Spiral Knights - Let's be honest guys...

Let's be honest guys...

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Sat, 09/01/2012 - 13:45

#101

Njthug

@Deltikon Oh these Dev's care

@Deltikon

Oh these Dev's care a lot they want you to enjoy life as well since life is a great game before hasbro ruined it. Your personal issues with your parents sound problematic you should talk to someone about it and get those issues sorted out. Hey, whatever you do when your not playing Spiral Knights is none of my business, but when I am not playing im either enjoying life or "working". Oh, and that point-of-view is very old, but your pretty new to the community I guess.

Sat, 09/01/2012 - 13:47

#102

Giovi

Okay

I can deal with everything being Energy. My only problem is trying to play Clockworks. I still don't think it's fair that I have to spend 10 Energy every time I want to play another level. The only other option is PvP which is a lot of fun but you have to pay a 200 crown entry fee. You don't even win any crowns when you lose. Only Winners get 280 crowns which is basically 80 crowns because you are most likely going to play again.

In conclusion, my only problem is the 10 energy fee and the 200 crown fee.

Sat, 09/01/2012 - 13:59

#103

Njthug

@Giovi --- Try blast network payout is better if you solo play, but you have to be good and win ofc. 10 energy to go down the elevator is how the game is if you have an issue you can do the following:

1. Wait for your mist-energy
2. Buy ce with crowns (dont need to buy 100 try buying 10 ce)
3. Buy an elevator pass (lasts for 30 days, but allows you to run the elevators free of cost)
4. You can go beg people for money
5. You can attempt to hack someone or scam (I dont recommend this)
6. Buy Ce with real money.
7. Mooch off a friend
8. Sell materials for ce
9. Sell items for ce
10. Beat up Boswick for ce

Sat, 09/01/2012 - 14:40

#104

Deltikon

@Njthug

And yet, you think it's a good idea to a company to tell their own players to bug off unless you pay money for them. They don't care about a person's life, they care about money these days. And with that insult, I can only guess that you're mad.

Oh, and about your solutions?

1. stop playing the game for a day because that's how devs "care" about us.
2. lose all your progress you've done to grind more.
3. buy with real moni or get out.
4. become a BR
5. l33x hax0rz t3H !nterw3bZ l!k3 a pr0. (i know you're not serious with this one)
6. buy with real moni or get out
7. become a BR
8. lose progress
9. lose progress
10. become a violent BR.

Or in short, if you don't want to wait, grind more or pay real moni. Or be an annoying BR and ask moni to people while threating them with repots and obnoxious laughs. Because that's how we want the game to be, right?

Sat, 09/01/2012 - 14:48

#105

Njthug

Baby you're all that I want

I never saw Three Rings telling their own players to bug off unless you pay money. If you saw this please show me a screen-shot it be nice =). They give you 100 mist-energy daily and whatever you do the rest of the day like going outside is up 2 you, seems to me they just want all of us to have fun outside or do something more productive, but if you dont wish too at all or just get done with this game faster (In the sense just full 5* gear feel free to use a credit card since time is money). I am not upset man most companies care about money, most people care about money profits is what runs companies such as Sega without profit they cant survive. If you tell me that you dont care about money well that is great for you man, but in the real-world money runs everything.

Your list is nice, but I think mine is better.

Sat, 09/01/2012 - 15:18

#106

Deltikon

Replying to a succubus, apparently.

I didn't said that you said that, I just said that you were being silly about it and just said the devs' most likely intention, without the twist of them "caring about us". And what if I still want to play the game, do I really have to throw my progress or wallet away so I can do that? You think people are happy with it? Maybe the most foolish ones, but I'm no fool, unlike you may think. And certainly neither are the new players, therefore not seeing many of them after a couple of days after the game being introduced somewhere new.

And let me tell something honey, devs back in the time would actually care more about making good games than money. Nowadays they just try to milk their own costumers and try to appeal to the "wider audience", therefore all those brown and gloom casualized shootans and a bunch of other inferior 1-day DLC/abusive DRM quality games thanks to the little twerps that buy cawodoodly and angry birds. Because they just eat anything that devs throw in the plate. And in this case, they could have made it much better than putting an "ingenious" way to make people either grind forever or pay real money.

And while your list might be nicer, mine shows what it really means.

Oh, and by the way. You still don't know how to properly use "you're" and "your". Shameful really, since English is not even my maternal language and yet I know how to use them better than you.

