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How Lockdown (edit* may or may not be) Destroying Spiral Knights

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Tue, 10/30/2012 - 03:33
Mayaura's picture
Mayaura

This is not a post about how imbalanced LD is, nor am I talking about the economic impact of LD on the game, although since it’s nearly free to play, I can’t see how it really helps the economy either except in the sense of wealthy players spending hundreds of dollars buying to crystal energy so that they can Punch craft multi-Max UV gear or buy such gear from other players.

This is more about how LD, and maybe most forms of PvP play, destroys the community itself.

Hours spent trying to kill other players creates a callous, arrogant, enraged attitude among the player base. Players who bathe themselves in this environment for hours on end each day emerge from Krogmo’s arena with a stench of vicious vindictiveness that overflows like a sewer in heavy storm and spills out into the rest of the game as a whole. Compound this with a voice chat that allows, and may even encourage, other players both individually and as guilds to belittle and deride other players in the coarsest foul language and sexually explicit terms, and you end up with truly horrific characters who both individually and in groups are warped into creatures who derive pleasure from antics that intentionally attempt to inflict emotional pain on other players, and who then can walk away afterwards feeling perfectly fine about themselves.

I mean, I know the internet often brings out the worst in people, but LD seems diabolically designed to do so. Bearing in mind that we have players as young as 13 (ahem, and often younger), OOO might want to reflect on how this is truly affecting their game since the players who spend the most time in LD seem utterly incapable of even the slightest introspection of their abhorrent behavior.

And that is How I think Lockdown Is Destroying Spiral Knights.

Tue, 10/30/2012 - 03:36
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Softhead's picture
Softhead
PvP.

That's what it does to ya.

I wonder if BN is the same.

Tue, 10/30/2012 - 05:11
#2
Draycos's picture
Draycos
Imagine if there was a quick

Imagine if there was a quick 1v1 option anywhere. Goodbye sensible people, hello elitist dirtbags.

PvP really does screw up communities if not put in check or made to be frustration-free; I play some Dragon Nest and spending more than a few rounds in it makes me pretty grumpy (unless I do well, which means my opponents are probably angry instead of me). The exact same feeling applies to Lockdown in this game; after a few rounds, if someone trash talks you or frustrates you in general there's little you can be satisfied by besides beating their virtual face in. Even worse if an argument over who is superior breaks out, which usually ends in some stupid simulated 1v1...

Tue, 10/30/2012 - 07:22
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Shovelheadmcgee
Stuffs

+1

I see this a lot, trash talking in LD then overflowing to haven and beyond.

Tue, 10/30/2012 - 07:45
#4
Darkbrady's picture
Darkbrady
See, there's a flaw in your

See, there's a flaw in your thoughts: people are like that anyway.

S'why people like LD. It's not creating an atmosphere that wouldn't already be there. Fact is, it just lets people blow off steam by actually runnin' around killin' people, rather than just goin' around hatin' on everyone and causing actual problems in the game.

Besides, the people that really get too serious about it are easy to ignore, becasue you know that when you're done w/ LD you'll not talk to them again. Make sure you friend up the people who are actually fun to LD with and keep in contact w/ them; that way LD just feels full of people that get along with you.

Game'd be no different w/o LD except we'd have a lot more trolls and hooligans runnin' the streets of Haven just waitin' for an opportunity to stab someone.

Tue, 10/30/2012 - 08:17
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Doctorspacebar
I don't see it a lot...

Is this GvG we're talking about? Maybe I just have a thick skin when it comes to online games, having once played RuneScape. Believe me, there's worse than Spiral Knights... (shudder)

The whole problem with Lockdown is, elitist jerks take it VERY seriously. Even the game's own storyline doesn't do that- look at the ridiculous King-Dedede-esque NPC in charge of it! The elitist jerks who take it seriously act like, well, elitist jerks, which is frustrating for the people that just want to have fun and get the Krogmo Coins they need for that really cool Electron Vortex. My advice to LD players (and game players in general) is not to take it so seriously, it's not life or death! (Unless people are betting millions of dollars on matches, but who'd be that nuts...) The most satisfying approach to Lockdown is to take it like a game of Mario Kart with a friend or sibling; win or lose, Mario Kart is fun, unless you care too much about winning.

