I'm not against ranged sword-charges per se, it just seems incredibly irritating to me that about 50% of all swords have some way of damaging you at distance. I would be perfectly fine if only a few specialized swords would overlap - in fact, I love that guns are not just guns and bombs not just bombs, and that they play vastly differently because of that - but the whole point is, virtually every sword that is of any use has some sort of long-range charge attack(save for flourish, which is most of the time replaced by its cousin snarble barb, which again shoots bullets). Then there's the heavy sword-lines noone uses 'cause they stink against sealed swords and its DLC-cousin, which essentially does the same charge attack twice, but with flash-step between each application, essentially making YOU the bullet.

I really don't want to steal away the variety, because that would be pretty idiotic. I don't want to limit each weapon to their respective types either, because their differences between attack and charges IS what makes them unique and diferent to use, after all.
However, my main complaint really is that while every other weapon type has specialized weapons kinda overlapping with others, it's almost a standard at swords that they are gun substitutes, too. There are 2 gun-lines focusing on AOE(the Bark Module weapons, of course), and one pretty explicitely purposed for close combat. All of them were guns, but fitted different roles, namely crowd control and melee. However, both also were special at how they did it: You couldn't swing your autogun all around or have some mobility, it's stationary. And both polaris and catalyzer don't have the range of a normal bomb, but that's okay, given you can simply shoot them at the enemy without fuse. The crystal bombs were fun, as they were guns, but kinda weren't. They shot in all directions, but had a delay, making them vastly different to actual guns.
However, swords play just as long-range as guns do. They look different, sure, but in effect, you could as well use a gun instead of the charge attack and have the exact same effect. In fact, give Argent Peacemaker and Sentenza the sealed sword-charge attacks: The charge-attack feels PERFECTLY in place. In fact, replace the current charge-attacks of the antiguas with the sealed ones, if we're at it. Much better than the faux-autogun charge attack with bird at the end. Turn the sword into a bird!
My other complaint is that swords aren't specialized as ranged-damagers, swords are part-gun to begin with! As I said, over 50%. I would be okay if sealed swords gain some upgraded charge of the first in the line, and brandishes some sweet flashy close-range weapons, and have the snarble barb and the winmillion(it just makes sense to include the spur-line, it brags with the ability and it would give it a reason to be used) be the specialized gun-swords... and then go full gun-sword with it, not just some random sword that happens to shoot bullets on its charge, but maybe a sword that propels you forward on each and every attack or maybe has a flashy long-range combo finish. THAT's how a gunsword should be: Not fully functional sword and fully functional gun in one thing, but rather a mixed mutant.

And i don't care about this whole "Bu-But players, swords are supposed to be all alrounder and stuff..." Why does it even be like that to begin with in games? Why are other weapons so damn inferior to swords? Why is the sword always the jack-of-all-stats? Why does the hero carry a sword? It's simply discriminating towards other weapon users. A game with 3 weapon classes shouldn't have some sort of favourite. It needs to be neutral about it.

This is just my viewpoint on that thing. I don't want to get rid of sword-bullets altogether, I actually just want to limit the amount of swords who can do that, because if you wanna have long-range, use a gun, or a sword that's specially made to satisfy your needs. I want variety, yes, and I want weird cross-weapons, yes, but if a whole weapon class just happens to steal the spotlight of another one by copying its defining abilities just because it can is too ridiculous for me.

Thus, I propose treating swords like everything else and instead of giving everything long range, have 1 or 2 weapon lines specially made to be a hybrid. Like the crystal bomb, that was a gun-bomb hybrid and you could tell by its whole arsenal(okay, only a charge attack, but you get what I mean). Or polaris and catalyzer, which were 2 unique bomb-guns where you could exactly tell they are hybrids. Or the autogun, which is pretty explicitely short-range. Avenger and co.? Attack like a heavy sword, charge attack of a gun. This is no real hybrid, it's just 2 weapons squeezed in one to me.

I don't want to simply stop the transitions of the different classes, that would be just stupid. It's just bugs me that about 50% of all swords, worse, the often used 50% of all swords have some sort of ranged charge attack. Other weapon classes have hybrid-weapons that offer the transition between multiple weapon types, but swords just kinda have it in their default arsenal. I mean what the hell? Swords are swords are swords are melee fighter weapons. You should use a hybrid-weapon, a specialized sword, if you want to have high melee damage and ranged damage at once. Right now every mentionable sword safe for flourish(which has snarble barb, again fitting the whole ranged-thing) and these normal-damage swords noone seems to ever use have a ranged charge-attack, thereby bypassing the swords only real jarring disadvantage. To me, it's like making bombs layable without charging, or guns with a charge attack that turns it into a melee weapon with massive knockback and damage. It's just ridiculous.

So yeah, I want the swords to be more sword than alldoing alrounder and instead having hybrids offering the transition(which would also make winmillions far more usable, after a huge buff and a last crafting segment added).