Sat, 09/01/2012 - 16:02

#107

Njthug

When you're lyin' here in my arms

Baby, I dont want to see your panties all bunched up it doesnt look classy on you at all. I wasnt being silly about it man the dev's want you to go outside and have fun they arent putting a gun to your head and forcing you to buy ce are they? (If they are my friend you might need to see a doctor). You arent throwing your wallet or progress away like I said you can play all you wish to with your 100 mist-energy a day. Ah, so you somehow keep track of all the new players funny since I see a lot of them daily, I guess we have a different definition of new.

Funny thing is we have a lot of great online games, and even though you are here crying over Spiral Knights many of us are playing it and having fun. I never knew that making profit is so wrong, but hey I guess some of us like to live in a box and others like to live in a mansion. You can hate all you want on companies trying to make profit, but anyways let me know if your ever in the job market since I would love someone working for me who doesnt want any type of compensation.

Ah my list is sexy, but your list just seems like its filled up with bottled up rage.

I never care to proof-read on the internet unless I really have 2. <69 thanks for proof-reading my work means a lot baby.

Sat, 09/01/2012 - 16:30

#108

Weegeeftws

Y u no sell me your Cheese!?!?!?!

I'm on my 10th tissue. Please, keep going.
Whut?... The bond between you two is so beautiful, I'm crying T-T

If I have to be topical though. I like the Energy system. Especially since I am in college. It allows me to have my daily dose of gaming then go and do work/study. I'm afraid if they take it out I'll just sit on my laptop all day.... well... a lot more anyway.
Also i buy CE all the time. I don't know whether that will annoy you though, I hope it does. Please Devs, allow me to help pay for whatever expenses may come your way. You give me a great game, you can have my great not exactly green cash.

Not that I'm really here to be on topic. I came to see love. I saw it. I cried tears of joy and hope. So now, Bye-bye!

~The Mighty Cheese Knight; WeeGee

Sat, 09/01/2012 - 16:42

#109

Virtuewis

Pretty much what Weegeeftws said^

This game is optional lol. What is so hard for people to understand about that? F2P = no room to complain about ANYTHING. P2P can demonstrate disapproval with their IRL moneys. That's the bottom line. As NJthug was saying, no one is forcing you to play the game...

And those stoics who would choose the argument of "making profit is immoral" should reconsider. Making profit isn't immoral. Sacrificing human rights for profit is immoral. Saying that profit is immoral (by itself) is like saying that eating dinner is immoral. OOO is doing nothing wrong. If they were doing the wrong things, none of us would be talking about this game or playing it at all.

Sat, 09/01/2012 - 16:45

#110

Doctorspacebar

Both of you, knock it off!

Now, the CE Price is high. That's not good, because new players get driven away by it, subtracting Funds from OOO and potential Funs from them. It is a problem, Nj.

However, ad-hominem insults are not going to solve this (I'm lookin' at you, Deltikon). Rather, we need actual ideas that help to balance the price, such as putting King of Ashes on par with other Tier 3 stratums; Danger Missions are tough enough to justify the higher payout, but FSC already has Boss tokens and really doesn't need its current large payout. Another idea is improved crownsinks- perhaps an option to spend the Crowns equivalent of the CE cost of an item on the Supply Depot (perhaps still being able to use Mist) or Guild furniture/features/whatever that cost Crowns to use. (And CE Promos. With capes. You remember the times I've said that, right?)

See? Those are all working ideas, Deltikon. And I didn't insult anybody to put them (back) on the table.

Yet another idea is to balance PvP gear, so people start paying to get UVs on more items. Meaning less crowns. But, of course, that's just the Bomber in me talking. (So long, Sun Shards, my old friend.)

Finally, Nj, I'd appreciate it if you stop flirting with every user in sight. It's disturbing.

EDIT: @Virtuewis, I totally agree with you. Keep in mind, though, this is a game- different from real life- and the prices are a problem; nobody in Tier 2 can progress unless they grind the heck outta Royal Jelly Palace.

Sat, 09/01/2012 - 16:48

#111

Deltikon

Oh you, you gorgeous fiend. <4

I'm not saying that they do that, but you're right, they don't literally force you to pay money to play the game. HOWEVER, they DO force you to either spend your progress or your own wallet in order to continue to play the game without having to wait, and that's what drives many new people off the game.

Also just because something is fun doesn't mean it's not garbage, and much least should be used as an excuse for being so. Fun is just a buzzword that devs and people throw when it comes to describe a game's quality to attract the casual audience. And I never was against a company's profits, I was just trying to say that this game can be better than an almost-korean-tier-grindfest-"free"-to-play game, and that basing the whole game on cash currency is a terrible, stupid idea. And honestly, I'd rather prefer to work for EA rather than for some insane little girl that seems to have weird fetishes with me, and that means a lot, knowing that EA is the worst, most evil videogame company known to humanity.