Anyway, there's always the ignore button; you can quickly type their name in the box after or before the game, or while you're waiting to respawn. And if there's just too many jerks, T1 Lockdown might be better (there's no Flourish or Polaris, either, which is a plus in my book) and T2 never really had much elitism. If someone's being mean in a game (no matter what game it is), my advice is to consider the source. If someone is so insecure that they resort to being a jerk in a game, I doubt their words have much wisdom behind them.

Tue, 10/30/2012 - 08:23
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Draycos's picture
Draycos
It's true that some people

It's true that some people are always like that, but I believe competitive PvP amps it and sometimes makes it surface in calmer individuals. I don't think it's one or the other, if that's what it seemed like.

Tue, 10/30/2012 - 08:38
#7
Doctorspacebar's picture
Doctorspacebar
True.

It is the internet AND a competition after all. Even people who aren't usually jerks say things they regret sometimes.

Tue, 10/30/2012 - 09:18
#8
Canozo's picture
Canozo
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But if you remove lockdown, it will destroy Spiral Knights.

Tue, 10/30/2012 - 10:52
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Rangerwillx
Lockdown

What Cano said.
As someone who plays LD quite a bit, I can say that I've gotten past the point of raging, though I may not be past the point of saying 'lag' if I actually am lagging pretty badly :P
Lockdown, is great fun if you have a good set. If you're a 4* salamander with no trinkets and a ascended calibur, then the chances are very slim that that person will enjoy it. I wish there were two modes of LD, the kind where of everyone has a standard set with no UVS, and the kind we have now.
But, knowing OOO, they won't do this, so I guess the most I can hope for in a one on one mode where people can settle their arguments there.
And as Doctorspacebar said, even though I'm not a jerk (I hope at least..), every once in a while something floats out of my keyboard which I know I will regret later.

Tue, 10/30/2012 - 09:32
#10
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Canozo
Like ranger said

Also, as I posted on an old suggestion thread I made:

Ranked lockdown and Casual Lockdown.

Add Ranked and Casual lockdown, what would be ranked and casual? Well, I think that a big part of the SK community complain about the lots of people that have Very high and max UVs on their gear, so for public lockdown matches, I think that there should be Ranked Lockdown (Where UVs make effect) and Casual Lockdown (UVs wont make any effect), Each mode will have its own leaderboards.

Tue, 10/30/2012 - 10:50
#11
Shovelheadmcgee's picture
Shovelheadmcgee
Stuffs

@Canozo Sugestion for the "casual" lockdown no trinkets either

Tue, 10/30/2012 - 10:55
#12
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Windsickle
Personally, I find the

Personally, I find the Clockworks more frustrating than the Coliseum for I know that I'm hardly losing anything (200 Crowns - whatever) when I lag out and die in the Coliseum, whereas, when I lag out and die in the Clockworks, I lose Energy.

As for this "Ranked/Casual" idea, as long as it doesn't further extend match wait times...

Tue, 10/30/2012 - 12:25
#13
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Nottheanswer
~

I would like to respectfully disagree. As an avid T2 LD player (it's basically all I do on SK), we're not all like that.

I also agree with Darkbrady, in that I feel your causality is backwards. Rather than LD's toxic atmosphere causing people to be jerks, I feel that people who are jerks create a toxic atmosphere in LD. I think the removal of chat between teams would be helpful (the article here references the difference made by defaulting all-chat to off in League of Legends, a game notorious for it's negative community).

Tue, 10/30/2012 - 15:29
#14
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Goofio

Here's two things you can do:

1. Disable voice chat.
2. Use /ignore.

I never play with voice chat enabled in any video game, because I find it annoying in general. I'll use /ignore if people keep blathering about AA or Polaris spam or something. I rarely have to ignore people, because I've rarely encountered the stuff mentioned by the OP.

Tue, 10/30/2012 - 16:02
#15
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Thenewteddy
I was going to ignore this

I was going to ignore this thread until I saw this
http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/67489
As someone who has had entire LD games where I've tried to Cap even once, and never made it cause I died, I'm going to actually agree with this thread.

...no I have not read this thread, but seeing the kind of attack in the one I've linked to makes me want to support it whatever it says.