I don't want to remove variety alotgether, I just want to draw the line of swords to be sharper so that they are actually swords, and not just semi-hybrids that have two weapon-functionalitys into one, without special playstyle or drawback or whatever.

I hope I made the point clear and didn't misphrased it again.

Troika - Seems legit. Not too long-range oriented. The warmup is fast, and has range, but it still feels like an ordinary melee attack.
The rocket hammer - Dat damn flashstep... I think it does make the weapon almost a projectile weapon, because the way it propels you forward basically makes you a living cannon ball. Anyway, I'd say it's on the very last edge, and it even reflects on the normal attack-style, too: It sure would make a great hybrid-weapon, with the wielder being fast as a bullet, and hits with a slow troika-like weapon. I'll count it as hybrid here, but as a good one: If one has to stay, then this one fo' sure. However, it's DLC, so can we really count that one?
Flourish - You forgot that one here. Doesn't have a charge attack on distance. However...
Snarble Barb(Boss token) - ... his cousin clearly does, and endgamers prefer this one over floursih, especially because it blends with the Snarby-armor everyone likes to use because it looks awesome. However, it's also used over the flourish for the charge, too, which involves some spikes being thrown at the enemy.
Avengers - Next!
Fausts - Sucky at it(not the projectile itself, it's alright, I'm talking about the charge in the sense of the charge itself), but does the job if it has to be.
Brandishes - Does something even need to be said?
Fang of Vog - This one is a glorious exception, especially because it has its own unique style of being used. Namely, suicide-bombing. Nope, this here is no ranged attack and is an overall great weapon IMHO. It proves that short-range charge attacks can be unique, too.
Spur - Brags with it, sucks at bit. What a joke... and a rhyme, at that. Still, fires projectiles. Actually, it does seem to pretty explicitely designed as a hybrid.
Cutters - Nope.
Calibur - Normal damage brandish with short-range charge attack. Almost never gets used over the elemental swords.

If I do the math, and combine flourish and snarb barb because they are the same thing with different charge attacks respectively, we have 5.5/10(I regard rocket hammer as a very, VERY weird mix of propelling yourself forward and having slow attack speed, so I regard it as shooting yourself forward. Just take the 0.5 out if you have another opinion). Did I miss one? No, I think not. Even if we take the 0.5 of the rocket hammer out, we'd have 5/10, which equals, you guessed it, 50%. Even if we seperate the snarble barb and flourish(which is total nonsense, as they are really just variations from each other), it's still about 45,5%, still pretty damn close to 50%. Take the hammer out as DLC, and we get back at 50%. Too complicated? We just keep it at 45%, to compromise with you, okay?

Out of 11 swords, 5 differently working swords(I won't count the brandishes seperately, that would be unfair) with ranged charge-attack... you can't deny that's pretty frikkin' damn much. 3 of them are actively used, dunno about flourish/barb, but I think it's used quite often.
IMHO, we need to reduce it to at the very, very least 3, and even that would be a bit of an overkill(the numbers themself would be quite alright, but that would still mean either brandishes or a sealed sword would keep its unreasonable long-range attack). Better would be 2, with Spur and some other sword being fleshed out to fulfill the role to fight in ranged combat more. Or turning one of them into a compromise, essentially having 2.5(showing weapon-numbers as fractions. Problem?).

of course, I might have overseen something, so don't be shy and correct me if my calculations have some sort of flaw(like forgetting a few weapons)

I say that Gran Faust and Divine Avenger are too different to count as the same weapon, even though they share the same alchemy origin. They both are heavy swords, yes, but the whole debuff thing of the faust alone makes you play it so extremely differently I'd count them as seperate swords with the same origin. Then there are some other slight differences, like for example I heard that the Faust is a bit slower than the avenger, but I'm really nitpicking on these. The whole self-curse thing and the overall rather crappy charge attack makes it play differently than the avenger, because the avenger essentially encourages you to use the flying blades while the faust punishes you for doing so. Two swords, essentially similar, with the preference of normal/charge making out the difference.
However, if we break it down, the faust has this charge attack and CAN use the bullets. Yes, the negative effects and the fact it's only one sword make it blow rocks, but it's still something.

Alright, kinda overestimated the BTB's range. Thought of it being longer. However, one of my defining traits for guns is that they keep the enemy at bay, thereby explaining why I just can't count the flourish. And while the BTB-charge HAS the range of keeping enemys at bay a bit, it's just too small to actually count. My mistake then. Sorry 'bout that one.

The difference between troika and the hammer is the flashstep. While the troika lunges out and then charges at the enemy quite a bit, it still sort of feels like a single heavy attack. The rocket hammer and ultra-fast approaching feels more like some sort of pursue attack, almost as if you are shooting at an enemy your troika just kicked away. This is what makes it feel gun-like to me. However, as I already said, it's your choice to count it or not. I'd certainly count it as a half-example, because it's still way too unique to count as gun-substitute.

