not the highest and just takes it off and puts it back on the top. And the vicious cycle continues untill by the time people sell energy with the button, the offers have increased about 100-200cr. And some of them even put walls of offers 100 cr ahead of all others. So that's the problem with this market, people want instant gratification instead of having the will of waiting that the offer gets lower. And it's also how vulnerable it is for its manipulation and how effective it is to increase the CE price...
Sat, 08/25/2012 - 11:43
#54
<- agrees with Deltikon
The CE prices are the player's fault, really. People want more and more crs for the CE they get...and then 'tis the players that complain about the prices....
Oy. -_-
Sat, 08/25/2012 - 13:04
#55
Except
It works both ways. The same thing happens on the energy sell side.
And speaking of greed, I think it's greedy for F2P to want to pay less crowns for the energy people buy.
Sat, 08/25/2012 - 13:12
#56
Well don't blame me...
I am f2p and I only get the energy when I need it...
And it's also both sides that are greedy , I suppose. But I don't think it'll settle down on the 8,5K. Also, it does happen that I admit, but it's far less frequent than on the demand side.
Sun, 08/26/2012 - 03:21
#57
The price of ce will be no prob if...
You unlocked the mission to FSC .:3
But u need to be fully 5 star unlock king of ashes .
U need a lot of patience to gain full 5 star :/
Im nearly ther i only need an armor and sheild. And i had never paid real money to SK.
Sun, 08/26/2012 - 03:26
#58
^
Arcade.
T3.
FSC.
Strata 6.
You can do it in 4*.
Sun, 08/26/2012 - 05:31
#59
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
Sun, 08/26/2012 - 10:34
#60
and why would a T3 bossrun
and why would a T3 bossrun net in LESS income?? have you ever played a T3 mission??
it's risk = reward... and i fought my way to T3 within months as a F2P and had a hell of a time doing it... so can we now please stop these "QQ the CE prices are to high"
the 3K crown you said was back in the first few days... before the misions it was 5/6K and first few weeks of the misions the prices skyrocketed!
grind some more and whine less -> ticket to succes. (and now i have to grind my way back into a SL for a new snarby armor and i can't play every day... i don't care i have fun playing this game)
oh and the payout in FSC isn't all that great you know... the mats you get are worth less then dirt! (only thing getting a nice profit are the trojan horseshoe's and maybe a primal ore if your get REALY lucky)
Sun, 08/26/2012 - 10:40
#61
CE Goes down!
The easy way CE will go down is some rich dude must buy like........ 1 mil CE mauahhahah and sell all that for 3kcr cr per 100 CE. :D And CE goes down ^.^
Sun, 08/26/2012 - 10:51
#62
lol, you're implying that fsc isn't easy?!
and why would a T3 bossrun net in LESS income?? have you ever played a T3 mission??
it's risk = reward... and i fought my way to T3 within months as a F2P and had a hell of a time doing it... so can we now please stop these "QQ the CE prices are to high"
FSC? fair risk-reward? HAHAHAHAHA. It's EXACTLY the opposite of the shadow lair missions! It's so damn easy, anyone could do it blindfolded! And not even shadow lairs are hard, given you have a good team and suitable equipment.
grind some more and whine less -> ticket to succes. (and now i have to grind my way back into a SL for a new snarby armor and i can't play every day... i don't care i have fun playing this game)
There we go, it's not the problem of the game, it's the PLAYER. Next you'll be telling that we are not entitled to not grind forever.
oh and the payout in FSC isn't all that great you know... the mats you get are worth less then dirt! (only thing getting a nice profit are the trojan horseshoe's and maybe a primal ore if your get REALY lucky)
Yes, and the 30K worth in 30 tokens have nothing to do with the huge payout... And not everywhere else allows you to get fine mats, you know? But who cares, i should whine less and grind more, amirite?
Ecto-Bank-Two
Aren't you too young to be on the forums? No offense...
Sun, 08/26/2012 - 16:38
#63
I believe...
That CE should be based off of this:
How much money does a 100 mist run land you?