Tue, 10/30/2012 - 17:07
#16
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Dr-Storm
I'm usually in T2

I'm usually in T2 lockdown...and I've made many friends with the people that I've kill :P ...just play to have fun and you'll have fun :P
I see more jerks in clockwork than in LD actually...There's one time when I'm random partying with this random fella and we're both died, this fella ask me to revive bothe me and he/her and right after the revive, he/she runaway...D:

Tue, 10/30/2012 - 17:18
#17
Mayaura's picture
Mayaura
@ Nottheanswer

Thank you for that article on toxic behavior.

Tue, 10/30/2012 - 20:28
#18
Blueberrymuffin's picture
Blueberrymuffin
Breaking News!

Little known fact: Spiral Knights has an IGNORE feature. Mawashimono, Drama will always be the biggest part of PvP, don't like it? go play Minecraft with your cat(s). <3 :D

2 clicks of the mouse is all it take's to ignore someone and save you countless minutes/hours creating a thread that contradicts itself. <3 :D

Tue, 10/30/2012 - 21:17
#19
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Severage
...

I agree to some extent...

In fact, I myself have been victim to my own pride. Not on SK because I don't PvP often...but in other games. It's easy for me to get over-competitive, even though usually I'm pretty laid back about things.

Competitive situations, particularly ones where you are outmatched, are agitating and often result in irrational behavior, in my experience. But this really isn't avoidable. Drama is a pandemic where I come from. People reflect what they are exposed to. These situations just help surface animosity from players and boost the egos of already egotistical players.

On the other hand, competitiveness is also an engine that drives people forward, to achieve more and get better. In economic terms, to buy more gear and sink more crowns into LD. So, while the emotions of players are unfortunate (and, by the way, are easily ignored by a level-headed individual), it is not destroying Spiral Knights as a whole.

.......Yeah I'm not sure what I'm doing outside the Suggestions forum.

~Sev

Tue, 10/30/2012 - 21:18
#20
Mayaura's picture
Mayaura
@ Blueberrymuffin

I really wasn't talking about me or my Ld experiences specifically since I stopped playing LD shortly after it became part of the game due to the reasons listed above. And, yes, I have several players on ignore whom I have found to be "unpleasant" towards me. My concern was more for how it affects the overall mood and tone of the game, especially wihtin guilds, creating a toxic environment that really undermines the kind of supportive, friendly, safe, and enjoyable game I think we'd all like to have. For example, maybe you wouldn't have posted a message that despite being quite brief was both sarcastic and insulting - the kind of reflexive go-to move that makes forums worse rather than better. And little hearts and smiley faces don't change that. Perhaps removing the ability to chat at all while playing LD as League of Legends did would help, but the whole PvP thing still tends to create a hostile and calloused attitude towards one another's feelings.

Tue, 10/30/2012 - 21:27
#21
Brettu
sorry to burst anyones bubble....

simple answer is there is no fixing it >_>

Tue, 10/30/2012 - 21:45
#22
Blueberrymuffin's picture
Blueberrymuffin
Well then I'm sure your

Well then I'm sure your cat(s) would love to hear all about your feelings :).

Tue, 10/30/2012 - 22:14
#23
Darkbrady's picture
Darkbrady
@Mawashimono: If you're

@Mawashimono:

If you're gettin' wound up by people within guilds and your social circles being "toxic" from LD then I gotta say you're hangin' around the wrong people for you. My guild does GvG (here and there) and we have a number of top LD players; we all PvP fairly regularly but I never see any of this toxic atmosphere, either within or towards myself or my guild.

Some people will take things to seriously. If it's not PvP, it'll be UVs, or challenge runs or trolling noobs in the CW; it'll be somethin' they'll go off on. Some people will just fixate on somethin' and take it too seriously. The trick isn't to just ignore it, as you can do that whenever if you feel it gets bad. What to do is just associate yourself with the people who arenae like that. Add people you have fun with, talk to people who aren't annoyin' you mid-match. Soon enough you'll know a number of them and have fun with it and the people who annoy you...well, they just fade away.

Fun>annoying things. Every time.

Wed, 10/31/2012 - 17:29
#24
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Fodow
Are You Kidding Me? >.<

First of all, do you know how many players only play for LD? I can think of atleast 10 guilds that play for lockdown purposes only, all consisting of about 90~100 members. I'd say maybe a third of the SK population would be gone if OOO took lockdown from the game.