It's okay, you are just kinda pointing out what flaws my calculations could have. As long as you don't sound rough, I'm fine with it, as I actually requested you to point out my logic flaws.
So, I pretty certainly count Faust as seperate entry than the avenger and because it can charge a projectile, it stays as projectile-sword(doesn't matter how sucky it is, as long as you can damage someone at distance, it counts for me). Thus, we still have 40% if we put BTB and flourish together, which is still pretty reasonable, because they are just the same weapon with different charges(which seems stupid to me, but oh well. I don't make the game). Of 10 swords 4 of them with ranged charge, it still seems ridiculous to me. I'd still just change the sealed swords into something with less range in a straight line(I wouldn't mind turning them into bomb-like chargers however. With the great attack-range, and the fact that the actual sealed sword they all originate from made the first step with that weird seal on the ground, it would fit quite a bit imho. Of course, people could still say that they are overpowered then).

Well, I have no idea how it's supposed to work just right. Could work by being toggleable via button and then moving the cursor(the farther the cursor away from you is, the more the cam goes away from you. It's a bit like centering the camera around a point somewhere between knight and mouse. Well, I don't know).

The whole idea about keeping the current charges and instead adding more swords would turn out slightly problematic, given there already do seem to be more swords than other weapons. We have 10 differently working swords(as I said, I don't consider the BTB a unique weapon in its own right), 7 guns and, I'm no bomber, so I'm just guessing at that number, 6 bombs if I put all blast bombs together and summarize the vortexes as one weapon(it's really like the flourish/BTB-relation, with one being a bit harder to get, but otherwise only differs in damage type). I think we should avoid adding too many swords now, and instead focus on the other weapon classes, bombers particulary(they still seem pretty pissed about having their only real hybrid removed, and for good reason, too: It's stunning how crippling overspecialized bombers are because of that). Guns could get some support here and there too, but it's just important that the focus drifts away from swords a bit. Adding more swords would just seem counterproductive to me, and while the relative number(in percent) of sword-projectile-charges would lower, the absolute number(in actual number of swords) would stay the same. In other words: We want swords to be less of a total jack-of-all trades, at least in comparison to other weapon classes. Adding even more swords doesn't help solving the problem.

... For me it remains as some sort of gun-substitute, even though the charge in and for itself blows so much it's barely worth using. It shoots bullets on the charge. Yes, you shouldn't use it, but it STILL has that ranged attack. If you need to rely on a ranged attack, you can use the Fasut if you can deal with the consequences(which are, as far as I know, not instant damage, but rather a self-curse, which can be equally as bad at times, but at other times, you can wait for the curse to end and you basically got that shot without real penalty). If a sword has some sort of way to bypass it's otherwise short range with an attack that hits pretty fast even on distance(dunno how to phrase it better), it still kinda has some sort of gun-like feel to it. And the Gran faust, penalty or not, has this option.
And even if the charge attack is not worth using, why have it be a ranged one either way? I mean, why not if we change the avenger's charge, change the Fausts too to make them mirror each other a bit again. Not that it would matter. Noone would be using the charge either way. If someone would be using it, it would just prove my point that Faust can be used as gun-substitute, albeit an immensly and idioticly impractical one.

I think I finally got what my definition of gun really is: Doing damage while bridging quite a distance in a small amount of time... yeah, I think that fits perfectly for my definition. The Faust has it(and again, i can't say it often enough, it's impractical, I get it. It's still there), and the rocket hammer has it in a less conventional manner: You can do damage quite a distance away from you, but not because of a bullet, but because you almost teleport(that sure is some pretty high dash-tempo) right into your enemys face. As i said, you are free to call it gun-like or not, but I would call it a semi-example, fitting the long-range role without use of bullets.

So yeah, hammer is debatable and I'd be perfectly fine with calling it no-ranged, but faust stays on my list.

I stay with my opinion to the Faust-line. I was listing every gun that can bypass range with damage, and the Faust just has it. There's just no other excuse. it can, in theory, bypass a swords pitiful range with a projectile and thus damage enemys over long gaps and distances. It's undesirable to use, yeah, I get it. However, it's STILL a ranged charge-attack, and can be, depending on the scenario, be used for long-ranged attacks if you lack a gun. You can bridge long distances with the charge attack. And that's the thing what seems important to me.

You can't deny that for all its impracticability, it still shoots the sword out of the sword(insert some random "Yo dawg"-meme here). It still can shoot. You can, in desperate moments, accept the drawback and snipe that enemy from the distance. It's no full gun substitute in any way, yet it can still bridge the distance.
And even if you still say the Faust does not count as ranged, what difference it can make if it gets a change anyway? If it's not being used, noone should care for the Faust-charge to change. In fact, we could change it into a charge that may actually even be useful, making the curse-drawback reasonable.

Even though it's rarely used, for good reason, you can still use it in VERY specific situations. Therefore, I'll just count it as ranged charge-attack, because that's what it is. No gun-substitute, and still a ranged attack.

Hope it doesn't come over unfriendly to you.