Spiral Knights - How Lockdown (edit* may or may not be) Destroying Spiral Knights

How Lockdown (edit* may or may not be) Destroying Spiral Knights

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Fri, 11/02/2012 - 18:45

#51

Spold

I'm not really a Lockdown fan

I'm not really a Lockdown fan either, I just play it when there's nothing else to do.

Fri, 11/02/2012 - 19:15

#52

Mayaura

The Screwtape Dialogs

(In the early days of the game)

Devilite OverLord (DO): Blast these Spiral Knights! Their arrival here has ruined everything.

Devilite Department Head (DDH): Yes, they are causing a considerable disruption to our progress. Their willingness to cooperate and join together wile launching forays into our offices is distressing.

DO: We need to create some kind of diversion that will put a stop to this ASAP. Something that will create mayhem within the enemy camp.

DDH: I’ll form a committee to get right on it, Sir.

(About a month later)

DDH: With the help of the Gremlins and that devious Seerus, we think we’ve come up with something.

DO: Ah, Seerus, Good chap, always love his Halloween parties.

DDH: Yes, well, they’ve created a nice blueprint for a bombing game that pits knights against one another.

DO: Sounds promising, Go on.

DDH: We’ll give them a stadium where they can run around a little maze and blow one another up in lieu of actually fighting side by side against us. As a bonus, they won’t be gathering any minerals, crowns, or energy either.

DO: Yes, I like it. Eh, you don’t suppose you could build some seats for us to actually watch them do it, could you? Heh heh heh…

DDH: I’ll see what I can do.

(Sometime after the Blast Network has been set up)

DO: Well, let’s hear your report on the bombing mini-game.

DDH: Hmm, it’s not having quite the effect we hoped for. Not many of them are playing it. Seem it’s a little to, well, comical, and doesn’t quite satisfy their blood thirst that a good sword thrust provides.

DO: Well, then we need to give them a game that allows them to kill each other more directly, something that will stir up enmity and hard feelings within their own ranks and create a toxic environment that will drive them out of the clockworks and hopefully off the world forever.

DDH: Hmm, there is a childhood game of theirs that we could corrupt. It’s not violent, but it is competitive and we could add the visceral excitement of stabbing and shooting and bombing one another.

DO: Fine, and be sure to give them some stats they can measure to spark their competitiveness and dampen cooperation. Oh, and create some kind of leaderboard or something that will feed their egos, hee hee hee.

DDH: Very good, Sir. We’ll get right on it.

(Sometime after Lockdown was added to the game)

DO: Well, how’s that new mini-game been working? I’ve noticed a considerable reduction in their assaults on our daily operations. And our Dark Cities are practically enemy-free.

DDH: Oh, yes, Sir (cackles gleefully). This new diversion we’ve created has far exceeded our expectations in terms of the negative affect it is having on the attitude and behavior of knights toward one another.

DO: Wonderful. Tell me more.

DHH: Well, they’ve almost completely abandoned weapons that are designed to be used against us, and instead have begun to focus on unbalanced speed and spam weapons to use against one another?

DO: Unbalanced you say?

DDH: Oh, yes. We thought we create some imbalances in the game to further frustrate and enrage them. Ah, the sweet aroma of rage-quits wafts sweetly thru the arena air.

DO: Excellent, excellent. That Krogmo fellow has set up quite a shrewd reward system as well.

DDH: Oh, yes, and the leaderboards have created quite the obsession among some of them. Their arrogance and callousness towards one another has reached all-time highs!

DO: Ha, ha, ha. Soon we won’t be the only fiends living on this world.

Fri, 11/02/2012 - 23:43

#53

Etendue

Oh, come on.

This thread seems like a personal crusade against Lockdown, and those who enjoy playing Lockdown. You're posting intentionally inflammatory material in a thread designed to attract and provoke Lockdown-inclined players. Like it or not, Lockdown is a significant part of Spiral Knights. Without it, many end-game level players would have quit ages ago. It offers an opportunity to pit players against each other, offering the kind of challenge that whacking monsters could never provide.

Personally, I'm not even sure why this kind of attack thread is even on this board. It certainly won't facilitate the removal of Lockdown. You'd have an easier time trying to remove Greavers. Competitive environments often bring competitive attitudes in players, and that is to be expected. You'd see similar spirits at any sporting event. The only way the kind of people you hate so much will be removed from Spiral Knights is if a competitive element is removed altogether. Unfortunately, that's not how a successful game is created, particularly one which offers to sell in-game currency as a shortcut to better gear.