3000cr? 8000? 20000? 100 energy should be worth 100 energy, no matter how many crowns are needed.
Lets see...
JK = 2200 cr w/o boss. 20 mist.
2200 x 5 = 11000 cr.
...whoops.
Sun, 08/26/2012 - 17:02
#64
I THOUGHT these threads would be dead a long time ago.
At least not as many are complaining.
Anyways we already have shown that its not too high.
In fact my 2* friend who joined only 3 days ago already made 8.5k crowns just off of running Snarby. PROBLEM?????
@Jiker and Deltikon and anyone else like them.
YES +100
Sun, 08/26/2012 - 17:15
#65
So you guys say that the CE price now is normal...?
Everytime CE price hits a new high, there will be people who complain about it, and people who argue that it's 'normal'.
When CE hits 14-16k cr (since that is how much a non-elevator pass person makes with 100mist doing 2 FSC runs) and new players get extremely put off by that, quit, and cause the game to die due to lack of influx of new players, we'll see how you guys call that as 'normal CE price'.
*equips Flame Shield*
Sun, 08/26/2012 - 22:46
#66
Just accept that rage threads
Just accept that rage threads are part of ce movement!I ll not judge what is correct and what is false but its normal some players raging about the ce price!
Maybe the rage threads never made the ce drop but i think if they didnt exist the ce sellers will sell even higher.And something else if these rage threads are stupid why you wasting your time to post?The problem with sk is that the difficulty of the game is determined from the ce price.Its not stable and that making the players confused.If we knew from the start this game's level difficulty few people will making raging threads.Changes always produce effects..
Sun, 08/26/2012 - 23:07
#67
"When CE hits 14-16k cr (since that is how much a non-elevator pass person makes with 100mist doing 2 FSC runs) and new players get extremely put off by that, quit, and cause the game to die due to lack of influx of new players, we'll see how you guys call that as 'normal CE price'."
Baka. That's what a 'Free market' is for and also what 'Promos' are for.
Promos reduce the CE price, even if only by a little, and I highly doubt OOO is going to stop them any time soon.
If the CE price get's too high to bear, sellers will find less buyers, and be forced to reduce their prices.
Also, you underestimate how thickskinned people can get when it comes to dealing with things. If said people enter the game with a high CE price, they'll think that the CE price is usually like that, and deal with it. Just like how when I got here, 6K was cheap and 7K was norm, when people used to have 3K as the norm.
Others, not so much.
Mon, 08/27/2012 - 00:53
#68
Yeah, they'll think CE price
Yeah, they'll think CE price is usually this high...for maybe the first 5-10minutes, following which they hear from others or they come to the forums and read topics like this that CE prices used to be way lower, and after seeing how little JK/RT pays out per run and how many runs they have to do just to get that precious 100CE, we'll see if they can still 'deal with it' then.
Free market? More like, 'Please manipulate me moar!' market.
Mon, 08/27/2012 - 02:56
#69
If you want to have more fun, spend $.
Buy energy or better, an elevator pass. Otherwise you do what everyone else (other than those putting down some $) does and grind or craft with your mist and wait for it to recharge. Sure, you can moan that 6 months ago CE prices were 6k, and 12 months ago they were under 4k so earlier F2P players had it easier, but that's their luck, deal.
Why are CE prices so high? Because not enough people are spending $ on CE. Promos have been less effective and will continue to be ineffective at lowering CE prices until OOO does two things: 1. Release content to attract new players and bring back those effectively in retirement. 2. find an effective crown sink other than UVs.
To me, what's more alarming now than CE prices is proving how difficult it is to sell UV items and such in the game. The trade channel is flooded with WTS notices for pretty decent to down-right excellent equipment, with few people buying. WTB notices are very rare other than low-ballers. IMO this is a definite sign the game is struggling as several players are selling out, and there's no new blood coming in to invest in decent toys. (SK is currently 2nd last in Steam's F2P list. TF2 is last probably solely because everyone who's going to be playing it is already playing it.)