And if telling the truest of truths is raging, then I can only guess that I must be painfully butthurt, accordingly to your silly delusions.

Stay mad little girl.

EDIT: I can't believe I am 3 posts late, but whatever.

Sat, 09/01/2012 - 17:10

#112

Deltikon

Even so, I'd like to tell a few things to you 3.

@Weegeeftws
I'm glad you enjoyed the show, but it's your fault for you not being capable of managing your own time, so please don't use the fatigue system as your "saviour". And if you read the post above, I'm not complaining about a company making profit, I'm complaining the WAY they're making profit. Learn to read, yes?

@Virtuewis
What, you think f2pers matter less than p2pers? Hah, typical p2per logic. If you tell them to go away, you'll be telling their wallets to go away too. Is it a good way to make money? As for the rest, read above.

@Doctorspacebar
I wasn't exactly bashing other people's ideas, just their silly arguments on how this economic system consisted entirely with cash currency is a good thing. And if I actually was, then I apologize. But really, a system revolving around real cash currency, even on progress, is plain stupid in my opinion.

And I don't disagree with the idea of nerfbatting FSC's income, who said I did? :s
Anyways, for crown sinks, the idea of buying mist tanks with crowns on supply depot will only work if the mist tank's price is LOWER than on the market, otherwise people will simply not buy from there. I'd say 5K would be a fair price, and it's not very hard to obtain on a full run of tier 2. I agree with the guild furnitures and stuff like that costing crowns and mats. And yes, I've seen you hear that many times, but what I wouldn't give for a neat camo costumes... ;_;

And if you really want balanced lockdown, we have to nerf the average toothpick striker somehow. Only way to make it more enjoyable for everyone.

And don't worry, she has weird fetishes, just like I do. Don't we all?

Sat, 09/01/2012 - 17:26

#113

Virtuewis

RJP is the solution!

@ Doctorspacebar: I agree, your method is WAY more healthy and rational. The good doctor has made the prescription for argument instead of fighting. NJ and Deltikon are fighting where they could be arguing. There is a huge difference, with arguing being more effective than fighting (when online) and fighting being (unfortunately) more effective than arguing (when IRL). What we need is good discourse! (If there even was a problem in the first place). The burden of defining the argument is on those who are dissatisfied with the game. The problem is that good, rational, coherent arguments, WITH appropriate suggestions have been few and far between. I commend the good Doctorspacebar for keeping the healthy dialogue on track.

Sat, 09/01/2012 - 17:33

#114

Deltikon

Your post...

...actually makes me remind of that guy who interrupts a fight between two stubborn guys. And of course both of them tell him to shut up. Heh, funny.

Anyways, welcome to the forum world. Your opinion is meaningless and mine is all it matters. It has been like this for several centuries and still going. A single post is not going to change anything on that. Enjoy your stay.

Sat, 09/01/2012 - 17:35

#115

Virtuewis

@ Deltikon

I didn't say F2P doesn't matter, I just said that they have no ground to stand on for their complaints. Let me show you how weak this statement is:

"Hah, typical p2per logic. If you tell them to go away, you'll be telling their wallets to go away too. Is it a good way to make money?"

If you tell them (F2P'ers) to go away (which I never told anyone to "go away" lol), you'll be telling their wallets to go away too... (but F2P'ers don't USE their wallets, so OOO and apparently ALL PEOPLE who have EVER payed ANYTHING for this game are going to suffer somehow from the absence of a wallet that never gets used?... so what? lol). Is it a good way to make money?"

I can only say this: No, telling random people to "go away" for no reason is not a good way to make money. Relying on F2P'ers for real money transactions is also a NOT GOOD way to make money.

Also, I'm a F2P'er for the most part. I have bought CE a couple times... does that make me into a P2P'er? I see myself as "in the middle" and completely unbiased. Just relax and keep it a discussion or argument... not a fight.

Sat, 09/01/2012 - 17:48

#116

Deltikon

And well, since you're on it.