Altogether, I find this thread irresponsibly aggressive and ludicrously out of place. It doesn't serve a particular purpose, and seems filled with hate and angst. As for all those people who annoy you ingame, feel free to ignore them. I'll volunteer to be ignored, if that strikes your fancy.

Yes, I am infuriated by this thread.

Fri, 11/02/2012 - 23:51

#54

Etendue

Also, I've found that most of

Also, I've found that most of the highly aggressive people in Lockdown are teenagers. If you're going to play with minors, expect them to be volatile and irrational. Most males aren't emotionally mature until their early 20s, which is at the high end of SK's user demographic. Try Lord of The Rings Online, find a good kinship, get married in game and have virtual children. I was kidding about the last part, but there are other games out there with more mature communities.

Tue, 10/01/2013 - 05:30

#55

Pawsmack

@EtenDue

GJ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ._.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:44

#56

Akvar

I agree with both the OP and Etendue

I agree that the arrogant gloating is obnoxious but I also agree that any competitive game will cause it to surface. My main issue with it right now is that it is unwarranted because of the imbalances of LD and only brings about a false sense of e-peen. If LD were set so that AT, trinkets, and UV's were not allowed the game would be all skill based and the gloating then would be totally justified. Not only that but too many people seem to think that damage is all matters in LD. I can't count how many times I have seen someone get high damage, while the rest of the team falls short in that category, then tell their team how they are a bunch of noobs and belittle them despite many of them getting the caps that provided the win.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 13:11

#57

Zeddy

Lockdown? Lockdown at least encourages teamwork.

If you want to bring out the scumbag in people, try Monopoly.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 16:33

#58

Darkbrady

Lockdown at least encourages

Lockdown at least encourages teamwork.

Tell that to many of our "best" players with all the 20k damages. And 0 caps. Fact is that most of them get the high damage by walking away from crucial teamwork moments or game-progressing opportunities; they just rush straight for the damage.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 16:36

#59

Thunderbog

"If you want to bring out the scumbag in people, try Monopoly."

refer to powerful merchants on cradle

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 17:30

#60

Lil-Luna

...Um

I need to ask this...
What is the point of this thread? I don't see any reason why it should keep going...
All I can see is either butthurt, blockheads and senseless venting

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 18:10

#61

Bert-Banana

If there wasn't Lockdown in this game I probably wouldn't be here posting on this thread. Nuff said.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 21:36

#62

Frostyhawk

with some of the immaturity

with some of the immaturity in this thread, I'm so glad i don't play lockdown, as a player who never plays it, I've seen it spill into the haven and said immature players are some who tried trash talking myself and my guild (lol as if me not playing lockdown makes me a bad player, thats rich) players like those in lock down need to grow up and act civil but seeing as they're teenagers with napoleon syndrome i can't expect them to not be brats. oh and If you don't agree...

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 21:18

#63

Egoblaster

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Egoblaster like Mawashimono's Status

Egoblaster likes Frostyhawk's Comment: "with some of the immaturity in this thread, I'm so glad i don't play lockdown, as a player who never plays it, I've seen it spill into the haven and are some who tried trash talking myself and my guild (lol as if me not playing lockdown makes me a bad player, thats rich) players like those in lock down need to grow up and act civil but seeing as their teenagers with napoleon syndrome i can't expect them to not be brats."

Egoblaster likes Frostyhawk's Comment: "oh and If you don't agree..."

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 21:32

#64

Fashama

I don't understand why

I don't understand why everyone answers in this attention-seeking thread... This "phenomen" about rage is in every pvp game existent, for example the classic Counter-Strike game ("headshot lucker", "you hacker", "I know that you have a wallhack", ...). I don't think that this is something new... but of course it's always possible that some people missed something.

Thu, 09/26/2013 - 21:38

#65

Mayaura

From beyond the grave it cometh

I still don't play LD, but maybe it's not as bad as I implied. It was fun making the posts, though.

Fri, 09/27/2013 - 05:20

#66

President-Trump

Totally agreed, I can't agree more with you.
I personally love PvE, I run through arcade on a regular basis and that's where I get all my money from; not FSC but arcade. I do play LD and often encounter aggressive players who love to trash talk and fill the game with rage, mispelt F-words (to probably show how uneducated they are) and very silly insults that often make me look down on humanity entirely.