Secondly, I made basically all my friends playing LD (250), constantly removing inactives and adding new ones. LD is a fun way to meet others, as it's a mutual interest for many. If someone's new to the game, this is a great way for them to meet new friends, people to help guide them.

Think LD's bad? 1. You're saying the wrong things to the wrong people. 2. You seem to enjoy being trashed and don't have the sense to report or ignore. 3. Mm, NO chat, "as in League of Legends?" Man if you don't like the ability to express feelings, emotions, and to have the ability to communicate with others (*cough* this guy clearly doesn't have many friends) go ahead and play League Of Legends, as you think that it's such a great idea ;] 4. Making people vicious? LOL you realize the only difference between PvE and PvP is that you're hitting a different target, right?

-Blueberrymuffin +1! <3

~Fodow - LD Lover. PEACE!

Wed, 10/31/2012 - 14:05
#25
Yirumi's picture
Yirumi
Although you find one or 2 trolls.. like moi

It's not a problem if you have fun playing :)

Wed, 10/31/2012 - 16:49
#26
Spookington's picture
Spookington
I have competition in my blood!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28BXqQWqYJU

What a fun movie. I love Daniel Day-Lewis.

Since I have nothing more to say, this is what would have happened if they cast Daniel Day-Lewis as Darth Vader:

http://www.collegehumor.com/video/3331259/there-will-be-vader

(skip to 2 minutes and 43 seconds for the light sabers, it starts off kinda slow)

Wed, 10/31/2012 - 19:03
#27
Oroseira's picture
Oroseira
@Fodow

Dear Fodow, I...

Sincerely, Phantomhamachi
P.S. IDC if another guild gives me ire.

Wed, 10/31/2012 - 18:59
#28
Darkbrady's picture
Darkbrady
@Fodow: Ignoring your

@Fodow:
Ignoring your attitude, I actually agree with most of what you're saying, however

" LOL you realize the only difference between PvE and PvP is that you're hitting a different target, right?"

Do you have any idea how many flavours of stupid that statement is?

Wed, 10/31/2012 - 20:59
#29
Mayaura's picture
Mayaura
@ Darkbrady HAHAHA

"how many flavours of stupid" - heh heh, i gotta use that line

Thu, 11/01/2012 - 01:27
#30
Xxpapaya's picture
Xxpapaya
The papaya disagrees

Well, stuff like PvP and PvE are everywhere in video games (most of them anyways). Its just that a lot of people wanna compare themselves with others to see who's better, but some people take it waaay too seriously. Personally I don't really care if someone says I suck at lockdown, cause I do :P I couldn't hit air if i tried.............Although some people take the insults a bit too seriously as well. Usually I don't fight at all in Lockdown XD I just sit in the middle of the battle field, telling people to ignore me. Although some people don't seem to understand english and constantly kill me...................Oh well =)

Thu, 11/01/2012 - 05:21
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Fodow's picture
Fodow
Flavours of stupid?

Mm how is that stupid when it is correct?

PvE = hitting monsters.
PvP = hitting players.
It says it in the NAME >.> pay attention.

~Fodow

Thu, 11/01/2012 - 05:26
#32
Thunderbog's picture
Thunderbog

Lockdown was never one part of fun...

Thu, 11/01/2012 - 06:21
#33
Radarblue's picture
Radarblue
Probably related:

http://penny-arcade.com/report/editorial-article/we-play-alone-together-...

Thu, 11/01/2012 - 09:20
#34
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Knight-Solaire
Praise the sun!

@Darkbrandy

I'll go with a Baskin Robbins estimate of 31.

@Fodow

Let's start with a simple one, mob AI patterns =/= human patterns. Once you've got that down we can move on to the more complicated ones.

Thu, 11/01/2012 - 09:31
#35
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Aus-Lagger
Look here brotatoes. You know

Look here brotatoes. You know what really ticks me off is the overly passive-aggressive nature of the players in LD and even morseo; the constant use of emoticons and such that follow these comments. I'd rather players not say anything at all on all-speak because that is usually the root of all this toxic behaviour wherein the trash talk is. FYI one of the most toxic LD players is in this thread; he’s the angriest man you’ll ever meet. He’s like a man with a fork in a world of soup.

But it is to be expected as the demographic of this game comprises a lot of volatile kids, teens and young men. You can only partially remedy it by making the game entirely PvE.