My $0.02
Mon, 08/27/2012 - 05:02
#70
true stuff
Well I remember when CE used to be like 4.3k cr and I wouldn't mind AT ALL if it went down to that price again. I mean. 8.4k? Kinda hurts in the pocket. Especially since JK runs only give you 2.5k per full run (including boss). I mean, with Vana it sure helps for the T3 people because that run gives you, (I've heard) around 10k cr. So THEY have no problem. It's just hard for the T2 people to get CE because T2 missions don't give much loot. The highest I've gotten on a full run was 3.2k cr.
Anyways I just wanted to point this out because as I said. 8.4k cr for 100 ce is kind of ridiculous. Everyone should try to think about the little guys everyone once in a while and try to help them out.
That's all I wanted to say.
Mon, 08/27/2012 - 07:39
#71
Oh please
You can get 1000 of CE, with time.
Let me put it simple for you.
F2P-ers use time to get CE
P2P-ers use real money to get CE
If you want something you without paying real money you're gonna spend some time playing Spiral Knights.
There's no such thing as "Quick Money". If you want quick money, you're gonna need to sell your stuff.
Mon, 08/27/2012 - 07:55
#72
UGH, this is really getting annoying.
@Material-Girl
GOOD IDEA! LET'S PAY 50000$ SO WE CAN HAVE FUN WITH THIS HALF-F2P GRINDFEST! IM TOTALLY NOT FORCED TO PAY REAL MONEY FOR IT! Have you ever considered that's why new players don't come?!
I just realized something, the problem of this game in't the CE prices themselves. It's the fact that the whole game is dependent on it, whatever if it's the f2p part or not. Instead of complaining about the Ce prices and try to reduce them, how about we try to find a way to stop making the CE necessary at all, and just to make it only as a way to buy accessories and costumes or just to skip grinding? I still don't get how you people don't think about this... Seriously, step it up.
Mon, 08/27/2012 - 09:17
#73
Ultimate guy
i once a player named gaiman opening 35 solstice boxes :O
Mon, 08/27/2012 - 09:39
#74
@trying
[Edited]
Seriously your contributing nothing and getting on my nerves.
[Message from the Game Master: DO NOT post personal attacks, or anything intended to insult or belittle another person]
Mon, 08/27/2012 - 13:27
#75
@MeleepayneI do hope Eury
@Meleepayne
I do hope Eury sees your post soon so we dont have to look at it. Against the ToS, acting like a 10 year old and you're contributing nothing. Pretty much everything you said Trying was doing, when he at least pointed out flaws in other people's arguments.
Anyways back on topic:
(I can't believe I'm saying this again...)
The CE price is trying to equal out with the CR income AVERAGE that players rake in. It won't likely hit 14k Just because all the 5* players can get that in 2 FSC runs. If it did, there would be no profit/gains on either side, and it would just be pointless, not to mention LESS people would buy it because not EVERYONE has access to KoA/FSC or has the ability/gear to complete it with no deaths.
Also the price wont drop so low as 4k because if it did, then the inflation of CR as currency would be incredibly high. Also It would still produce an uneven gain, as nearly everyone who is part of the demand for CE (2* and higher) would be able to purchase it, depleting the supply to a literal zero if the price was really set that low.
Right now, its pretty equal to the Supply and Demand. Anyone with 100Mist and is in the demand for the use of CE has the ability to allocate all of that into profit.
For those that STILL think its too high, go take an Economics course or something.
EDIT:
I got some more time.
So you all say "Well it was 3k before, why isnt it now!!!!" Well that's because there weren't as many people with access to Tier 3, or the knowledge that FSC brought in the most cash. Mix that in with the tons of Steam players coming in, along with many of them buying CE, and selling it for crowns impatiently (I'm guilty of it), essentially dropped the price down. Now all of those players left, or are at the right level to get to KoA/FSC, so the overall average income of the game rose, and the CE price had to with it.
Mon, 08/27/2012 - 13:35
#76
HOLY CRAP! I JUST THOUGHT OF SOMETHING!