A simple exemplification will be the use AT (although people love calling it AA despite the fact that it means something completely different - antialiasing. They're too intelligent to notice that anyways). Once I got accused of using AT even though I wasn't. I'm a lag-zoned Aussie player who is supposed to take full advantage of AT since my ping to US servers are at least 100+ms. Once that kid (I assume, he can't even spell the N word right) accuses me of using AT their entire team just starts cracking down. Saying how much of a loser I am and I suk, i shud feel bad, i shuf f* myslf etc all that mispelt combination of illiteracy Gibberish filling the chat box - reading that crap is like deciphering some ancient Chinese codewords but not that enjoyful. I was initially going to /ignore that single player but I ended up /ignore-ing 5. This is just frustrating and annoying. I don't see that as a game, it's more like I killed someone's pet and they're ultra angry at me [somehow].

I currenyly own a guild that is pretty much PvP based and I've seen members, sometimes including myself trash talking in LD. I trash talk just to calm myself down. Making some jokes of retardation and picking on someone's spelling like a cactus - a prick I meant, is always fun. At least it never ended up with flaming each others, 2 parties of people throwing N-bombs and F-bombs.

I only stick to several players in PvE anyways, just like me - most of them don't like/hate lockdown due to similar reasons. Just find a PvE crew and forget about that chaotic niche of SK and enjoy the game. I love it!

Fri, 09/27/2013 - 05:27

#67

Khamsin

This thread is cancer. PvP is probably one of the few things keeping this game truly alive. The only sense of achievement in this game is defeating another player, since 000 has nerfed most of the challenge out of PvE.

Fri, 09/27/2013 - 05:56

#68

Writhes

I've spent my fair share of

I've spent my fair share of time playing lockdown. At least long enough to make an electron vortex, Voltedge, and Staggerstorm... Any sense of frustration I may have had toward other players vanished within my first hundred or so games.

After a while I just learned to accept all the different weapons and play styles people used and focused on bettering my own strategy. Most of the QQ and griping from others from my experience tend to come from immature players and newbies, but eventually even they will learn the futility of QQing (hopefully) because other players aren't going to stop using those hammers, polaris, alchemers, or whatever just because someone is having a panic attack while they are dead on the floor.

Note... Nice necro, Mawawshimono

Fri, 09/27/2013 - 06:48

#69

Warp-Master

@Khamsin

PvP is probably one of the few things keeping this game truly alive. The only sense of achievement in this game is defeating another player, since 000 has nerfed most of the challenge out of PvE.

If that's true, then this game is already dead. Lockdown is full of rage, idiocy, Napoleonic manchildren, and general scrubbiness. That's not what Spiral Knights should be about.

IMO the best solution would be to bring back Super Brawl (since 90% of Lockdown players seem to think they're playing Super Brawl with classes anyway) and restrict Lockdown to cobalt gear. Facerollers get to keep facerolling and Lockdown becomes playable for human beings.

Fri, 09/27/2013 - 06:51

#70

Dragneel-Wiki

If PvP is the thing that is holding SK together, then SK population is like 300 at most.

Fri, 09/27/2013 - 07:01

#71

Khamsin

"If PvP is the thing that is holding SK together, then SK population is like 300 at most."

A) Not everyone is on all the time.

B) Plenty of people are playing the game FOR lockdown but not actively playing Lockdown. I've only played like 30 games of Lockdown recently but most of my PvE time has been spent trying to acquire gear FOR lockdown. Most money have gone into Punch, gear crafts for PvP, etc.

Fri, 09/27/2013 - 10:23

#72

Krakob

I think the amount of LD enthusiasts around are far more than 300 but it's definitely not over 9000.

Mon, 09/30/2013 - 01:42

#73

Good-Spirit

The internet gives 0 accountability for anything said on it. It really breeds a negative atmosphere since there is no real threat of retribution or assumed mutual respect for your fellow man. Whenever I accidently engage in an arguement over the internet, the voice of one of my closest friends echoes in my ears.:

"Wait, you're argueing with someone on the internet? LOLOLOLOL"

That being said, holy crap why is there not an option to turn the chat off!
Not only does it help the random negativity grow, but it covers all of my teammates names and healthbars!!! Few people might not think that makes a difference, but I like seeing the current strength of the team. It helps when deciding what point to attack or defend.

Tue, 10/01/2013 - 09:32

#74

Draycos

Huh, I was excessively grumpy even a year ago.

Time flies.

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