"If you tell them (F2P'ers) to go away (which I never told anyone to "go away" lol), you'll be telling their wallets to go away too... (but F2P'ers don't USE their wallets, so OOO and apparently ALL PEOPLE who have EVER payed ANYTHING for this game are going to suffer somehow from the absence of a wallet that never gets used?... so what? lol). Is it a good way to make money?""
p2pers don't use their wallets... yet. They could spend money if they like the game, but unfortunately, the abusive grinding and the energy limitation really disgusts most of them, and choose not to, if not even playing the game at all. Also you're funny for taking everything literally.

"I can only say this: No, telling random people to "go away" for no reason is not a good way to make money. Relying on F2P'ers for real money transactions is also a NOT GOOD way to make money."
Oh, this wasn't for the devs directly, it was for YOU people. Seriously, every time there's a complaining thread, all you say is "if you don't like it, leave it". And it actually is somewhat, since some f2pers can be potential CE buyers too.

"Also, I'm a F2P'er for the most part. I have bought CE a couple times... does that make me into a P2P'er? I see myself as "in the middle" and completely unbiased. Just relax and keep it a discussion or argument... not a fight."
Nah, you are certainly p2per. You paid money to get goods on the game right? That automatically makes you a p2per.

And since while I'm on it:

"F2P = no room to complain about ANYTHING"
This was the main reason why I said that. Most of you p2pers think you are "entitled" to be superior to f2pers. Maybe on looking fancier, but certainly not when criticizing a game.

Sat, 09/01/2012 - 17:59

#117

Njthug

And love is all that I need

I just post on this topic to hear my lover Deltikon get all fuzzy inside =).

@Deltikon --- So, your logic is this:

Three Rings forces you to either spend your crowns to gain Crystal Energy (which paying players buy) since you dont want to wait that long to get to end-game content, and you dont want to be forced into paying for this game.

^
Seems to me that you dont wish to even invest time into this game, and you call Three Rings greedy/evil even though you wish to play a game absolutely free and still desire to get to end-game content as fast as p2p players. Babe, I knew you were a selfish-lover, but this is just way 2 selfish!!

This game is doing well already, yes their is always room for improvement, but this game is fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun <--- I love this buzzword. Ooo I am a girl now its great and little wow =0 I work for the devil its so much FUN <69.

I am not a mad little girl I am just apparently a little girl that is having way 2 much fun with you.

<69 Baby

Sat, 09/01/2012 - 18:01

#118

Virtuewis

@ Deltikon: Say what you mean.

When having a legitimate (as per Doctorspacebar's recommendation) argument, it is wise to SAY WHAT YOU MEAN. You say I was being "too literal" but ... that's why it's important to actually SAY WHAT YOU MEAN.

That's fine if I classify as P2P'er. I don't really care, I'm just mentioning that there's a continuum of F2P - P2P. So, fine, I'm a p2p'er. I don't think I'm "entitled" to anything. I'm not the one that is complaining lol. I'm trying to help YOU understand that your complaints are irrational if you take them literally. If you don't want me to take them literally, then SAY WHAT YOU MEAN.

The thing that I'm saying (as a P2P'er who, regardless of that "fact", is STILL not entitled to anything from OOO) is that F2P players are NO MORE ENTITLED than I AM (which, to remind you, I'm willing to admit to ZERO entitlements). What I'm saying is this:

P2P and F2P have equal entitlements.
P2P = ZERO entitlements
F2P = ZERO entitlements

NOT

P2P = ZERO entitlements
F2P = MORE THAN ZERO entitlements (which is what you are fighting for).

As I said, I don't buy CE regularly, except with cr. I am equally invested in accessible, low cr costing CE just as much as any F2P'er. Does that make sense?

Sat, 09/01/2012 - 19:57

#119

Weegeeftws

Y u no sell me your Cheese!?!?!?!

Wow, I came to have a lil bit of fun and I get told that I can't read and can't manage my time. If you took me seriously when I said I'd probably be sitting on my laptop all day then you need to bring your idiocy down a notch. I'm sure even a baboon would be able to tell I was kidding. Seriously. Hostile much?

Man you guys are debby downers the CE price is high, you need to grind for the crowns blah blah blah. All i see is negativity, I get you wanna make this game into a good one but can't we at least see a little positivity from time to time.
The fatigue system won't be going, the very idea of it is just silly, it's the core of this game, it's how it works. Sure it might be hard to get going but once you're going you're gone! How's about you guys do what the rest of us had to do (three times in my case), suck it up and get on with it instead of putting selfish suggestions up on the forum. Seriously. It doesn't matter how low the CE price gets. It will always be too high. It's always been that way, because for some reason no one has anything to do but play this game therefore they feel they should get the one thing that actually make OOO money for free or at least a price which is low enough to be able to buy like I dunno 1000CE with 2cr or some shizz.... /sigh

Also about the whole reading thing I can't be bothered doing that! Your posts are SO depressing you might as well have just shot my dog, although I gotta admit, I don't have one. (>.> I shoulda just kept my mouth shut. like seriously. Now I feel down T-T)

~The Mighty Cheese Knight; WeeGee

Sat, 09/01/2012 - 20:12

#120

Wodanct

Wonder how people would

Wonder how people would adjust to not having elevator passes and not having the mission system to instant warp to boss stages like the older times. Would be interesting to see since all I really do is the daily prestige, then blow off my mist bribing in LD that I only started to just play. Then log off.