As PVP is considered endgame for most MMORPG's. Up until that point of playing the game, all i can say is there will be no more barriers to cross. All we have in common with the uncontrollable and the insane, the vicious and the evil, all the mayhem we have caused and our utter indifference toward it we have now surpassed. The pain will be constant and sharp, and you will not hope for a better cradle for anyone. In fact, you will want your pain to be inflicted on others. You will want no one to escape. But even after admitting that, there will be no catharsis; your punishment continues to elude you, and you will gain no deeper knowledge of thyself. No new knowledge can be extracted from your telling. Your confession will have meant nothing.

Thu, 11/01/2012 - 09:33
#36
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Spaghetti-Knight
@Radarblue

The article makes sense, developers should invest more on single player, since the multiplayer on many games are pretty much/will be soon-to-be dead and only hurts their product.

But spiral knights is a MMO, honestly it doesn't make much sense having no PvP, but then again, with one like this, it might as well have none.

...
As for OP, MMO communities tend to degrade along time, either they lose their popularity and get abandoned or get infested with BRs and RUs. You can't really blame lockdown because of such thing. Well you can, sort of, since it can bring the worst of people, specially if it's pretty bad.

Thu, 11/01/2012 - 14:42
#37
Fodow's picture
Fodow
Yay I'm one of the most TOXIC LD players guys

'Sup guys, imma do what you guys all think is "toxicating the SK community" now.

>:D :D :O D: D= =D >=D >:( >:) :) =) =D OwO XD xD xd Xd X_X ._. -.-

I'm the angriest man (I'm 13) you'll ever meet! I make emoticons when I die in LD and make more when I kill. You better watch out, my emoticons will ruin your gameplay!

~Fodow - "One of the most toxic players"

Thu, 11/01/2012 - 15:20
#38
Mayaura's picture
Mayaura
@ Stevejonesone

I really like your writing style. That whole last paragraph is great. I'm still digesting your "He’s like a man with a fork in a world of soup" comment, lol.

Thu, 11/01/2012 - 16:55
#39
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Generic-Bush

All of what you said is true, But what is really hitting the economy is no one is doing runs anymore. They are playing Lockdown instead.

Thu, 11/01/2012 - 17:17
#40
Zaderules's picture
Zaderules

Did someone say....Toxic? :D

P.S. Don't click on it if you are.... severely underaged.

Thu, 11/01/2012 - 17:42
#41
Megatech's picture
Megatech
Did someone say...trash

Did someone say...trash talking? :D

Thu, 11/01/2012 - 18:48
#42
Lightyourfire's picture
Lightyourfire

Thank you, Mawa, I'm glad that I'm not the only one who thinks this way. I've found that there is something we can do to slow down how this is affecting the game, we need to spread peace and joy and carelessness and humor to all of us around us.

I'm serious, this works. You can literally get people to be your followers by doing this, I've actually gotten a whole lockdown game to dash around with no weapons in whatever gear they feel like by just starting by myself.

Thu, 11/01/2012 - 23:38
#43
Shidara's picture
Shidara
I wouldn't say PvP is a bad

I wouldn't say PvP is a bad thing; it keeps players that have gone through the rest of the content playing. If you remove PvP, you'll only end up hurting the game. Sure, PvP isn't everything, but eventually there comes a meta-game, and the meta-game will dominate until further content is released.

Yes, there are some rather unpleasant individuals in the competitive spectrum of games and Spiral Knights is no exception however, does that mean that the majority of PvPers are just as bad as this specific category? Not at all. I have met many pleasant individuals over Lockdown and Blast Network alike, and some of them have become lasting friends. Also note that some people, though pleasant otherwise change personality when they become competitive. I would fall into this category, and I will admit that I can get pretty pathetic when I lose my cool. Does that make me a bad person, though? I have had episodes where I've crossed the line before, and it's mostly on impulse but I am more than willing to make an apology if any offense was found, heck, someone actually did take it up with me outside of the Coliseum at some point and that is something I can really appreciate.

Undoubtly you've come across the worst of the sort, but I'd advise you not to tar all of us with the same brush. The best way to cool off is just to log out and do something else, and stay away from those who continue to be unpleasant.