How does Darth Vader use the bathroom??? O_o
reeally, CE prices are high. Nothing u can do about it, just play SK until its too high and we all rage quit and SK become one of those Broken MMOs at the bottom of the multiplayer list. Move on guys.
Mon, 08/27/2012 - 21:38
#77
Meh
This has been discussed so many times in the past.
I also wasn't very pleasant about CE prices bouncing up so quickly.
Im not sure about you guys but I got used to it long time ago...
Just 1 thing...
Be patient
...Is needed.
Mon, 08/27/2012 - 22:31
#78
Here's my opinion
Hi, I'm a new player (just joined last week) and I want to say the CE prices are manageable for me at the moment. However, I am a bit alarmed at the rate that it is increasing. Last week it was at around 8.3k. Now it's at 8.5k. I think it would get to be a serious issue if it continues to rise because it will become like stocks. People might buy cheap then sell high, ultimately driving the economy to crash.
I like Deltikon's idea that CE should be made an optional component of the game. Crafting costs should be able to be paid with crowns as well as CE. That way, Three Rings can cap the price of CE (ex. crafting a 2* costs 50 CE or 5k crs). The extra promo stuff can still be exclusively CE bought. This accomplishes several things:
1. CE is still worth buying since it saves grinding time and gives extra accessories (and Three Rings get $$$)
2. The CE people bought with crowns will not lose their value as a result
3. CE trading will eventually die off or level at the cap price since raising it higher is stupid. This also deters investors.
4. No need to change crown drops or other clockworks elements.
5. Most importantly, there should be no whining. The cap should be made to be around the current price, so previously bought CE were probably a good deal. Newer players have no reason to complain since the price wouldn't drop anyways if it weren't capped.
Tue, 08/28/2012 - 00:39
#79
0kay with it 0u0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0
I'm just going to listen to this while I run the RJP three times a day.
Totally normal.
Not that the 15% Energy Bonus did work or anything.
Tue, 08/28/2012 - 01:53
#80
@Cradarc
Finally, someone else than has a brain posted on this thread! It's not the CE price's fault, it's the economy system's fault.
EDIT: And while it's on it, also the elevator costs could be removed. The CE prices can go as high as they want, but no-one will care. At least I won't.
Tue, 08/28/2012 - 14:34
#81
"There is something you get
"There is something you get at the end of boss runs called "tokens". Have you heard that they can be traded in?"
Tokens just move crowns, the levels create crowns. Supply and demand wise, there is a difference. Just sayin'
Tue, 08/28/2012 - 14:44
#82
I think I'm gonna pull a Chris and report that post.
Tue, 08/28/2012 - 15:54
#83
So...
Where did chris go? What about jim-dale? All the popular kids vanished.
I'm out of the loop, just hopping back on for a day...
Tue, 08/28/2012 - 16:52
#84
Some F2P Players are damn richer than P2P
Just look at Nalrayi he's completely F2P Except for that 10 dollars he spent one time xD and just look at how much stuff crowns and gear he has and he's F2P But he took his time and he has 21 million crowns so there ya go F2P Can be richer than **** and are you new here?because there's a guide to getting 5 STAR While being F2P
Tue, 08/28/2012 - 17:11
#85
>completely F2P Except for that 10 dollars he spent one time
Then he's not a f2per. And who are you quoting exactly?
Tue, 08/28/2012 - 17:14
#86
Hmm 10 Dollars would probably
Hmm 10 Dollars would probably just to be Craft something and you're point?by the way i can ask him what he spent the 10 dollars for if you'd like as long as he's online xD
Tue, 08/28/2012 - 17:19
#87
$10 gives you two free 2* crafts everyday
Tue, 08/28/2012 - 17:21
#88
lol
lol
But instead of people selling CE cheaper, buyers who are too impatient to set a price lower than the best one and wait should do that... Seriously, I've played with the spaghetti knights and even they said it was too bloody expensive to buy right now. And people keep complaining about the CE prices, yet, they still keep buying. I honestly don't get it... and I do buy directly the energy sometimes... but only because i need it right now... >.>