Sat, 09/01/2012 - 20:20

#121

Virtuewis

+1 Wodanct

Haters gonna hate, no matter what OOO does. If anything, it's a sign that their game is appealing to a broader base that is still getting used to how the system works. I agree though, back in the arcade days this rage would have been unstoppable!

Sat, 09/01/2012 - 20:26

#122

Thunderbog

@Virtuewis

Back in the arcade days they'll never stop complaining the same thing.

Sat, 09/01/2012 - 20:58

#123

Virtuewis

@ Thunderbog

True dat. I guess the more things change... the more they stay the same. /dodges tomatoes

Sat, 09/01/2012 - 21:24

#124

Oroseira

No.

Bad Deltikon.

I see that someone has created a total mess for me to clean up. Let me just state that changing the energy economy is going to DESTROY THE GAME. If you do such a thing, then your just going to cause this game to become P2P and all the free players will have to be forced to buy energy or leave, and then all the P2Pers are going to leave too because they have nobody to pick on, so the entire game will die. Your just turning into another forum sin that nobody wants to have happen again. Powx6 was bad, but this?

Completely unacceptable. I have no point in seeing something good coming out of this thread. It's just best if this was graveyarded and all this madness ended.

Sat, 09/01/2012 - 21:27

#125

Serell

...

"I see that someone has created a total mess for me to clean"
Way to be egotistical, person who said he quit only for attention.

Sat, 09/01/2012 - 21:50

#126

Griseolar

@Cobalt-Star

You're, not your. Yeesh, people expecting us to take them seriously when they can't even get THAT right...

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 10:35

#127

Derpules

3 pages in

and I still don't know what's so bad about having limited play time per day. Delitkon has yet to explain it.

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 10:44

#128

Niichi

Just a thought, but don't most F2P games eventually put a pay wall in the face of the F2P crowd that's more than just mere cosmetics? Sure, some might get away with pure cosmetics but for the most part you're hit with fatigue systems or certain features (eg items, locations, skills, slots etc) locked off until you pay either with real money direct or some kind of trade with a player that has paid real money.

That's not to say the SK economy in regards to the energy system isn't without flaws. It could be tuned to help make the experience feel less grindy and lopsided towards existing "rich" players, but I don't think the fundamentals of the system itself are outright broken. Hell, the game's been going for over a year at least with this model and it's still around. There's got to be at least some merit to the business model they're using.

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 11:06

#129

Oroseira

Just a good thought..

..learn to economize, will you?

@Serell Don't think I'm not on to you. Even if you are on my friend list, I have the power to remove you.

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 11:18

#130

Softhead

Don't think I'm not on to

Don't think I'm not on to you. Even if you are on my friend list, I have the power to remove you.

And he cares how?

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 12:44

#131

Jakmad

Now now Atrum...

Lets not feed the trolls...

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 14:37

#132

Shadownox

Honk honk. Make way for the dead bunny.

Woo! That was fun! :D Spending half an hour reading all that? Yeeha! Deltikon, u should be a comedian! ;D

On a more serious note...

I just want to say that OOO would not want you to continuosly play the game, because that would bore you very quickly and it would make you finish the game quicker. That's why there is the mist limit each day, so you can spread it out. People who want to keep playing can either buy CE or play PvP.

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 15:42

#133

Deltikon

@Derpules

People may want to play for longer, but the energy thing doesn't let them without spending their progress on CE. Or in other words. You either spend your progress to grind more, wait, or pay real money if you want to play for longer. Isn't it obvious?

@Niichi
It's true, there's plenty of mmos that do this sort of thing, but that doesn't mean this one should be like so...
And honestly I don't think it will last for very long, considering that the CE prices are constantly increasing making the game a grindfest for f2pers, all because the whole game is dependent on it. The system could actually, and perhaps truly work if the game wasn't so much dependent on it.