Fri, 11/02/2012 - 05:59
#44
Mayaura's picture
Mayaura
@ Shidara

Yes, I think we've all said or done things we regretted and hopefully took the time to apologize for. And Spiral Knights isn't the only PvP game that struggles with this. It just seems like the more time people spend playing LD, the more ego-centric and hardened they get in general, casting a grimy cloud of vindictive pettiness over the Haven which drops it's acid rain on all of us whether we play LD or not.

Fri, 11/02/2012 - 00:50
#45
Darkbrady's picture
Darkbrady
Mm how is that stupid when it

Mm how is that stupid when it is correct?

Ahahahahaha! I'm tempted to ask the very same question about that line alone much less anything else. Good god Fodow you just made my morning!

@Mawashimono:

I believe I said it earlier, but I'd like to repeat myself; you're clearly not spending time with personality-compatible players if you're getting so wound up by such a large chunk of the LD population you seem to spend time with. I play LD a lot; I'm on/near the leaderboards virtually every week and have more krogmos than I know what to do with, but I feel I'm not ego-centric and hardened to the point of being vindictive or petty about/in LD. Maybe it's because most of my loadouts are full/semi support and focus on me having fun (being a nuisance to others) rather than aiming for record scores, but maybe it's also because I could really care less about such competitiveness and see it just as a game to have fun with. Even when I reach top scores all I do is have take a wee screeny and decide which loadout to use in the next match.

And similarly, everyone from LD I have friended is someone I get along with. I meet them in LD and team or not, whether they kick my ass or not, we get along, have a laugh. That starts to spread to the people around us, too. And anyone who's still just whining and crying...well, I just don't read every line of chat and care about it for longer than it takes to pull my eyes back to my pixels~

Sometimes if the atmosphere around you is that bad, it's time to go for a change in one.

Fri, 11/02/2012 - 05:29
#46
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Wuvvums
You know, apparently the

You know, apparently the toxicity of some of the PVP players was what justified Blizzard to make a language barrier between Alliance and Horde. I'm not sure if it's feasible, but I do wonder if for the duration of lockdown and waiting after the game they can simply cut off communication?

Also Blast Network doesn't get it as bad but they too have a few bad eggs. I've seen a guy get banned across 3 accounts because he couldn't stop swearing, name-calling and griefing. I've also seen some just talk down their team mates for playing badly. I remember lecturing one of them and pointing out that this game is for everyone, not just newbs, but I tried to apologize later for lecturing and making him look bad in front of the other players. He was like "Don't whisper me!" and got real pissy about it.

There are just players in BN and LD who even if you're at your nicest they won't get along with you and they'll hate you. Which is very strange, but I guess PVP attracts some of those types.

Fri, 11/02/2012 - 11:51
#47
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Burntsouls
Huh?

I'm not going to write walls of text, but stop blaming lockdown. It's something a reason for playing this game for someones, something a little content for someones, and something completely unplayable, useless and a problem for someones. Besides that, playing this game would get boring, repetitive and more aimless without PvP.

Fri, 11/02/2012 - 13:12
#48
Fourtarkus's picture
Fourtarkus
More GG, Less QQ

Instead of venting, I'm starting another thread, looking for a solution: http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/67676

Fri, 11/02/2012 - 13:52
#49
Wodanct's picture
Wodanct

I've played my fair share of LD when I was bored with the main part of SK. It is rather fun if you play with your own style then trying to use the same gear that everyone else uses. Though I do see where you are coming from. I've never seen so much raging or whining from players in-game until I've played Lockdown. What makes it even worse is some of these players continue to fight in Haven even when not in matches. I've even found myself putting some players on my ignore list due to their terrible attitudes when I first started to play LD with serious gear. (Thanks to Glowing-Ember for giving me some Lockdown gear, it is still a shame that she quit)

I wouldn't mind it if players in LD couldn't talk at all. I think it would even help improve some peoples games. It is rather sad to see a big name player bashing a person who is new or trying to learn LD over actually acting mature and trying to help. Lockdown helps those that are bored or just want to throw their money away for max UVs that don't really help that much. Also I can see why you believe it gives a toxic setting to this game and I would have to agree with you.

There is nothing wrong with Lockdown - just some of the people playing it.

Fri, 11/02/2012 - 14:01
#50
Red-Satan
It would actually be the

It would actually be the best, if in Lockdown, you couldnt talk.

Besides, people on internet are like that you cant change them...

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