@Cobalt-Star
I didn't said to just drop the fatigue system and that's it. I also implied to make everything gameplay-wise accessible by crowns for everyone, while keeping truly optional stuff, mainly cosmetics, as CE exclusive.

@Shadownox (sniped lel)
That's actually sort of true. A man who loves chocolates will always feel good after eating one per day. But eating a while stack of them everyday would make him fed up. Also makes him fat faster. But what it also could help is to make more varied level types, or on the comparison, more different candy. Candlestick keep was a good example, gotta love them spooky ghosts. Danger missions is also a cool addition, despise it can only be done once per day on your own... It just needs more, and more frequently new content to keep the people excited. I even consider making a new damage type, along with new monsters, but I still haven't thought about it well enough yet...

And plus, the game is pretty addicting, a natural thing on mmos. I doubt that people will just leave faster...

Also thanks for showing I have talent for comedian. I should just need to start spouting memes and silly jokes to be the greatest comedian of the world. :p

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 14:59

#134

Shadownox

Honk honk. Make way for the dead bunny.

@Deltikon

True. I am getting kinda bored, since they haven't updated in a while. I've started playing an old game again...which updates quite frequently, actually. (shh! Don't tell anybody! D:)

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 15:01

#135

Deltikon

What game?

I'm actually curious. :c

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 15:05

#136

Shadownox

Honk honk. Make way for the dead bunny.

AQ worlds. xD You just do quests and all, and to attack monsters, you just keep clicking your attack button...over...and over...but the game is suprisingly addicting. :P I got dragged into it a couple years ago by a friend who made me an account. The next day, my account was totally changed, cuz he logged on and did stuff cuz he was bored. >.> So I made another account, a year later, saw a SpiralKnights add on infoplease.com while doing homework, searched it up on Google, asked my mom if I could make an account, 1 and a half years later, and here I am. Derp.

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 15:16

#137

Deltikon

Oh god.

I actually played that too. Well, until I actually got bored of the game play, since turn based RPGs aren't exactly my thing (except for the mario ones, goddamn, you have to play bowser's insder story, fun as hell! Not mmo though but who cares?). Either that, or it was some silly thing about you having to become premium in order to get on the server more quickly. Which i found very stupid.

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 15:25

#138

Serell

@Cobalt-Star

On to me? About what? And I didn't know you were on my friends list.....threatening to remove me?.... why should I care if you're quitting? I don't even remember you so it wouldn't matter anyway. All I know is you called the community stupid and said you quit, and then you came here acting all high and mighty. Lol. You quitting or was that thread just for attention?

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 17:45

#139

Oroseira

@Deltikon

You sir, are the worst troll ever. We are not getting rid of something that has been there since the beginning of SK so this thread can go to the graveyard.

Sun, 09/02/2012 - 20:02

#140

Wodanct

This thread went from

This thread went from somewhat interesting to just plain... Lost my train of though back to sleep.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 01:37

#141

Derpules

@Deltikon

"People may want to play for longer, but the energy thing doesn't let them without spending their progress on CE. Or in other words. You either spend your progress to grind more, wait, or pay real money if you want to play for longer. Isn't it obvious?"

Yes, it is obvious that some players may want to play for longer without having to buy CE with cr or $ (or buying an ele pass). What's not obvious is why this is such an awful thing. What is wrong with having limited play time per day? What is so EVIL about having to log off and come back later?

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 06:10

#142

Selenium

@Deltikon

Oh, no you don't.

The system you're proposing (Premium cosmetics, time-> in game currency as the only income source for players) sounds a lot like Neopets. You DO NOT EVER EVER EVER want to replicate that economy. (And after playing it on and off for ~7.5 years, I'm fairly confident that it's irreparably broken.) Why? Inflation. Right now, it takes 8+4+2+1 days (in energy, if you're at the level where you're buying gear with no forethought then you probably have the spare crowns and mats) to get a sword from 1* (or craft a 2*) to 5*. On Neopets, it takes... Well, assuming an average income of 50k Neopoints (Neopets crown equivalent), it would take 220 days to save up for ONE of the high-level swords. Note that I said "high-level". The highest-level weapon is the Super Attack Battle Pea, coming in at upwards of 300 million (6000 days with the aforementioned income rate).

And besides, RJP (excluding boss) pays ~2.2k, right? 2.2 x 5 (the max amount of runs you can do with one tank) is 11k, easily enough to buy more CE. Assuming CE prices of 8.6k (last bid I made), that's a profit of 2.4k/CE batch and still allows infinite play.

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